I can handle collectors, in fact I find them to be the easiest faction by far on platinum, but I still hate them. Too many bullet sponge enemies which just feels like lazy artificial difficulty to me instead of an actual challenge -- basically making enemies take longer to kill instead of actually making them "smarter" or more diverse.
And somehow nothing in the entire game annoys me more than having my powers locked by a possessed seeker swarm that explodes twenty meters away.
Condor's glitches make it a bad map, I'd mind it less if I didn't run into so much weirdness, like people getting stuck in the landing zone and not being able to take cover, plus the problems with the ammo boxes. I feel the map itself would be quite pedestrian without such problems.
So many folks drop out of these games or complain about it or just always getting downed non-stop. To them I suggest to maybe stick with presets from now on.
Dude what the Pyjak S'hitflinger are you doing on these boards if you haven't figured out that the bolded is what we're here to do.
Almost all enemy attacks can go through walls on condor. I was once hit through hard cover on host. WTF. It's still better than dagger hazard, white hazard and Rio in terms of design though.
As for collectors, they are wonderful. I enjoy fighting them. They push you to the limits. By far the best faction. They are the only faction with an answer to every attack in our arsenal.
If you're going to blindly like posts I make on Cerberus, I think I'll have to blindly start liking post you make on Collectors!
I would like Condor if it wasn't so friggin' glitchy
I do like Collectors - they're a bit of a an entire glass cannon faction; they can really deal out punishment if you screw up but they don't have any tedious bullet-sponge (Atlas, Prime, Banshee) units. Praetorians are the closest thing but they've got an easy-to-hit headbox and a debilitating stagger (when they sort of jump/roll backwards). I suppose Scions to some extent, but again, massive vulnerable spot.
Condor with its unpredictable ammo supply, cover glitches, unavailable team mates, is the closest to the experience of the Reaper war. And it's gorgeous, maybe the best map for visual scale.
Collectors are challenging too, but the BS aspects are less predictable. I find some of it annoying. Shoot a Trooper down to one health bar and he suddenly decides to become possessed, fully regenerating shields and health in the process. And bees.
I like Condor /collectors. It is a nice map with a challenging faction. While everyone complains about how glitchy is the map, I do not have anything to complain about. Some hacks can be a nightmare but this holds for other maps as well. Lack of ammo and lack of long corridors with RHA just adds to the challenge, I like it. Also it is Menea and you can see Palaven. What else you want?
Also, there is a way to play the map which gives decent RHA. Rush the spawn point at the LZ from the left, this gives a decent RHA. Then turn back and either use the ramp for RHA (if the enemy is aggressive and/or you were slow) or run up to the Macko to get RHA against the upper spawn. Then repeat. If you caught in the middle, well, then it is problem, and this is where the fun begins ... Also this pattern is not set in stone, if teammates are good enough you can roam the map. i like it. Did I mention Palaven?
Didn't know what to expect when I started this topic. Was kind of hoping I pushed a few buttons but guess it's best things worked out....
Also, of all the DLC maps, I think Condor is the best. All other DLC maps get boring much faster or something (ie. Rio, Hydra, Vancouver and London are DLC maps I just don't have much fun on. But not because of difficulty. Of the originals, I only don't like Reactor).
I don't hate either Collector or Condor. That being said, both can be quite irritating sometimes.
With Collectors, I dislike the most troopers/captains and their super hitting weapons. Sometimes they kill me with full health with about 3-5 shots. Not fun at all.
As for Condor, I think majority dislikes it because of horrible ammo boxes. They give max 1 grenade once in a while and they also don't give all that much ammo either. And if there happens to be multiple team members with weapons that uses lots of ammo..... problematic. Also, Condor lags quite badly for some players.
1 Grenade per box is a good thing because it slows down Grenade spawner by a small percentage (just too bad nade capacity & clip packs are still to much).
And all this ammo complaints. Come on. Harrier Condor/Hazard Dagger is a good thing too. Puts hair on your back.
Condor cover is all cosmetic. And there's not one place that you can't be shot from multiple angles. Not to mention the map is insanely glitchy and touchy.
Collectors just amplify the BS, but to be fair any faction can be annoying on Condor.
To clarify, I didn't mean Condor and Collectors together. I meant either separate or together.
Condor has a lot of problems. It's got a reputation as a lagmap like Rio, but it's worse than Rio because many of the meshes for cover are unreliable at stopping projectiles, especially Geth Prime pulses, Scion projectiles, Banshee warps and Ravager missiles. Also, Praetorians and Banshees can travel unusually long distances via the ramps on that map.
All DLC maps have lag issues. Especially some of the Hazard maps like Ghost (the map with the biggest lag issues by a longshot). And when you get the waiting for other players msg, don't worry about it as it would of been too laggy anyway. PS - this msg also comes up for Vancouver map and it's hard to tell which one it is because both have flying craft noises. But most blame it on Condor.
