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[Jawzzus]

Someone on here told Allan he should of died as a fetus...why do you think they would ever want to step foot in BSN again?

[vanek2112]

A lot of people are saying ME3 ruined it, but the devs were posting a lot in the DAI forums well after ME3 up until DAI came out and then it was just sudden silence. Just sounds like they had something to hype up and now they don't.  I wouldn't be surprised if they return before the next game.  

[Sanunes]

A lot of people are saying ME3 ruined it, but the devs were posting a lot in the DAI forums well after ME3 up until DAI came out and then it was just sudden silence. Just sounds like they had something to hype up and now they don't.  I wouldn't be surprised if they return before the next game.  

 

The big difference is people stopped talking when Dragon Age: Inquisition was finished because they moved to other projects too.  The people that did still talk to us have moved on since Allan is part of QA he is probably somewhere working on content that he can't talk about and might not be even Dragon Age related and the other person that frequented the BSN semi-regularly David Gaider has moved to the new BioWare IP that nobody is talking in public about aside from "we are working on a new IP".  The rest of the BioWare crew might post to other areas of the BSN, but rarely anywhere near the boards dedicated to the newer games.

[pdusen]

I certainly wouldn't, if I were them.

[Morroian]

I certainly wouldn't, if I were them.

 

Of course not why would they communicate with their fans through their own forums..................

[Realmzmaster]

Of course not why would they communicate with their fans through their own forums..................

 

They did communicate with the fans on these forums. Unfortunately some of those fans saw that as an opportunity to denigrate rather than communicate. Which simply ruined it for the rest of us.

[Kantr]

The ones that have to, visit only when they need to. The rest avoid it like the plague.

[Morroian]

They did communicate with the fans on these forums. Unfortunately some of those fans saw that as an opportunity to denigrate rather than communicate. Which simply ruined it for the rest of us.

 

The DAI forum was fine until unpopular decisions started to emerge and Bioware outright refused to address and discuss them, this lack of transparency made things worse. However even now the forums are nowhere near as bad as they were during DA2 and ME3.Also apparently even on the beta forums there is barely any discussion from the devs.

[Conal Pierse]

 

Does BioWare go into these boards?

Yes, we still visit the forums and regularly come here to look for and solicit feedback from the community. We’ve been doing this quite regularly since launch, and have worked hard on implementing features and changes based on what we’ve been hearing.

 

To date we’ve made a number of changes to Inquisition based on feedback, and while these changes haven’t come as fast as some people may have liked, this is more a representation of the complexity of the task and the resources on hand, rather than a lack of desire or ability to implement it.

 

Some things simply take time, and some things that seem outwardly simple can be incredibly complex. Also, since we don’t have infinite programmers and QA sitting at infinite computers, we often have to make the difficult decision as to what to fix first.

 

And yes, some of these fixes were seemingly hacked in by modders, or in the cheat engine. And when you see these, people ask, “Well, why don't you just use X solution?” and generally the answer is, “because it's not really an ideal solution for all players/platforms.”

 

Press X to force fire banter, for example, isn't really a solution to players not experiencing the random banter as often as they would like. While you do get banter when you want it, it also takes away from the immersive feel that your companions are living, breathing people who occupy Thedas alongside you. (I guess you could head cannon that the Inquisitor is drunk on power and likes to beat conversation out of his followers, but that’s not necessarily how everyone might want to play.)

 

This series of tweets from Mark Darrah provides some insight into why we can’t always be as open with our community as they might like. As a publicly traded company, there are often some very specific have-a-government-official-come-kick-down-your-door reasons why you can’t say certain things at certain times in a certain way.

 

We have been monitoring what people have been saying, and posting where and when we can. We are also actively collecting feedback from the forums and reviewing it internally. Granted our presence has not been as visible as people may like, and that’s also something we are working on. And hopefully we can work together to make this a better space for everyone.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

They are pretty active on Twitter, which is much easier to handle and far more effective a platform than forums could ever be.

 

I am certain that it is, indeed easier.

 

More effective? Definitely not. Having a 144 character limit is never going to be a particularly effective way of saying anything of significance. And a lot of infamous tweets have been taken way out of context and used as justification for absurd and over-the-top reactions.

 

Twitter is extremely limited. Forums are a vastly superiour medium for communicating ideas.

[SofaJockey]

Yes, we still visit the forums and regularly come here to look for and solicit feedback from the community. We’ve been doing this quite regularly since launch, and have worked hard on implementing features and changes based on what we’ve been hearing.

 

*useful stuff snipped for length*

 

We have been monitoring what people have been saying, and posting where and when we can. We are also actively collecting feedback from the forums and reviewing it internally. Granted our presence has not been as visible as people may like, and that’s also something we are working on. And hopefully we can work together to make this a better space for everyone.

 

Thanks for that  .

It's interesting how some sections of the forum can develop such different experiences because of, (as quoted earlier on Twitter by Mark), 

the 8 'reasons why we [BioWare] may not answer your question: 

1. We can not because of a contractual obligation
2. We can not because of SEC or other regulatory laws
3. The information would trigger a revenue recognition issue
4. Its a surprise
5. We don't know the answer
6. We are avoiding bad news. We try to avoid doing this because it rarely works out. But it does happen on occasion.'
7. You asked it a way that didn't make someone want to answer. Be nice, please
8. The question got lost. This is not an excuse to SPAM your questions, however.

If a thread is exploring a topic that falls firmly under one of the 8 reasons above,

it's quite easy for such a thread to generate pages and pages of upset under the power of its own heat.

