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[cap and gown]

So, Mordin has gone off to work on the Crucible and Liara has an intercepted email from him on her network terminal talking about his work on the Crucible. Yet her entire post-Tuchanka dialogue assumes that the genophage has actually been cured. Whoops.

[Andrew Lucas]

Wait, I thought Liara was flawless, a Mary Sue.



Whoops.

[Vazgen]

Yeah, I noticed that on my current playthrough. Her comments on Mordin's death are especially glaring when there is a message from him in her own terminal. Unless she never reads it...

[JasonShepard]

Just headcanon that Shepard quietly deletes that email before she reads it

(But yeah, that's a rather glaring over-sight...)

[Daemul]

Liara has missed too much stuff, the most hilarious of them being the existence and the location of Vendetta and the Prothean beacon on Thessia, which was in the data they got from the Mars Archives.

Many lolz were had that day.

[Barquiel]

Liara has missed too much stuff, the most hilarious of them being the existence and the location of Vendetta and the Prothean beacon on Thessia, which was in the data they got from the Mars Archives.

Many lolz were had that day.

 

That's explained in the game, Eva erased some of the data on Mars so Liara and EDI couldn't study it. But the Mordin thing is funny

[themikefest]

That's explained in the game, Eva erased some of the data on Mars so Liara and EDI couldn't study it. But the Mordin thing is funny

How would Liara know if the plans for the device would wipeout the reapers if she didn't study them?

 

For the original post.. That's what happens when a character is put in a position without any background to support that character to be in that position

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 She is, more broadly, not very good.

[Cknarf]

She still fine tho. Ayyyyyyyy.

[KrrKs]

Am I wrong, or is there really just a single instance* in ME3 where Liara being the shadow broker actually gives some (plot-relevant or otherwise) information?

 

*The Crucible plans from the Mars archives, and she could have found these while staying just an archaeologist just as well.

 

Ah, well -at least we have got this gem out of it:

 

Edit: I mean Liara herself via dialogue, not the terminal.

[Vazgen]

Am I wrong, or is there really just a single instance* in ME3 where Liara being the shadow broker actually gives some (plot-relevant or otherwise) information?

 

*The Crucible plans from the Mars archives, and she could have found these while staying just an archaeologist just as well.

 

 

Edit: I mean Liara herself via dialogue, not the terminal.

I don't think so. Regarding the Crucible plans, on a non-import run her being a Shadow Broker is not even mentioned. 

[Mordokai]

*checks the watch*

 

Yeah, I guess we were overdue for the Liara hate thread for some time now...

[Quarian Master Race]

*checks the watch*

 

Yeah, I guess we were overdue for the Liara hate thread for some time now...

but hating on other people's space waifu is fun.

Quick, someone make a threads about how Ashley is a dumb racist, Tali is a terrible leader and Miranda is obvious male fanservice stock character. These forums need moar rabid fanboyism and a good nuking.

[God]

but hating on other people's space waifu is fun.

Quick, someone make a threads about how Ashley is a dumb racist, Tali is a terrible leader and Miranda is obvious male fanservice stock character. These forums need moar rabid fanboyism and a good nuking.

 

You forgot Jack being a total whackjob woman child.

[Quarian Master Race]

You forgot Jack being a total whackjob woman child.

I didn't even bother including the female LI's they didn't take seriously or any of the males. 

Being forced to choose a single flaw to emphasize with Chobot would be far too difficult, anyway.

[Mordokai]

but hating on other people's space waifu is fun.

Quick, someone make a threads about how Ashley is a dumb racist, Tali is a terrible leader and Miranda is obvious male fanservice stock character. These forums need moar rabid fanboyism and a good nuking.

 

Oh, we're gonna nuke some stuff baby, just you wait until I get back home Got me a Venom, so we can do some trolling of pugs and phantoms alike

[SwobyJ]

I thought the whole deal was that Liara knows everything except when she doesn't know something.

 

People make fun of it, but I consider it intentional. Lots of intelligence, lots of information, lots of knowledge, but a refusal or ineptness at knowing and understanding some specific things.

 

She is a very good information broker. But no, she's not a very good information acquirer. She trades information for more information or things. She doesn't often go out to gain new information, as her job. She doesn't have spies everywhere. She has agents everywhere to manage transactions. She won't know everything, and she won't be wise enough to know some things.

 

I actually consider the 'Mary Sue' accusations of her to be quite a joke. She's more of a Mary Sue without being one. A mask of one. 

 

Thessia.

 

 

Pretty much every companion has their surface layer, the layer when you investigate a bit, and the layer that is there but much more open to interpretation. Liara may be the most Mary Sue of any Mass Effect companion, but there's a LOT of smaller stuff there to subvert that. Yes, I do think we're supposed to laugh at how she can be the Shadow Broker and so useful in a lot of ways, while not so useful at certain times where it counts. Heck, that's asari in a nutshell during this Reaper deal.

