So far I counted
Yes 49
No 41
Undecided 18
I just skimmed through it though so it is possible that I may have counted the same ones more than once, or just interpreted them differently.
And by doing Biowares way of research the persons that are quiet and undecidedis they are in favor Yes lets return the warden.
How do you work that one out?
How do you work that one out?
And by doing Biowares way of research the persons that are quiet and undecidedis they are in favor Yes lets return the warden.
Nah, like I said I skimmed the thread and even stated that there may be some inaccuracy in my count. The other individual's count in the thread may have been right. I was under the impression that clearly stating I could have made an error would result in my post *not* being attacked lol. I guess I was wrong on that one haha.
I miss my Warden, but nothing Bioware can do will bring him back as I'd imagine I'd desire out of a return.
I think its fine if he stays away and remains in codex entries or letters/messages. Hell just having other characters talk about what he's up to is fine. I want to know he's doing fine and he's living his own life within the universe;he doesn't have to come across a character I've created in another DA game.
There's too much intersecting of characters between games as it is anyway. We could use less of it as it makes interactions with returning characters seem more important or enjoyable. If it keeps happening it loses its luster.
As for The Warden, I'm content with him remaining voiceless. If he's given a voice, it may not be one that matches with the character I played back in the day, or rather who he'd be years after.
I think there's ways to involve The Warden without a direct appearance;I think thats a safe enough option to take. I hope they take these opportunities into consideration.
I'd like to see the Warden back, but I doubt the result would match up with the expectations. And in any case, Weekes has no intention of bringing the Warden back.
And great job with generalizations, by the way. I don't know who "you guys" is.
"You guys" meant "people who don't think it can or would be done well". Not trying to put you personally in a box. Just generalizing what I actually see. I also qualified it with "usually" because there are people that don't fit either description, not saying there aren't. Sorry if I offended you, didn't mean to.
And yeah, they could flub it up. I understand the concerns about their track record. My point was that it can be done well, if they commit to it. And I hope they do, because this game is incomplete to me.
How do you work that one out?
No. It's a waste of resources with four races and two genders, and considering how they handled Hawke - no thanks.
No. It's a waste of resources with four races and two genders, and considering how they handled Hawke - no thanks.
There's a point where you gotta say "enough is enough" and move on.
That point was 5 years ago.
And the BSN is still going.
There is nothing stopping you or all who dont the warden to come back to leave this thread or any thread that regards the warden at all.There's a point where you gotta say "enough is enough" and move on.
That point was 5 years ago.And the BSN is still going.
I kinda wish that, when they were contacted in-game, my Warden was just like "Horrible end of the world crisis eh? Nope, done that. I'm not obligated to fix every problem that should arise while I'm living. I've earned my retirement. Oh wait...that's the bartender coming with my dinner and extra large beer. Soz, gotta go. Good luck!"
Done. I'd be happy if that was the last I heard of them until we came across a familiar corpse in the Deep Roads, years later, surround by Darkspawn bodies and still with an empty mug of beer in hand.
There is nothing stopping you or all who dont the warden to come back to leave this thread or any thread that regards the warden at all.
So leave this thread to its fate then.
First of all, people need to understand this: Bioware can only do two things with the Warden Commander: 1) Bring him/her back. 2)Mysteriously kill him/her regardless of our choices. Which one is more logical do you think? Because at the end of the Awakening, The Warden Commander lives no matter what, so just forgetting about such an important figure would be ridicoulus. The Warden Commander revealed the truth about how the Fift Blight began, met the Architect, met Anders and Justice (both are obviously important for the story) and if the Warden Commander was also the HoF, s/he also defeated the Archdemon and even Flemeth herself. If even Hawke was brought back just because s/he fought Corypheus so s/he could help, then why wouldn't the Warden Commander come back when the Architect or another Archdemon appears again? Especially when a Warden with great influence like him could help to resolve the matters in Weisshaupt.
Also, it's only natural that people expect to see more of the Warden Commander in the future after seeing DAO Awakening Epilogues. In the end of the epilogues threre writes stuff like these: "neither does anyone think her tale is complete ..." , "neither does anyone think his tale is complete ..." "simply disappeared. Most assume their tale is far from complete ..." These lines appear for both HoF and Orlesian Warden Commander.
Also, if the Warden's relevance to the story simply ends with the first game, then Hawke's relevance has never even truly began. The Warden is obviously much more important than Hawke. If the Hero of Ferelden is alive in DAI, Cassandra says that "First, Leliana and I searced for the Hero of Ferelden but he had vanished. Then we looked for Hawke...". He was the Inquisition's first choice. He is DA fans' first choice as well, clearly. Ultimate Party results were a huge crushing victory for the Warden. Simply forgetting about him/her wouldn't be the wisest thing Bioware can do, that much is obvious. Especially after even Hawke was brought back.