 

Other areas of the forum, and I'd highlight the multiplayer  section as a good example, have folk like Blair and Graham popping in

which I think is really appreciated. Actually as they have popped in more, some of the dog piling that happened when they first

did so has reduced and the interaction has become a bit more relaxed, relaxing the forum section in the process.

[Nefla]

I wish whether a person liked the game or not, they would be polite and reasonable with the devs and each other. Bullying and hate ruins it for everyone not only do the nice comments from people who loved the game not get seen and appreciated, but the polite and genuine criticisms are also hidden under a mountain of rage.

[sandalisthemaker]

Someone on here told Allan he should of died as a fetus...why do you think they would ever want to step foot in BSN again?

 

WHAT. 

 

HOW DARE THEY.

 

No one says that about dear Allan.   I am legit pissed off right now.  

[Hellion Rex]

Someone on here told Allan he should of died as a fetus...why do you think they would ever want to step foot in BSN again?

Who in the bloody hell....

[SofaJockey]

I wish whether a person liked the game or not, they would be polite and reasonable with the devs and each other. Bullying and hate ruins it for everyone not only do the nice comments from people who loved the game not get seen and appreciated, but the polite and genuine criticisms are also hidden under a mountain of rage.

 

This is so true. By all means give feedback on weaker parts of the game (e.g. 'Pressed for Cache' quest, I'm looking at you...  )

But that can be done without the cynicism and the hyperbole. The game is not 'broken' if it is missing 'feature x'.

Developers are not 'lazy' if someone with no understanding of software development thinks it is 'easy' to make changes.

[Sanunes]

This is so true. By all means give feedback on weaker parts of the game (e.g. 'Pressed for Cache' quest, I'm looking at you...  )

But that can be done without the cynicism and the hyperbole. The game is not 'broken' if it is missing 'feature x'.

Developers are not 'lazy' if someone with no understanding of software development thinks it is 'easy' to make changes.

 

As my boss used to put it, people who don't know how to do your job think they can do it better and quicker then you can.

[duckley]

Honestly, another gaming forum I visit the devs are extremely active, they reply to almost anything they can answer, give us news and updates as to how things are going and actually take feedback and implement it into the game if many people agree with the idea.
Anyway, I don't see Bioware doing the same, we asked for a NORMAL auto attack where it's assigned to the right click and so you just right click each enemy and you auto attack them, but no, they had to do it with half the effort.
We've been asking for tooltips on the power bar and we get NO response.
I've been asking to be able to zoom in in combat and no response or anything.
I used to love Bioware so much, they made such awesome games and I wanted to support them till the end but it seems like it's a one way thing where our pleas are being mostly ignored. Do they not see this or are they intentionally ignoring it? It's bad enough the PC UI is clunky and doesn't function properly all the time and the game stutters randomly even with high end systems but seriously. UGHHHHH!
(Sorry I really needed to get this off my chest here and I hope people can understand where I am coming from.)

What gaming forum is that?

[duckley]

[quote name="line_genrou" post="18906013" timestamp="1427862928"]They kinda messed up their relationship with the fans (lying to the pc community being one of the things)
so yeah, people are probably going to respond harshly if they ever post anything[/quote



Oh? who knew? I thought my relationship with Bioware as a fan, was just fine!

[Nimlowyn]

As my boss used to put it, people who don't know how to do your job think they can do it better and quicker then you can.

Biggest. Pet peeve. Ever.

[bondari reloads.]

What gaming forum is that?

 

Can't be Obsidian, because due to some rather irritating bugs the threads over there are flowing over with complaints and only the bravest souls among the developers dared set foot in them so far. And that's complaining about a game rated 90 on Metacritic (!). So I fear the tone has generally taken a change for the worse. [+ Grandmother slightly approves]

[Avejajed]

They kinda messed up their relationship with the fans (lying to the pc community being one of the things)
so yeah, people are probably going to respond harshly if they ever post anything

No.

The fans are the ones that messed up the relationship. Well not the true fans, the people on this board who are so bitter and unhappy they feed off spreading hate around, using personal attacks and disrespect instead of constructive interaction. Not even Allan, one of the most legit laid back cool guys I've ever had the pleasure to talk to, comes around anymore.

But they used to.

This fandom has some of the most hateful, judgemental and rudest people ever to get on the internet, and I don't blame the devs one bit for reaching their limit.

The amount of name-calling, personal attacks, blatant homophobia, etc. would tire anyone out if forced to see it endlessly.

That's not even bringing up the sheer amount of people who think Bioware has personally wronged them in some deep way by not releasing a remake of Origins, which is clearly what most of the people complaining endlessly about all of the "lies" from Bioware wanted.

These people mock and complain and drag through the mud the very product these guys spend alll of their creative energy making. Some of them have been creating this world for us for years. And how do we repay them? Insults. People can't even complain without being total dicks about it.

This place is mostly just ridiculous. Most people don't even venture into the main forums anymore because lots of people here are terrible human beings who couldn't be decent to another person if they were paid to be.

[Dio Demon]

Each time someone screams (in a non-polite way) a dev should post. They should post "My official stance: *insert irrelevant word here*"

[Nefla]

Each time someone screams (in a non-polite way) a dev should post. They should post "My official stance: *insert irrelevant word here*"

Such as "My official stance: pineaple" ?

[Morty Smith]

Staying one night in the BSN is an intern-trial.

 

They also throw their old and sick down here.

[Vegeta 77]

When people send death threats and threaten their children over a product they did not like i understand why they do not want to talk to players. They read feedback in here but most would rather not reply to people these days after DA2 and ME3.