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[Ishiki]

Hi, i would like to know all theories about ending of Mass Effect 3.

Here is mine:
"Citadel is moved to SOL system by Reapers. I personally think that crucible is failsafe made by Leviathan, Leviathan said that Reapers will repeat their cycle till they see that it has no purpose. So crucible is like symbol that only united species can build it so there is no point in other cycles. Same thing is said by Catalyst as soon as you start chating with him. So Catalyst is an AI created by Leviathan, crucible is failsafe for galaxy a proof that Reapers are no longer needed. Everything happens inside Shepards head, cause everything looks like dream sequences. Talk between Illusive man and Anderson is like last check up that Shepard is really that person which can stop cycles and finally he surpasses all test and goes to a "new solution" panel. Everything is pretty stupid because it is a dream. 3 choices ar like symbols, these are not an options to destroy a reapers, its options to keep away chaos. And you choose between them. That is my version. I dont like how ending was fulfilled its abit out of context. Details are missed out and ****. But in a big picture for me its peace of art."
 

I and i think lots of other people would like to share and read different theories around the internet Thanks.

[geezer117]

If you choose the option where Shepard refuses to cooperate with the catalyst, then the reapers finish this cycle and all sentient organic life is destroyed. Proving to me that it is not all a dream in Shepard's head. 

 

One unanswered question then arises. Since synthetics in this cycle have become alive, presumably for the first time ever, would the reapers leave them alone because they are not organic? They would be an advanced civilization that survives and then dominates the galaxy. So the chaos would end, ending the purpose of the reapers. 

[AlanC9]

If you choose the option where Shepard refuses to cooperate with the catalyst, then the reapers finish this cycle and all sentient organic life is destroyed. Proving to me that it is not all a dream in Shepard's head.

Not necessarily. A Shepard who Refuses has failed the test.

[DSiKn355]

One unanswered question then arises. Since synthetics in this cycle have become alive, presumably for the first time ever, would the reapers leave them alone because they are not organic? They would be an advanced civilization that survives and then dominates the galaxy. So the chaos would end, ending the purpose of the reapers. 

 

Synthetics are always Harvested also.

 

"The Catalyst's solution dictated that all spacefaring organic and synthetic species would be harvested, with millions of bodies and minds from each race being processed and converted into new Reapers made in Harbinger's image, even as the Reapers themselves worked to destroy their civilizations. By doing this, the Reapers synthetically preserved the harvested race's genetic makeup and collective knowledge, while simultaneously allowing for more primitive races to advance. This harvest ensured that the threat of complete annihilation of organics by synthetics was effectively averted."

 

Source: http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Catalyst

 

Personally I like the Indoctrination Theory as it makes the most sense.

 

There is too many weird events with the ending.

 

Why are the indoctrinated eyes in both "Control" and "Synthesis" endings?

How did the illusive man get onto the Citadel when he wasn't present on the battlefield or never passed through the light that beamed you up?

How did the Illusive man control you and make you shoot Anderson if you were not indoctrinated?

How did the wound Anderson have suddenly appear on you?

How did that wound and fatigue disappear once you choose Destroy?

Why is the Catalyst shaped like the child you saw previously and kept dreaming about?

What did the dreams mean and why did they end with you burning with the child? Warning perhaps of the danger the child possess'??

And IF the other endings are supposed to be chosen and IF Synthesis is supposed to be "The Best" ending why is only "Destroy" the Ending in which you see Shepard survived?

 

It all must mean something right?

 

So I like the idea of when Shepard was hit with the beam from Harbinger it was all a dream after that.

A test through indoctrination to see if he can be controlled or assimilated

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Why are the indoctrinated eyes in both "Control" and "Synthesis" endings?

How did the illusive man get onto the Citadel when he wasn't present on the battlefield or never passed through the light that beamed you up?

How did the Illusive man control you and make you shoot Anderson if you were not indoctrinated?

How did the wound Anderson have suddenly appear on you?

How did that wound and fatigue disappear once you choose Destroy?

Why is the Catalyst shaped like the child you saw previously and kept dreaming about?

What did the dreams mean and why did they end with you burning with the child? Warning perhaps of the danger the child possess'??

And IF the other endings are supposed to be chosen and IF Synthesis is supposed to be "The Best" ending why is only "Destroy" the Ending in which you see Shepard survived?