I don't mind either of them,it just sounds like you had the typical pug evening.
No, nothing of the sort. This is going from memory of all my time playing this game. When pugs bomb, they always bomb hardest VS Collectors or on Condor or both. Sometimes they don't even put the effort and bail ASAP. That's how bad it is.
But I'll tell you this. Collectors = best faction. Condor = one of the best maps. Either of these things require playing somewhat well enough. Why they are so great. The problem never is that this faction sucks or that stage has too many bugs. It's always folks not being able to handle them. Because sadly for most if it's not easy, it's not fun.
Ditto goes for crabs. You don't have to fight them if you don't know how + aren't they like the only major bosses with a wave cap limit? Man, I wish that never was the case. I want them pugs to suffer more.
I'm not a fan of Condor because it's way too easy to get overrun on that board. There's no real smart cover, unless you're camping the hill, but then you're out of position for most spawns.
Collectors are annoying for two reasons:
1. Swarms do way too much damage when exploding
2. Inconsistent hit boxes on Scions and Pratoreans. Dead-on shots go straight through them with no damage
With that said, I wouldn't leave a session over it. I don't discriminate when pimp-handing
I never experienced this "shots going through cover" issue. At least I can't recall anything. You either have proper cover or not, just like any other map.
Also note that guard rail cover on this map have visual holes in them. That's not cover not working, it's you not being in cover.
My host does funny things to Condor... I wouldn't wanna bestow it upon anyone XD
Example:
Other than that, there's a high chance that people who join get stuck at the LZ and can't move or enemies become invisible. This map is just derpy
Wow, look at how much fun & laughter you guys are having. How anyone can hate such excitement is beyond me.
Great video by the way.
Condor tends to be my least enjoyed map simply because
1. The ammo boxes are in really unintuitive locations, and seem to take far too long to recharge.
2. Far too open with very few locations that provide decent soft cover
3. (tied into 2) Objectives are often miserable on this map because they will be in the open with practically no cover nearby.
Still I don't outright hate condor, and I have these same issues with a map like Jade
As for Collectors I wouldn't mind them, but several of their units are outright broken/buggy and many of their units are outright bullet sponges when possessed. I just don't enjoy fighting them as much as other factions.
*edit also condor is the map that most often seems to cause glitches with the game, and I also seem to get the most problems with crashes and disconnects on the map.
I think Jade is a harder map. Condor is never too hard because it's so big. Part of the reason why it's such a great map, as it's the only large map that's still exciting enough.
I used to not like Condor, but now I'm OK with it. Aside from few quirks, it's manageable. The real problem is London. You have far more cover that is no cover and you are exposed far more than on Condor. I've learned to handle Condor as a caster class (weapon master/sniper was already easy enough) but London is still a pain.
As far as Collectors go, they are probably my favorite faction, both on Gold (for soloing) and Plat (for 2+ players). Yes. they can be dangerous, but they don't have much bullshit, aside from the crab, and even that one you can learn to manage as well as the other stuff, if you know the maps well enough.
So far, the things I dislike the most are London/Geth/Plat and any Cerberus/Gold solo.
p.s. To address the OP, I guess people don't like stuff that cannot be influenced by the player's skill. To me, however, there are a far worse offenders.
Yes, other worse offenders. So Condor reputation is kind of a mystery to me sometimes.
No, the best map is Ghost Hazard. And it also happens to be the most hardware intensive, so without a good enough host and connection, expect much more excitement,
I can handle collectors, in fact I find them to be the easiest faction by far on platinum, but I still hate them. Too many bullet sponge enemies which just feels like lazy artificial difficulty to me instead of an actual challenge -- basically making enemies take longer to kill instead of actually making them "smarter" or more diverse.
With all the OP weapons and cheese we have access to, you find this to be an issue? I find it to be the solution. ... But it's still not enough. BioWare still kept us way more powerful then any enemy and faction.
I hate Collectors because I find them both boring and annoying : low diversity of enemies, irritating pets (webs, seekers, a-bombs) and big slow moving bullets sponges bosses.
condor... all the bugs, otherwise the map isnt bad other than the one hack at the pipes. which london has just as bad hack spots.
collectors... only thing hard about them is the captains that do insane damage and the super swarms that get on me because some teammates just wont kill them when they come their way. i would rather fight collectors platinum than geth platinum anyday just because primes shooting through the smallest gap all the way across the map.
really tho, either is fine with a team that is not going full retard.
Not really. They have the lowest number of enemies out of all the factions, and their two mooks look the same and basically do the same things, apart from spawning webs and annoying bees.
To make it clear, I enjoy playing collectors, I just don't think they have more diversity than any other faction.
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How anyone can hate such excitement is beyond me.
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I find it to be the solution. ... But it's still not enough. BioWare still kept us way more powerful then any enemy and faction.