[Daemul]

That's explained in the game, Eva erased some of the data on Mars so Liara and EDI couldn't study it. But the Mordin thing is funny

 

No, no no no. Eva downloaded all the data to herself first before deleting it from the archives, after she was disabled EDI and Liara extracted it from her. They had the same exact data to work with that Cerberus did, it's the reason TIM mocks Liara for missing the information on Thessia.

[Daemul]

I thought the whole deal was that Liara knows everything except when she doesn't know something.

 

People make fun of it, but I consider it intentional. Lots of intelligence, lots of information, lots of knowledge, but a refusal or ineptness at knowing and understanding some specific things.

 

She is a very good information broker. But no, she's not a very good information acquirer. She trades information for more information or things. She doesn't often go out to gain new information, as her job. She doesn't have spies everywhere. She has agents everywhere to manage transactions. She won't know everything, and she won't be wise enough to know some things.

 

I actually consider the 'Mary Sue' accusations of her to be quite a joke. She's more of a Mary Sue without being one. A mask of one. 

 

Thessia.

 

 

Pretty much every companion has their surface layer, the layer when you investigate a bit, and the layer that is there but much more open to interpretation. Liara may be the most Mary Sue of any Mass Effect companion, but there's a LOT of smaller stuff there to subvert that. Yes, I do think we're supposed to laugh at how she can be the Shadow Broker and so useful in a lot of ways, while not so useful at certain times where it counts. Heck, that's asari in a nutshell during this Reaper deal.

 

Yeah, Liara isn't a Mary Sue, her being quite bad at her job and people making fun or mocking her for it was intentional, Bioware knew what they were doing there. 

[Barquiel]

No, no no no. Eva downloaded all the data to herself first before deleting it from the archives, after she was disabled EDI and Liara extracted it from her. They had the same exact data to work with that Cerberus did, it's the reason TIM mocks Liara for missing the information on Thessia.

Shepard said we only got most of the data, not all of it...



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[DeathScepter]

btw you have a character whom is both a Mary Sue and an Anti Sue at the same time. Liara is that. She is a Mary Sue due to how quickly she become the new Shadow Broker without the traits or training to back it up while having plot armor. Liara is an Anti Sue due to her being insanely inept at her job while having plot armor.

[themikefest]

Shepard said we only got most of the data, not all of it...

How does Shepard know it was downloaded to TIM?

 

My guess is eva only downloaded most of the plans to its omnitool and later Cerberus some how  managed to get back to Mars to get the rest that wasn't downloaded. As I said, this part is just a guess.

 

I'm surprised that Shepard didn't tell Liara to stay behind to make sure there wasn't anymore data left to be downloaded. Shepard and Ashley/Kaidan can chase eva while Liara make sures

 

If Liara was able to study the plans long enough to know its a device that can wipeout the reapers, wouldn't she of known about Thessia as well? Of course how does she know it could wipeout the reapers? Another question is if she did see the plans, why didn't she download them to her omnitool when she realized what they were? 

[Barquiel]

btw you have a character whom is both a Mary Sue and an Anti Sue at the same time. Liara is that. She is a Mary Sue due to how quickly she become the new Shadow Broker without the traits or training to back it up while having plot armor. Liara is an Anti Sue due to her being insanely inept at her job while having plot armor.

These points do not make her a Mary-Sue, or an anti-sue. Liara only found the Shadow Broker base because Cerberus gave her the information (if anything, Cerberus is the real Mary Sue here). That had absolutely nothing to do with her traits or training. Then she simply killed the yahg because Shepard or a bunch of mercs helped her...and took over immediatly, just like the yahg killed his predecessor.

Neither is she inept at her job. The Shadow Broker relies on agents, and those agents don't report back if they're indoctrinated (cerberus personal) or killed (reaper invasion). That has nothing to do with being a good or bad Shadow Broker. In addition, Liara barely had about 6 months of being the Shadow Broker before Cerberus attacked her and destroyed the SB ship (presumably even less than that considering it happened before the Reaper attack on Earth), and was concentrating on dissecting and gathering data on the Crucible. Meanwhile the previous SB had years of experience in the business. All that said and done, yeah I guess she's a less efficient SB than the Yahg, but I feel there are justifiable reasons for it.

[DeathScepter]

as for Cerberus, that is for another thread in which I am very aware of their issues in context of Mass Effect 3. so keep on topic Liara.  When Sam Taylor was better at Liara comes to information gathering. One of the reasons that Liara is consider both a Mary Sue and an Anti Sue is due to how quickly she evolve from an archologist to an information broker to leader of one of the greatest information broker organization without any major training or tat within the writing her story arch. The sheer ineptness of Liara as an information broker or even the shadow broker is what makes her an Anti Sue. And her plot armor ties her both as a Mary Sue and an Anti Sue.

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