With all the OP weapons and cheese we have access to, you find this to be an issue?
I find it to be the solution. ... But it's still not enough. BioWare still kept us way more powerful then any enemy and faction.
I don't always want to be using OP weapons and cheese.
Low diversity? wat
They have the most diversity out of all factions.
Psst. I think he's on PS3. 
I don't have a problem with Condor or the Collectors; they both have their own challenges.
Condor - For the longest time I thought my shields/cyclonics were glitched on this map. Same character, same build, but the shields seemed weak. Reading the above, maybe it's just the lack of working cover. Has anybody else seen a shield glitch on Condor?
Collectors - They are a challenge with a hack out in the open, on most maps. PUGs (gold and above) add to the challenge.
Low diversity? wat
They have the most diversity out of all factions.
QFT.
With just 5 basic enemies, they have so many more modes of attacking than other factions. Locking powers, nerfing accuracy, seeking projectiles, carpet bombing, enemies that rush you, big armor, AoE explosions, DoT, shield regen delaying attacks, webs that restrict movement, stun shots, sync kill, melee and of course the shooting with high DPS - so much more than what other factions with more enemy types can do.
The other factions' attack modes are merely a subset of what collectors have.
Diversity is not just the number of enemy types, it's what they can do.
Not really. They have the lowest number of enemies out of all the factions, and their two mooks look the same and basically do the same things, apart from spawning webs and annoying bees.
To make it clear, I enjoy playing collectors, I just don't think they have more diversity than any other faction.
LoL OK, if you want to take it that way.
Entire Cerberus except Dragoons ****** hides in cover all the time and Atlases are too slow to get anywhere.
All the Geth walk mindlessly at you with the speed of a snail and stagger you at any given chance. The only difference is the range (Flame Trooper&Bomber vs the rest of the faction).
Collectors and Reapers are extremely similar (you could liken Sion to Ravager, Banshee to Praetorian, Husk to Abomination, Cannibal&Marauder to Trooper&Captain, which leaves the Brute without comparison).
On top of all of that, all collector units can get possessed, granting them at least extra barriers if not additional abilities, and therefore an entire new dimension of play&counterplay. They also spawn Swarms and drop Webs.
The units in all factions? 5 in Collectors vs 6 in every other faction - much difference, very number, hurr durr.
edit: Cerberus has 7 different units, but hardly make up for that in the diversity department.
You should play on pc,we have space magic to fix that problem.
Yeah I know. Only too bad it has no gamepad support...
Collectors - They are a challenge with a hack out in the open, on most maps. PUGs (gold and above) add to the challenge.
Poor pugs in general make Collectors way harder then they are. But when the excitement level is just right with just the right pugs (ie. not too OP & no Scion nade revive pileups), playing Collectors is a blast.
Diversity is not just the number of enemy types, it's what they can do.
That is how you, and clearly Heldarion too, see it. While I understand that, I see it differently, and the different types of enemies is a huge deal to me 
Probably part of why I like Cerberus so much 
edit: Cerberus has 7 different units, but hardly make up for that in the diversity department.
8 
8
What did I forget this time?
edit:
Guardians.
Their impact is as big as their number.
1)Collector Trooper
2)Possessed Collector Trooper
3)Captain
4)Possessed Captain
5)Abomination
6)Possessed Abomination
7)Scion
8)Possessed Scion
9)Crab
10)Enraged Crab
I count ten units not counting pets. If Cerberus Goons count as another unit then possessed units are other units. Lolgoon= Possessed BDSM Engineer that the Illusive Man stole turret from.
What did I forget this time?
I'm guessing guardian or nemesis.
So easy to forget them.
What did I forget this time?
Hmm....Troopers, Centurians, Guardians(probably since they are an endangered species), Dragons(fire breathing of course), Phantoms, Nemesis, Engineer, Atlas
It's kinda ironic how monodimensional Cerberus is, given the number of different units.
1)Collector Trooper
2)Possessed Collector Trooper
3)Captain
4)Possessed Captain
5)Abomination
6)Possessed Abomination
7)Scion
8)Possessed Scion
9)Crab
10)Enraged Crab
Not sure if this was intentional but I like the fact that you used the word 'enraged' for crabs unlike the others where you used possessed. Possessed praetorians sure are enraged.
How beautiful it would be to have:
a, turret
b, enraged turret.
B is possible. It is the cloaked form which causes whole team wipes
But if we count Guardians and Nemeses, let's include swarms with Collectors, since those are more dangerous than the earlier two.
B is possible. It is the cloaked form which causes whole team wipes
Yes but I want a turret with barriers and stagger melee, which makes giant leaps towards you!
Yes but I want a turret with barriers and stagger melee, which makes giant leaps towards you!
I want a turret that shoots around corners.
Wait, that's Geth Prime.
I want a turret that shoots around corners.
Wait, that's Geth Prime.
They have been known to surf on rockets as well so there is that.
I want a turret that shoots around corners.
Wait, that's Geth Prime.
With almost the same DPS, to boot....
I find Condor annoying for solos because of all the angles you can be hit from coupled with hard cover sometimes being as useful as trying to play herp-derp Rambo, but I don't hate the map. Collectors have their cheap bs moments, but what faction doesn't? They're still better than no-prime auto-sync phantoms, turrets that seem to have thread a needle 200ft out accuracy with enough power to drop a full health and shielded life spec Juggernaut or Warlord in one-two barrages, the phase shifter cloak of geth hunters, and stun lock spam.
So let me make sure I still got this right. Most folks hate Condor because it's a challenge, but use the "It's too glitchy" excuse to prevent epeen from deflating. Correct?
So let me make sure I still got this right. Most folks hate Condor because it's a challenge, but use the "It's too glitchy" excuse to prevent epeen from deflating. Correct?
1. Where did you get "most folks" from?
2. Platinum is supposed to be more of a challenge than Gold. So they created artificial difficulty, that's not challenge, that's moronic. Much like giving you cover that doesn't work isn't a challenge, but is moronic.
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