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[Robert Cousland]

By now it should be fairly obvious, if not outright confirmed by Bioware, that the Architect was in fact an ancient Magister like Corypheus. My question then is, could the Architect, being the same type of being as Corpypheus, and if you chose to kill him, resurrect in the body of a Darkspawn or Grey Warden in the same manner as Cory?

[Andrew Waples]

I'm sure, as there was a blighted dwarf with him. At least she appeared to be a blighted dwarf.

[Rhidor]

Utha died when you attacked him. It's much more likely he took over Seranni.

[King Cousland]

Utha died when you attacked him. It's much more likely he took over Seranni.

 

I don't think it matters whether the vessel for a Magister is living or dead, just as long as they have the Taint. When Corypheus died in the Arbor Wilds, he possessed a Grey Warden's corpse rather than a living body. However, I have to agree Seranni is the more likely candidate - what would be the point of her mysterious disappearance if BioWare hadn't planned to resurrect The Architect?

[ModernAcademic]

There's no evidence of him being a Magister. The only thing we know for sure is that he's an Emissary that looks pretty much like any other.

In Awakening, however, they dressed him up all fancy and gave him human traits.

[xPez]

Right, so based on Awakening he is likely to be a Magister, seeing as he shares a lot of traits with Corypheus and there are codex entries that suggest there are a number of talking darkspawn kings (magisters) out there.

[King Cousland]

There's no evidence of him being a Magister. The only thing we know for sure is that he's an Emissary that looks pretty much like any other.

In Awakening, however, they dressed him up all fancy and gave him human traits.

 

David Gaider confirmed that The Architect "is the same type of character as Corypheus, absolutely." He certainly doesn't look or act like "any other" Emissary and, fascinatingly, there are others out there like The Architect and Corypheus:

 

"Reminds me of a story my grandsire used to tell, about something his grandsire did. Said he once came upon a group of three darkspawn in the Deeper Roads, each twice the size of any dwarf—bigger than humans, even—and dressed up like kings. He watched from the shadows and said they talked, like people, about things he couldn't understand. A city gone black, and they blamed each other for things but could barely remember for what. My mam was like that: never remembered the slight, just that she was angry. Story goes they attacked each other, and one ran off while the second choked the third to death and then ate him." - Codex entry: A Different Darkspawn?

 

I would be amazed at this point if it was revealed The Architect wasn't a Magister. 

[In Exile]

Utha died when you attacked him. It's much more likely he took over Seranni.

The meatsuit Corypheus put on at the temple of Mythal was also dead.

[Bad King]

Yeah, if he's one of the original magisters (which seems to be the direction that BioWare are taking him in now) then he can probably resurrect himself the way Corypheus does. I'm rather disappointed by this direction - the Architect was more interesting to me when he was a mysteriously awakened darkspawn with a rather alien sense of morality that he had constructed in seclusion.

[In Exile]

Yeah, if he's one of the original magisters (which seems to be the direction that BioWare are taking him in now) then he can probably resurrect himself the way Corypheus does. I'm rather disappointed by this direction - the Architect was more interesting to me when he was a mysteriously awakened darkspawn with a rather alien sense of morality that he had constructed in seclusion.

He doesn't have an alien moral code. I don't get why people think that about him. He's just a racial supremacist who's really blatant in his lying.

[Undead Han]

Yeah, if he's one of the original magisters (which seems to be the direction that BioWare are taking him in now) then he can probably resurrect himself the way Corypheus does. I'm rather disappointed by this direction - the Architect was more interesting to me when he was a mysteriously awakened darkspawn with a rather alien sense of morality that he had constructed in seclusion.

 

The interesting thing about the Architect is that unlike Corypheus, he seemed not to remember a time before being a darkspawn. Perhaps that was a side effect of having been slain and respawning? His awakening could have just been him coming back to life.

[Shahadem]

By now it should be fairly obvious, if not outright confirmed by Bioware, that the Architect was in fact an ancient Magister like Corypheus. My question then is, could the Architect, being the same type of being as Corpypheus, and if you chose to kill him, resurrect in the body of a Darkspawn or Grey Warden in the same manner as Cory?