 

I attempt to answer these:

-TIM already had gone to the Citadel before it moved, while Shepard and Co are still at Cronos, it is said by Vendetta. TIM went to warn the Reapers after he found out the Citadel is the Catalyst.

-Miranda's father conducted tests at Horizon that involved controlling husks. Maybe the thing with Shepard could work in the same way.

-I don't know (did it really disappear or is it just not focused on the wound anymore?), but adrenaline can make you do some amazing things when before you're in a shitty state.

-Maybe the Catalyst wanted to present itself with an "innocent" face to pull Shepard on its side, to make Shepard trust it?

-Could maybe be interpreted that Shepard blames him/herself for not being able to rescue the child (this I'm quite sure of), and when he/she finally reaches it in the dream, he/she might also not make it, he/she's scared to fail. Basically it's also for all the deaths Shep caused, like hearing Ash/Kaidan, Mordin etc.

-Well, the game states it, you need to give up your physical forms for anything other than Destroy. Synthesis is about Shepard's energy, so the body needs to be sacrificed. A "small" sacrifice for the greater good.

[DSiKn355]

I attempt to answer these:

-TIM already had gone to the Citadel before it moved, while Shepard and Co are still at Cronos, it is said by Vendetta. TIM went to warn the Reapers after he found out the Citadel is the Catalyst.

-Miranda's father conducted tests at Horizon that involved controlling husks. Maybe the thing with Shepard could work in the same way.

-I don't know (did it really disappear or is it just not focused on the wound anymore?), but adrenaline can make you do some amazing things when before you're in a shitty state.

-Maybe the Catalyst wanted to present itself with an "innocent" face to pull Shepard on its side, to make Shepard trust it?

-Could maybe be interpreted that Shepard blames him/herself for not being able to rescue the child (this I'm quite sure of), and when he/she finally reaches it in the dream, he/she might also not make it, he/she's scared to fail. Basically it's also for all the deaths Shep caused, like hearing Ash/Kaidan, Mordin etc.

-Well, the game states it, you need to give up your physical forms for anything other than Destroy. Synthesis is about Shepard's energy, so the body needs to be sacrificed. A "small" sacrifice for the greater good.

 

Good attempt I guess but I cannot say I accept all you have put but I don't wanna turn this into a debate (that I have already gone over lol) in a Theory thread.

But safe to say the endings themselves don't make sense.

 

And this the option outcomes.

 

1. Synthesis: Your HUMAN DNA mixes with the Energy and somehow is able to change Every human (farfetched enough) but also EVERY OTHER RACE WHOSE DNA IS DIFFERENT? Space magic right?

 

2. Control: You become some type of energy form to monitor and control the Reapers but it is never specified how or where you even are (within every reaper/within the AI itself)

 

3. Destroy: Now this is straight nuts. Apparently Shepard with an injury to the stomach which is causing heavy bleeding, fatigue to the point of looking near death. Is then caught in an explosion somewhat like a nuke going off point blank. Also has his nanomachines that have been keeping him alive since ME2 shut down. Gets cover in debris from the explosion meaning that very debris must have hit him to land on top of him and he lives.

 

Yep it must have all been a dream lol

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Good attempt I guess but I cannot say I accept all you have put but I don't wanna turn this into a debate (that I have already gone over lol) in a Theory thread.

But safe to say the endings themselves don't make sense.

 

And this the option outcomes.

 

1. Synthesis: Your HUMAN DNA mixes with the Energy and somehow is able to change Every human (farfetched enough) but also EVERY OTHER RACE WHOSE DNA IS DIFFERENT? Space magic right?

 

2. Control: You become some type of energy form to monitor and control the Reapers but it is never specified how or where you even are (within every reaper/within the AI itself)

 

3. Destroy: Now this is straight nuts. Apparently Shepard with an injury to the stomach which is causing heavy bleeding, fatigue to the point of looking near death. Is then caught in an explosion somewhat like a nuke going off point blank. Also has his nanomachines that have been keeping him alive since ME2 shut down. Gets cover in debris from the explosion meaning that very debris must have hit him to land on top of him and he lives.

 

Yep it must have all been a dream lol

 

1. I never said I agree with Synthesis. I mean, it *is* an interesting concept imo, but it is awkward, too. Magic sounds about right.

2. AFAIK Shepard replaces/becomes the AI/Catalyst, but with his/her own memories and thoughts. It's only the body that "dies".