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The thread title clearly invites both yes and no viewpoints. There is nothing stopping you from leaving this thread if you only want threads that reinforce confirmation bias.There is nothing stopping you or all who dont the warden to come back to leave this thread or any thread that regards the warden at all.
So leave this thread to its fate then.
The thread title clearly invites both yes and no viewpoints. There is nothing stopping you from leaving this thread if you only want threads that reinforce confirmation bias.
First of all, people need to understand this: Bioware can only do two things with the Warden Commander: 1) Bring him/her back. 2)Mysteriously kill him/her regardless of our choices.
Also, it's only natural that people expect to see more of the Warden Commander in the future after seeing DAO Awakening Epilogues. In the end of the epilogues threre writes stuff like these: "neither does anyone think her tale is complete ..." , "neither does anyone think his tale is complete ..." "simply disappeared. Most assume their tale is far from complete ..." These lines appear for both HoF and Orlesian Warden Commander.
That's an pretty vague argument, considering it goes both ways. Besides, I never said my opinion is the general one of the fandom. I merely call out when people say that they don't want the warden back, they act as if they speak on the behalf of everyone. What proof they have that the majority holds the same opinion as them?
The fact that it can work both ways is exactly my point
and the poster you responded to was not saying their point was the majority, nor were they suggesting they were speaking for everyone.
Frankly how many people want the HoF to make an appearance should be irrelevant unless it is just some appendix-like fan service.
Plot points and story should never be directly influenced by the fans, it is a sure fire recipe for shitty story telling
There is nothing stopping you or all who dont the warden to come back to leave this thread or any thread that regards the warden at all.
So leave this thread to its fate then.
There's nothing stopping you or all who want the Warden to return to listen to what Bioware themselves have said.
So leave this topic to it's already decided fate by Bioware then.
I can think of a couple more without really trying. 3) Leave the Warden's fate undetermined until the series reaches a date when the Warden will have surely died. 4) Kill the Warden in a non-mysterious fashion related to the plot of a future installment. I'm betting on 4, myself.
This is standard fantasy CRPG boilerplate, the equivalent of "and they lived happily ever after."
In my opinion, 4 would be the foolest thing BW could do, especially after bringing Hawke back. That would cause a great frustration over most DA fans since The Warden is by far the most loved Protagonist(See UP posts/votes). It wouldn't be very smart for the story either. Hawke was brought back because he fought Corypheus so he'd know something about Cory. The Warden fought the Architect, possible the Archdemon and Flemeth too, and they are Grey Warden so they know more about Blight than Hawke will ever know. The Warden could be brought back for the same reason Hawke was brought back and for many more reasons.
And how could "their story is far from complete" and "they lived happily ever after" mean the same thing? That doesn't make the slightest sense.
I was one of the ones who used to be all for bringing back the Warden, but after seeing what happened to Hawke I think I would just be happy with a "they cured the calling and then retired" message somewhere. Really I think the thing I wanted most when I wanted the Warden back was answers, because saying "the warden disappeared mysteriously, but their story is totally over" bugged me, but now we know why they disappeared.
So anyway I'm leaning toward "No" now.
But if they do bring the Warden back voiced I want my Cousland voiced by Ruth Wilson.
There is nothing stopping you or all who dont the warden to come back to leave this thread or any thread that regards the warden at all.
So leave this thread to its fate then.
No... If all the naysayers leave this thread, then this thread will be full of yes responses without taking into account opposing views, which skews the true proportion of fans who want / do not want the Warden to come back. Same goes for the other way around, if all the pro-Warden-return people left the thread. This isn't the way to gather feedback. The thread asks for a yes or no response, not only yes support or only no support.
(for the record, I'm one of the ambivalent people. If the Warden returns, great, I'm pretty easy with the voice thing. If the Warden never returns, great, too.)
And how could "their story is far from complete" and "they lived happily ever after" mean the same thing? That doesn't make the slightest sense.
The underlying meaning is pretty much the same. When a character lives "happily ever after", it's just a vague way of saying that the character is off doing something else and living life, with a layer of sugarcoating on it. Obviously the character cannot realistically be happy at every moment for years to come, and might face adversity in some fashion. It doesn't mean that it's anything we necessarily have to observe.
Why wouldn't it be smart for the story? Depends on how the Warden dies, doesn't it?In my opinion, 4 would be the foolest thing BW could do, especially after bringing Hawke back. That would cause a great frustration over most DA fans since The Warden is by far the most loved Protagonist(See UP posts/votes). It wouldn't be very smart for the story either. Hawke was brought back because he fought Corypheus so he'd know something about Cory. The Warden fought the Architect, possible the Archdemon and Flemeth too, and they are Grey Warden so they know more about Blight than Hawke will ever know. The Warden could be brought back for the same reason Hawke was brought back and for many more reasons.
What I meant was that the character's life continues, but we don't see it happen. It's not quite the same thing since more action is implied, but the effect is the same.And how could "their story is far from complete" and "they lived happily ever after" mean the same thing? That doesn't make the slightest sense.
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