 

No. That resurrection thing was something that Cory did to himself. Actually it is more likely that Cory is not Cory. If you remember your DA:O lore, during the First Blight they had no idea how to actually kill an Archdemon, as its soul kept popping into other Darkspawn. We assumed that this was actually the First Archdemon during the first Blight. But what if there was more than one? Then one of those Archdemons could have popped into Cory's body since Cory was also a Darkspawn. Thus Cory is now actually an Archdemon which is how he is able to pop into different darkspawn when he dies.

[Rocknife]

Utha died when you attacked him. It's much more likely he took over Seranni.

They cannot possess unwilling vessels unles they are already soulles like darkspawn. Seranni was not nearby when the Architect died so I don't think it's possible. Although, Cory possessed a dead Warden in Arbor Wilds so I'm sure Architect possessed Utha's dead body. That was why Utha was alwasy near him whenever the Warden was nearby as well, fearing the Warden could kill Architect.

 

About what Architect is. He is definitely something like Corypheus. But strangely, even Corypheus was captured and imprisoned by Wardens but Architect was free and for a very long time apparently. Perhaps never even captured in the first place. Remember what Riordan said in Arl Eamon's Estate in DAO when asked why there is such a long time between each blight. He said he wasn't surprised it took darkspawn to find the prisons of Old Gods for so long, he was surprised that they found them at all, without someone to lead them. In Awakening we learn that Architect started the Fifth Blight by trying to make Old God Urthemiel his disciple. That may mean it was him all along, who started blights.

 

Architect is cleary very intelligent. More intelligent than Corypheus, that much is obvious. Also, strangely, he had access to darkspawn magic without requiring red lyrium. Remember fighting him? He could make it rain fire upon you. He is cleary very powerful as well. This might be because he experimented with grey warden blood, taint and darkspawns. As Avernus said in DAO Solider's Peak, there is a great untapped power in the taint and the Architect seems to be well aware of that. He seems to know about the blight and secrets of the taint much better than anyone else. He could even raise his own army of darkspawns by awakening them. Even Corypheus couldn't control darkspawn directly or indirectly. Why is this so important? Because darkspawns are soulles tainted vessels and with their own army of darkspawns, they could be very hard to kill (like Archdemons) since they could just possess closest darkspawn even when their body gets destroyed. So, killing the Architect will be a lot trickier than killing Corypheus. Architect was also experimenting on dragons and taming them in Awakening and he also convinced some of the Grey Wardens to work for him so this makes me think that it was him who helped Corypheus break free of his prison. Remember Janeka/Larius? One of them had to be willing to be Cory's vessel for Cory to survive being killed by Hawke.

 

If Architect is so talented, so smart and knows so much about magic and blight then what is he? Why Corypheus was "the Conductor", the one who led others in Fade but not the Architect? My guess, the Architect was not an Ancient Tevinter Magister. But he was their Archon. Dumat whispered to the Tevinters and gave them the darkest secrets of blood magic and The Archon / The Architect , true to his title, built the ritual that would make trip to Fade possible in flesh. But since he was a bit too smart for going there himself, in flesh, he ordered his magisters to go and claim the Golden City. The City was not what magisters expected, they got tainted and came back to the world and spread the taint, starting from the Architect I guess.

[Rocknife]

I suspect they were willing. Good cop, bad cop. I wouldn't be surprised if they were working for the Architect from the beginning since Architect convinced some Grey Wardens to work for him before. If they were planning to release Cory from the beginning, they wouldn't just go around saying "Hey Hawke, we're planning to free this darkspawn looking evil ancient magister dude and we need your help to do so, come help us will ya?". And Hawke isn't really brilliant so he freed Cory of course, thinking killing Cory would be easy. Without Hawke, Flemeth couldn't survive her fight against the Warden and Corypheus couldn't be freed. Force-possessing a tainted vessel that already has a soul in their body destroys both souls. This was explained in DAO before the final battle. I can't remember that part when Hawke freed Corypheus so well since it has been years the last time I played and never desired to play DA2 again so I might be right, I might be wrong, I dunno. Just played DA2 for the lore.

[Bad King]

He doesn't have an alien moral code. I don't get why people think that about him. He's just a racial supremacist who's really blatant in his lying.

 

Did you read 'The Calling'? In that book he very clearly seems taken aback by some of the characters' horrified reactions to his actions and schemes as if they were completely acceptable from his point of view without realising that other moral codes might object.

[turuzzusapatuttu]

He doesn't have an alien moral code. I don't get why people think that about him. He's just a racial supremacist who's really blatant in his lying.