3. Yeah let's not go there. We've argued enough about that in the other thread

 

Let's just say: The Crucible's energy is special Maybe that was a thing back then when the first civilization had the idea for the Crucible, heh.

[DSiKn355]

Since when did Shepard have nano machines? Lazarus is hyper cell regeneration (as seen in ME2's intro) fused with synthetic skin and muscle (along with enhanced medigel dispensing).

 

Still a machine used to keep him alive so the point still stands lol

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I was thinking about this Medi-Gel stuff recently. After Shepard got hit by the Harby Beam and his armor was mostly damaged... Could he still have the Medi-Gel dispenser on the back? If I remember correctly, the Medi-Gel dispenser sat on the back of the armor as shown in ME2. I'm not sure if that still is true in ME3 (I will check more armor descriptions when I get back into ME3 on my current run), or if there is any other source outside the game that states the dispenser is on the back (Do you know anything, StreetMagic?).

Because iiiif they'd still work, maybe we could use it as an explanation why Shepard actually can survive everything from Harby's beam on other than sheer dumb luck

[Vazgen]

I was thinking about this Medi-Gel stuff recently. After Shepard got hit by the Harby Beam and his armor was mostly damaged... Could he still have the Medi-Gel dispenser on the back? If I remember correctly, the Medi-Gel dispenser sat on the back of the armor as shown in ME2. I'm not sure if that still is true in ME3 (I will check more armor descriptions when I get back into ME3 on my current run), or if there is any other source outside the game that states the dispenser is on the back (Do you know anything, StreetMagic?).

Because iiiif they'd still work, maybe we could use it as an explanation why Shepard actually can survive everything from Harby's beam on other than sheer dumb luck

Medi-Gel works in conjunction with the suit's VI. Dispensers are spread out through the suit. When VI detects a breach in a suit, nearby dispensers administrate medi-gel to the area. After getting hit by the beam we see no lights on the back of the armor, powers no longer work, though suit's targeting interface is still active. But Medi-Gel is used to stop bleeding. Maybe the effectiveness is reduced.

[fraggle]

Medi-Gel works in conjunction with the suit's VI. Dispensers are spread out through the suit. When VI detects a breach in a suit, nearby dispensers administrate medi-gel to the area. After getting hit by the beam we see no lights on the back of the armor, powers no longer work, though suit's targeting interface is still active. But Medi-Gel is used to stop bleeding. Maybe the effectiveness is reduced.

 

The suit's targeting being still active is from when you shoot at the husks and Marauder, right?

So do you think Medi-Gel could have been spread as soon as we're hit by the beam, before the lights go out? And that it still might have worked, though very slow/ineffective because there's too much damage to Shepard?

It's not that I wanna grasp at straws here, just checking for possibilities if this might have worked

[Vazgen]

The suit's targeting being still active is from when you shoot at the husks and Marauder, right?

So do you think Medi-Gel could have been spread as soon as we're hit by the beam, before the lights go out? And that it still might have worked, though very slow/ineffective because there's too much damage to Shepard?

It's not that I wanna grasp at straws here, just checking for possibilities if this might have worked

Yes, targeting assistance when fighting them.

 

I think the suit is working on closing the wounds all the way from Harbinger's blast to the end. That's why Shepard looks at his bloody hand like for the first time when sitting with Anderson (the wounds are closed) and that's why he is able to walk straight and/or run in the ending. Plus, his implants, of course.

[fraggle]

That's why Shepard looks at his bloody hand like for the first time when sitting with Anderson (the wounds are closed)

 

That's a good catch! I have to re-watch everything and pay special attention to that scene then

[DSiKn355]

Yes, targeting assistance when fighting them.

 

I think the suit is working on closing the wounds all the way from Harbinger's blast to the end. That's why Shepard looks at his bloody hand like for the first time when sitting with Anderson (the wounds are closed) and that's why he is able to walk straight and/or run in the ending. Plus, his implants, of course.

 

That is speculation with no clarification.

If his wound was closed why only then look at it when he wasn't bothered by it when he first landed on the Citadel when it was "apparently" open?

Wouldn't you be more bothered by an open wound than a closed one?

 

And then why is he still holding his side after the wound is "apparently" closed, looking half dead when he first meets the Catalyst and yet never held it before Anderson got shot?

