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[Xilizhra]

It's not as though worshiping the Maker made them any less inclined to magocracy, blood magic, and slavery (and, indeed, there's not even any indication that slavery went through a period of illegality like the other two). Putting aside the whole "will screw up and destroy the world instead" thing, how would Corypheus' rule lead to any real social regression for the Imperium?

[Red of Rivia]

It's not as though worshiping the Maker made them any less inclined to magocracy, blood magic, and slavery (and, indeed, there's not even any indication that slavery went through a period of illegality like the other two). Putting aside the whole "will screw up and destroy the world instead" thing, how would Corypheus' rule lead to any real social regression for the Imperium?

I think he wanted to bring Tevinter to what it was before, dominating Thedas, enslaving everyone ... and put the mages in power of the world, Tevinter mages , of course. In general, society would no longer be decant, they would be like gods compared to the rest. The first civilization, the most powerful. All thanks to the Elder One.

[Lumix19]

To be fair worship of the Maker did make them less open about blood magic, if not less inclined. And Corypheus would just destroy any progress Dorian's allies have made in convincing the magisterium to abandon their dreams of old glory. He's literally a living reminder of what the Imperium used to be.

[KaiserShep]

Using more elves as batteries.

[Qun00]

Corypheus is like the Dalish, and let's leave it at that.

[lordsaren101]

Corypheus was a visionary, I would have preferred support him instead of the inquisition and its pro-maker crappola. Unfortunately Corypheus blasphemes against Dumat and seeks to install himself as a god.

 

As far as setting Tevinter back, they do it to themselves Corypheus would have enabled them to reconquer the world, unfortunately Tevinter of today is vastly different, and they have forgotten their gods, turned against them even. They seek to restore an empire that is not worth restoring. Dumat gave them the might and power to forge the greatest empire ever seen. AS long as they cling to their selfish decadence and false barbarian imaginary deity aka the maker, they will never rise.

[Qun00]

Corypheus was a visionary, I would have preferred support him instead of the inquisition and its pro-maker crappola. Unfortunately Corypheus blasphemes against Dumat and seeks to install himself as a god.

As far as setting Tevinter back, they do it to themselves Corypheus would have enabled them to reconquer the world, unfortunately Tevinter of today is vastly different, and they have forgotten their gods, turned against them even. They seek to restore an empire that is not worth restoring. Dumat gave them the might and power to forge the greatest empire ever seen. AS long as they cling to their selfish decadence and false barbarian imaginary deity aka the maker, they will never rise.

They're just scavengers of elven culture and so is Corypheus.

[lordsaren101]

Perhaps. I will say this for the elves, they never strayed from their gods. Tevinter did when it became politically convenient to do so.

[Sah291]

Good question... Presumably not everyone in Tevinter wants to go back to having a big sprawling empire all over Thedas? From talking to Dorian it sounds like Tevinter at some point in the past probably did have a republic and some concept of liberty or freedom that got crushed under years of imperialism and political corruption. Now it sounds like that society is in decline once again, something new could come if it, but Corypheus is a throw back to the ancient empire...and all of the worst things that went along with it. It's like any time there is a major change or upheaval, the old power structure rears its head again.

[SgtSteel91]

Like, a thousand years ago Tevinter ruled the world. Maybe that was what Dorian was talking about?

[The Baconer]

Since he was going to turn the world into a Red-Lyrium and demon infested hellhole, I'd say most nations were going to be set back a thousand years. Or more.

[wiccame]

Maybe by having a Tevinter magister entering the fade (again), breaking into the golden/black city and stealing the power of the maker?

Any progress they have made by moving forward of that evil act and reputation would be at risk of starting all over again. Putting them right back in the same position as of a thousand years ago.

[Uccio]

There was nothing wrong with Corypheus main plan. In fact I support it. Only him being a darkspawn and wanting to become a god was the problem.

[Sifr]

Perhaps. I will say this for the elves, they never strayed from their gods. Tevinter did when it became politically convenient to do so.

 

The worship of the Old Gods was already waning long before the First Blight, according to a note written by one of Corypheus' servants that we can find in the Fade? It suggests that part of his initial motivation for entering the Fade and wanting to breach the Golden City in the first place was to show the power of the Old Gods to the rest of the Imperium, who had started to visit the Temples less and less?

 

After the Blight was unleashed and the corruption of an Old God into an Archdemon, it's not hard to see why when the Cult of the Maker became more prominent, that the Vints would decide to convert to a religion who's absent deity can't hulk out into a ravaging monster?

[Ashagar]

He basically wanted a return to the good old days when Tevinter ruled Thadas led by the Archon and the Magisterium, when there was order, peace brought was by the rule of empire and people's potential wasn't ignored because of their background something he actually laments about.

 

He also wanted the world to have a god that would answer the people's prayers like the old gods did until shortly before the magisters breached the golden city which is what lured the ancient Northern Neromenians/Tevinter away from following the maker leading them to only acknowledge him as the creator of the world and holding the golden city to be his seat.

[Ashagar]

The worship of the Old Gods was already waning long before the First Blight, according to a note written by one of Corypheus' servants that we can find in the Fade? It suggests that part of his initial motivation for entering the Fade and wanting to breach the Golden City in the first place was to show the power of the Old Gods to the rest of the Imperium, who had started to visit the Temples less and less?