 

Read "The Calling".

 

If you already read it, then I've got news for you:

 

Spoiler

[leaguer of one]

He doesn't have an alien moral code. I don't get why people think that about him. He's just a racial supremacist who's really blatant in his lying.

No...That's an alien moral code. He would have to a a morality like our to even start to be a supremacist.

[leaguer of one]

They cannot possess unwilling vessels unles they are already soulles like darkspawn. Seranni was not nearby when the Architect died so I don't think it's possible. Although, Cory possessed a dead Warden in Arbor Wilds so I'm sure Architect possessed Utha's dead body. That was why Utha was alwasy near him whenever the Warden was nearby as well, fearing the Warden could kill Architect.

 

About what Architect is. He is definitely something like Corypheus. But strangely, even Corypheus was captured and imprisoned by Wardens but Architect was free and for a very long time apparently. Perhaps never even captured in the first place. Remember what Riordan said in Arl Eamon's Estate in DAO when asked why there is such a long time between each blight. He said he wasn't surprised it took darkspawn to find the prisons of Old Gods for so long, he was surprised that they found them at all, without someone to lead them. In Awakening we learn that Architect started the Fifth Blight by trying to make Old God Urthemiel his disciple. That may mean it was him all along, who started blights.

 

Architect is cleary very intelligent. More intelligent than Corypheus, that much is obvious. Also, strangely, he had access to darkspawn magic without requiring red lyrium. Remember fighting him? He could make it rain fire upon you. He is cleary very powerful as well. This might be because he experimented with grey warden blood, taint and darkspawns. As Avernus said in DAO Solider's Peak, there is a great untapped power in the taint and the Architect seems to be well aware of that. He seems to know about the blight and secrets of the taint much better than anyone else. He could even raise his own army of darkspawns by awakening them. Even Corypheus couldn't control darkspawn directly or indirectly. Why is this so important? Because darkspawns are soulles tainted vessels and with their own army of darkspawns, they could be very hard to kill (like Archdemons) since they could just possess closest darkspawn even when their body gets destroyed. So, killing the Architect will be a lot trickier than killing Corypheus. Architect was also experimenting on dragons and taming them in Awakening and he also convinced some of the Grey Wardens to work for him so this makes me think that it was him who helped Corypheus break free of his prison. Remember Janeka/Larius? One of them had to be willing to be Cory's vessel for Cory to survive being killed by Hawke.

 

If Architect is so talented, so smart and knows so much about magic and blight then what is he? Why Corypheus was "the Conductor", the one who led others in Fade but not the Architect? My guess, the Architect was not an Ancient Tevinter Magister. But he was their Archon. Dumat whispered to the Tevinters and gave them the darkest secrets of blood magic and The Archon / The Architect , true to his title, built the ritual that would make trip to Fade possible in flesh. But since he was a bit too smart for going there himself, in flesh, he ordered his magisters to go and claim the Golden City. The City was not what magisters expected, they got tainted and came back to the world and spread the taint, starting from the Architect I guess.

That's spirits not with what ever Cory is.

[Rocknife]

What part of Cory do you think he transfers to other vessels? His soul of course. Just like the Archdemons.

[Toasted Llama]

The Architect took over King Alistair's body. That's why you don't put him on the throne, you monsters!

[Heimdall]

I don't really understand why people come up with such elaborate theories about the Architect being a liar and being anything besides the dangerously confused magister he is.

[Heimdall]

*Double Post*

[Elfyoth]

By now it should be fairly obvious, if not outright confirmed by Bioware, that the Architect was in fact an ancient Magister like Corypheus. My question then is, could the Architect, being the same type of being as Corpypheus, and if you chose to kill him, resurrect in the body of a Darkspawn or Grey Warden in the same manner as Cory?

Of course I think, and btw David Gaider, have offically confirmed that the Architect is in fact a Magister like Cory. So... I won't be suprised if we see him again... 

[In Exile]

Did you read 'The Calling'? In that book he very clearly seems taken aback by some of the characters' horrified reactions to his actions and schemes as if they were completely acceptable from his point of view without realising that other moral codes might object.

 

There are plenty of horrible psychos that think exactly in that way. Blue and orange is different from just being a Mad Scientists ™ who engages in horrid experiments for the purpose of instigating what amounts to an ethnic purge.