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[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Fenris asks Flemeth straight up if she is an abomination or a demon. She answers "neither am I". 

Anders took justice in, that classifies as an abomination.
Flemeth took Mythal in, that would also technically classify her as an abomination right?

So did Flemeth simply lie to Fenris? I don't really see how an abomination and what Flemeth is - is different. Taking in a spirit of justice or the spirit of an elven godess is pretty much the same as for classifying as an abomination isn't it?

[myahele]

Abomination (and blood magic)is pretty much an all encompassing term used by Andrastrians to describe something they don't know anything about.

 

So yes, she falls under the abomination category if we if we use their terms

[legbamel]

If she's still able to pass her godhood to Morrigan and gift Solas with power she's not a spirit.  I don't know what she is, but she's more than a spirit or a demon in the way people refer to them in connection with abominations.  Even if she might be considered one by modern-day Thedosians, she doesn't consider herself one.  If your beliefs are different and you define your self image by those beliefs it's hardly lying to tell someone about yourself in your own terms, even if theirs differ.

[NaclynE]

Fenris asks Flemeth straight up if she is an abomination or a demon. She answers "neither am I". 

Anders took justice in, that classifies as an abomination.
Flemeth took Mythal in, that would also technically classify her as an abomination right?

So did Flemeth simply lie to Fenris? I don't really see how an abomination and what Flemeth is - is different. Taking in a spirit of justice or the spirit of an elven godess is pretty much the same as for classifying as an abomination isn't it?

 

Frankly I don't know what she is but i know Flemeth is not a abonimation. As far as the comment is concerned Flemeth was being Flemeth: she likes to keep people in the dark about everything.  Like for instance...If I "killed her" in DAO...why is she still alive in DAI?

[legbamel]

Because while you and her daughter were traipsing around Redcliffe she was giving Hawke that little amulet.

[Tamyn]

An abomination is a Fade spirit inhabiting a living person's body. They essentially merge with the person. Mythal did not originate from the Fade; she was once a flesh and blood elf. She is not corrupted by the feelings of her host into defying her own nature like a spirit would be. She remains a separate entity and can change hosts.

[Qun00]

Are you sure you're not just getting things mixed up?

I remember a conversation like that, but it actually was like this.

Hawke: I'm not sure if Morrigan is your daughter or your enemy.

Flemeth: Neither is she...

[Exile Isan]

I thought what Fenris says is "I've seen powerful mages, spirits and abominations, but you are none of those things. What are you?" And then she dodges his question by calling attention to the fact that he may be free but he still wears his shackles.

[Sah291]

I thought what Fenris says is "I've seen powerful mages, spirits and abominations, but you are none of those things. What are you?" And then she dodges his question by calling attention to the fact that he may be free but he still wears his shackles.

 

Yup, that's the dialogue with Fenris. He calls her a witch at first, but then says she's no simple witch. It's actually Anders who asks her outright if she is a spirit or abomination. He never uses the word demon, though. She just laughs it off and deflects the question, saying "and you would know of spirits and abominations" or something like that (referring to Justice). 

 

I don't think Felmeth ever lied about what she was, when asked, she would always just speak in riddles or dodge the question. She refers to herself as a "fly in the ointment, a whisper in the shadows, a fragment, an old woman..." I guess those are all true descriptions of what she is/represents, even if they don't really say anything technically. 

 

The word "abomination" in the DA universe seems to be used to describe something unnatural, that has gone against nature, or against the Maker. But the Andrastians seem to use it to describe almost anything in general they don't like or see as evil. So it's a very subjective word that gets tossed around. I don't think Flemeth would describe herself that way, even if she might be one according to some. And Anders/Justice was very confused about what he was, so I wouldn't take his word for it either. 

[Sifr]

The word "abomination" in the DA universe seems to be used to describe something unnatural, that has gone against nature, or against the Maker. But the Andrastians seem to use it to describe almost anything in general they don't like or see as evil. So it's a very subjective word that gets tossed around. I don't think Flemeth would describe herself that way, even if she might be one according to some. And Anders/Justice was very confused about what he was, so I wouldn't take his word for it either. 

 

Morrigan even uses the term when she talks about how the Circle have sought to eradicate all forms of magic that they don't approve of, mockingly asking the Warden whether her being a shapeshifter is enough to label her as "an unnatural abomination, to be put to the torch?"

 

Much like the old wives' tale that mages can turn people into frogs, the Templars seeming belief that any apostate is automatically a maleficar (regardless of whether they use blood magic), it seems that the term "abomination" gets thrown more than a bedroom tussle with Isabela on the high seas?