 

After the Blight was unleashed and the corruption of an Old God into an Archdemon, it's not hard to see why when the Cult of the Maker became more prominent, that the Vints would decide to convert to a religion who's absent deity can't hulk out into a ravaging monster?

 

It likely helped as well that the Maker wasn't a foreign deity to the Tevinter unlike lets say the Avvar and elven gods but ones they already long belived existed even before they contacted the old gods, who had in their view created the world and had his seat in the golden city even if his worship wasn't part of the imperial cult of the old god.

 

Its likely what also angered them about Andreste given she was a escaped barbarian slave proclaiming a holy war on behalf of one of their own ancestral gods against them.

[TK514]

He basically wanted a return to the good old days when Tevinter ruled Thadas led by the Archon and the Magisterium, when there was order, peace brought was by the rule of empire and people's potential wasn't ignored because of their background something he actually laments about.

 

He also wanted the world to have a god that would answer the people's prayers like the old gods did until shortly before the magisters breached the golden city which is what lured the ancient Northern Neromenians/Tevinter away from following the maker leading them to only acknowledge him as the creator of the world and holding the golden city to be his seat.

 

I generally agree with this.  What I wish had been given more detail and explanation is why he felt the course of action he took in an attempt to achieve these goals was necessary.  Specifically getting back to the Black City.  What was there that he needed to accomplish his goals?  We know from Legacy that he and his fellows actually breached the city, but not what they did after.  We know it was black, but that's it.  Did they explore?  Did they get kicked back out the moment they stepped in?  If they did explore before leaving, what did they find?  He seems pretty convinced that the Throne of the Maker is not only real, but necessary.  I'd love to know why.

 

Without that information, they only thing I can see that going physically into the Fade gets him is separated from the people he intends to lead.  He's already got nearly godlike abilities, he's functionally immortal and doesn't age, and he's intelligent enough to mange multiple complex, continent-spanning long-term plots at once.  If he really wanted to lead Tevinter into a new golden age, I'm not sure why he didn't start by showing up in the Magisterium during a conclave and announcing "I'm back.  Want to be a winner again?  Follow the Immortal Super Mage."  I have no doubt he'd have gotten more than enough converts on the spot to take over.

 

I'm also curious how aware he was of the Qunari and the threat they pose to Tevinter, and what he had planned for them.

 

The more I think of Corypheus' story and setting potential, the more irritated I am at how badly the writers botched using him in Inquisition.

[Wulfram]

The need to keep your blood magic at least semi-covert would presumably lead to some restraint.

[lordsaren101]

The only way Tevinter would find a new golden age is renewed faith in Dumat.

[Sir JK]

It's not as though worshiping the Maker made them any less inclined to magocracy, blood magic, and slavery (and, indeed, there's not even any indication that slavery went through a period of illegality like the other two). Putting aside the whole "will screw up and destroy the world instead" thing, how would Corypheus' rule lead to any real social regression for the Imperium?

 

Remember that our friend Corypheus is 1,5 thousand years old. The tevinter of today is not the same imperium he grew up in. It might carry it's legacy, but it's gone through 60 generations (yeah... sixty) worth of change. 1500 years of restructuring, of technological advancement, of medical understanding, of sea-charts and trade lanes.

 

He's an old mage-priest of Dumat, he comes from a time when the only continental cultures was the Tevinter priestly elite and the Dwarven empire. Neither of which exists anymore. He comes from an era before Orlesians, Dalish, Grey Wardens and most crucially Qunari. He never learned the lessons of the Blights, of the first Exalted March that brought the imperium down, of the Transfigurations that for a brief time made magic controlled, of the subsequent Exalted Marches and of a perpetual war with the Qunari.

 

He does not understand cannons, nor has he experienced the extinction of griffons and dragons (even if they came back). When he lived, lyrium would be mined all over (or more accurately: under) Thedas and brought to the gates of Minrathous quickly, expediently and cheaply through the Deep Roads. An impossibility today, and nothing he does as a ruler would change that.

 

Corypheus lacks a millenia of a experiences that the Tevinters have gone through and adapted to. For all their similarities, they have changed over and over again in that period.

 

That's why he would have dragged Tevinter back a thousand years: Because the world he understands only remains in his memories. He might as well have woken up on an alien world for all intents and purposes.

 

I suppose that's why becoming a god is the logical step. It's the only way he'll ever see the world he knew again.

[Steelcan]

by reviving the culture of Tevinter a millennia past, throwing out the Chantry and anything it has changed in Tevinter

[Br3admax]

The only way Tevinter would find a new golden age is renewed faith in Dumat.

Because what started the decline of the empire will bring about its renewal? Riiiiiight. 

[lordsaren101]

Dumat didnt start the decline, human greed did, the chantry further weakens it.

[Br3admax]

False. The ritual was started because of the gradual decline and encouragement from what the magisters at least thought was the Old Gods. And considering that without the Chantry, the Magisters would be speaking Qunlat right now, I say count your blessings. The Maker gives so few of them. 

[Nefla]

Because Dorian is a Drama Llama.