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[Aulis Vaara]

If we can only time travel to when the Breach exist, why can't we travel back to the first Breach or to the time before the Veil?

[TEWR]

If we can only time travel to when the Breach exist, why can't we travel back to the first Breach or to the time before the Veil?

 

Because you can only time travel so long as the Breach exists. Time travel only works with the Breach in play.

 

Alexius tried to travel back in time to when his son and wife were attacked by Darkspawn, but found it was impossible because that happened before the Breach occurred.

[Red of Rivia]

I think before the veil there was not magic... so....I think the time travel magic is restricted to certain things.

[LonewandererD]

The spell seems to need an entrance point and an exit point and both points need to have access to the same raw magic that comes from the breach hence it cannot go back to a time before the breach as such raw magic wouldn't be available

 

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[Aulis Vaara]

The spell seems to need an entrance point and an exit point and both points need to have access to the same raw magic that comes from the breach hence it cannot go back to a time before the breach as such raw magic wouldn't be available

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But it was during the first Breach! Do people not understand the question?

[Heimdall]

But it was during the first Breach! Do people not understand the question?

What first Breach? There was only ever the one.

[LonewandererD]

The magic that exists to allow this to happen has only happened recently and if you look into Alexius's future it is clear that it just isn't possible to go back before the breach appears at Haven. Not even the Elder One who in one instance achieves near god hood can achieve this goal.

 

Also, what first breach?

 

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[Incantrix]

I think before the veil there was not magic... so....I think the time travel magic is restricted to certain things.

 

Actually, I would assume it would be the opposite. They say that before the veil, even Dwarves had magic. 

 

speculation of course. 

[Red of Rivia]

Actually, I would assume it would be the opposite. They say that before the veil, even Dwarves had magic. 

 

speculation of course. 

You can tell me more about ? I really  interested in the period.

[Aulis Vaara]

What first Breach? There was only ever the one.

Oh you know, the one where the closest thing Thedas has to the devil walked into the Black City with six other Magisters to claim the power of the gods themselves and unleashed a divine plague upon the world.

[sillymonkboy]

Oh you know, the one where the closest thing Thedas has to the devil walked into the Black City with six other Magisters to claim the power of the gods themselves and unleashed a divine plague upon the world.

Because that wasn't a Breach. They entered the Fade in a different way using different magic. The Breach only exists because things didn't go the way Cory planned and ended up with a magical over-pressure (explosion) so powerful that it literally obliterated a small (relatively) part of the Veil.

[Sifr]

The reason you can't go back further than the Breach is the same basic theoretical principle as using a wormhole for time travel.

 

The theory being that by accelerating one end of the wormhole to a high velocity relative to the other, relativistic time-dilation will cause one end to age faster than the other, thus sending it into the relative future? Someone entering from the future end of the wormhole would only be able to travel back as far as the initial formation of the wormhole and not before, as the wormhole had obviously yet to exist?

 

Likewise, Alexius is essentially using the Breach as a wormhole and the amulets are merely the tools he's using to control the destination, allowing him to propel himself backwards (or forwards) along to whatever time he desires... but only within the confines of any time where the Breach itself exists, because it's impossible to venture outside of it's timeline?

 

As for Corypheus and the other magisters entry into the Fade over a thousand years ago, it seems that hole was plugged? It's why time travel no longer works either after the Inquisitor seals the Breach, because with no wormhole open and allowing a fixed point in the past for one to connect to, one obviously cannot use it to travel back and forth?

[Aulis Vaara]

Because that wasn't a Breach. They entered the Fade in a different way using different magic. The Breach only exists because things didn't go the way Cory planned and ended up with a magical over-pressure (explosion) so powerful that it literally obliterated a small (relatively) part of the Veil.

 

I could buy that, but that doesn't explain why we can't go back to before the Veil.

Not that I really believe it. They had to make a hole in the Veil to step through, and a hole is a hole. Maybe they did it in the Deep Roads and all the Lyrium in there blocks the magic? That would certainly explain why they came back out of the Fade in the Deep Roads...

[thats1evildude]

I don't understand what's hard about this. Time travel is only possible within the Breach's timeline. It is the Breach that makes the magic possible.

 

Oh you know, the one where the closest thing Thedas has to the devil walked into the Black City with six other Magisters to claim the power of the gods themselves and unleashed a divine plague upon the world.

 

A Breach was not created at that time.

[LOLandStuff]

That Breach was an accident. And this "First Breach" was made intentionally. Which isn't the same thing.

Maybe it was a portal of some sorts or just managed to get through without damaging the Veil.

 

You just hang on to this "First Breach" idea, and people keep explaining to you, but you simply decide to ignore them.

 

This thread is silly.

[sillymonkboy]

I could buy that, but that doesn't explain why we can't go back to before the Veil.
Not that I really believe it. They had to make a hole in the Veil to step through, and a hole is a hole. Maybe they did it in the Deep Roads and all the Lyrium in there blocks the magic? That would certainly explain why they came back out of the Fade in the Deep Roads...

Sure it does.

Alexius' time magic did not work before the Breach despite all of Alexius' and Dorian's efforts. It was only the advent of the Breach that allowed it to work by flooding southern Thedas with incredible amounts of free raw magic. Time travel in this manner cannot function without this level of power, thus it cannot move beyond the temporal boundaries of the Breach.

A hole is not just a hole. The door to your house is a hole, but it is constructed in such a way that passing through it will not affect the structure of the wall. It can be opened or closed with ease, or barred from either side to prevent passage to all who do not have the correct key. On the other end of the spectrum, if I fire a shotgun at a house sized piece of tissue paper, the hole created will soon destroy the integrity of the entire structure, much like the one year hence future has destroyed most of the veil of Thedas.

The Magisters of old carefully constructed a door. The Breach was created by a block of C4.

[Master Warder Z_]

Semtex.

C4 is too expensive.

Semtex can be thrown together in your average workshop.

[sillymonkboy]

True. However ancient Elves were pompous and arrogant in their power, given to brash displays. Modern Thedas is lucky they didn't use ONE.

[Mr Plow]

someone should call The Doctor.  A Timelord could sort things out

[Catche Jagger]

Because the time travel idea was silly and poorly explained.