 

His suit was wrecked and there was no readout as he wasn't even using a helmet to give you an official readout when aiming it was just a default screen given by the developers.

 

It's like saying Shepard had reached god mode because he had a gun with infinite ammo which never required reloading lol.

 

It bares no relevance to Shepard as it was just put as a basic thing to get the job done.... Unless you wanna go with IT and it was all a dream

[Vazgen]

That is speculation with no clarification.

If his wound was closed why only then look at it when he wasn't bothered by it when he first landed on the Citadel when it was "apparently" open?

Wouldn't you be more bothered by an open wound than a closed one?

 

And then why is he still holding his side after the wound is "apparently" closed, looking half dead when he first meets the Catalyst and yet never held it before Anderson got shot?

 

His suit was wrecked and there was no readout as he wasn't even using a helmet to give you an official readout when aiming it was just a default screen given by the developers.

 

It's like saying Shepard had reached god mode because he had a gun with infinite ammo which never required reloading lol.

 

It bares no relevance to Shepard as it was just put as a basic thing to get the job done.... Unless you wanna go with IT and it was all a dream

Calm down mate

You want me to speculate further on speculation? I acknowledge that it is not explained in the game. Every player can interpret the scene the way he sees fit. I'm not trying to pass my interpretation as universal truth. Hence the words "I think", "Maybe" in my posts. 

You want to view it as BS, fine. I prefer to make up my own explanations (which are not contradicted by lore) and continue to enjoy the games. Peace.

[DSiKn355]

Calm down mate

You want me to speculate further on speculation? I acknowledge that it is not explained in the game. Every player can interpret the scene the way he sees fit. I'm not trying to pass my interpretation as universal truth. Hence the words "I think", "Maybe" in my posts. 

You want to view it as BS, fine. I prefer to make up my own explanations (which are not contradicted by lore) and continue to enjoy the games. Peace.

 

I think you need to calm down as I never used "BS" anywhere in my post.

 

If anything I was saying it doesn't make sense from a logical standpoint and gaming stand point (the readout/Infinite ammo)

 

I am very much calm my friend lol

[Vazgen]

I think you need to calm down as I never used "BS" anywhere in my post.

 

If anything I was saying it doesn't make sense from a logical standpoint and gaming stand point (the readout/Infinite ammo)

 

I am very much calm my friend lol

You didn't but the word BS is used to indicate that something doesn't make sense - just what you were saying.

 

The readout does not have to come from the helmet. You can get readout without helmet all the way from ME1. Infinite ammo can be roleplayed around - just hit reload after every 6 shots. 

 

Every question you raised in your reply can be answered with further speculation. I can elaborate, if you want, but you already dismissed my post as "speculation with no clarification" so I don't think you want that. Like I said, it's my own interpretation, I'm not forcing it on anyone.

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It's all speculation, but it's fun to do so and see what's possible, to make sense to a certain degree.

I've rewatched the scene too, and it could be interpreted both ways. Either Shepard notices that he's badly wounded and actually realises that for the first time, or he could notice it's still looking bad but he's getting better. I mean, such a wound would not heal completely within the given time anyway, or would it? So Shepard can still acknowledge he was hurt badly, but he could be on the way to be better. A factor that would also support this is that Shepard was pretty much done physically when Hackett called him. With a last effort to go even further, he collapsed, but as soon as he had rested, he has more strength again.

[DSiKn355]

In that case I still go with IT as it's most valid for me and has enough evidence to validate it lol.

 

I get some may see it as far fetched but for me it just seems more logical than a surviving Shepard as that just seems to me near impossible if everything he endures is true.

 

Shepard's death was never a problem for me.

Shepard getting no personal reward for his death bugged the sh!t outta me.

So for him to get something it seems I want him to live to make it possible but an epilogue scene of Tali on Rannoch with her and Shepard's child would have been satisfying for me as he would have still got something personal from it and I could have head cannoned that he sub consciously did it for his unborn child also.

 

That Tali in the EC scene when she said "I am home" rubbed her stomach to signify to Shepard that she is with child.

 

That would have been enough for me lol.

 

I apologize if i seem too opinionated lol

[DSiKn355]

And the debris that hit him too?

 

Yeah I had sole survivor too.

 

But I don't see experience as endurance or resilience to death as his death in the opening of ME2 showed.

 

But we are free to head canon whatever we like I guess lol.