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[Qun00]

Do you need to be determined to say and do stuff s/he doesn't like at all times?

Does it become impossible if you do anything that gets a "greatly approves" even once?

[katerinafm]

Yep, pretty much. You need to micromanage where you take them, and not even think about doing their companion quests as that pretty much makes you their friend regardless. It's extremely hard to have characters disapprove of you greatly without micromanaging. My evil character that was mean (or at least as mean as the game let me since DAI has toned down how evil you can be) only had Solas disapprove of me so much that I had the option to punch him in the face.

[Inverse_Twilight]

Yep, pretty much. You need to micromanage where you take them, and not even think about doing their companion quests as that pretty much makes you their friend regardless. It's extremely hard to have characters disapprove of you greatly without micromanaging. My evil character that was mean (or at least as mean as the game let me since DAI has toned down how evil you can be) only had Solas disapprove of me so much that I had the option to punch him in the face.

You got the option to punch Solas? I have been trying to make him hate me enough to punch him, but he still likes me. I really need to stop asking him questions. Lol.

[katerinafm]

You got the option to punch Solas? I have been trying to make him hate me enough to punch him, but he still likes me. I really need to stop asking him questions. Lol.

 

I asked him questions too (I always do all the dialogue), but I just disagreed with him on everything regarding the fade and spirits. And I sided with the templars, so I was able to have the hate convo right after Skyhold.

[trevelyan_shep]

I accidentally got his disapproval scene where you could punch him. I wasnt even trying but my action garnered some great disapproval from him.

[Mr Plow]

you should have kicked him in the orbs while you were at it too

[Shari'El]

It was very easy for me to have Vivienne utterly hate me, but I suppose it depends on the player? I didn't even try

[Forsythia77]

Yep, pretty much. You need to micromanage where you take them, and not even think about doing their companion quests as that pretty much makes you their friend regardless. It's extremely hard to have characters disapprove of you greatly without micromanaging. My evil character that was mean (or at least as mean as the game let me since DAI has toned down how evil you can be) only had Solas disapprove of me so much that I had the option to punch him in the face.

 

I didn't do much micromanaging of Viv to get her to hate me in my last game.  I refused to do her Wyvern quest and was all pro mage freedom and chose the things she disapproved of w/o her in mind and the next thing I know the broad is redecorating my balcony.

[Mikka-chan]

The one I found really hard to get to hate you is Cole, as Cole gets approval even when he's not in the party (one moment in particular, that I can remember, is rescuing those imprisoned in the cards in EdL).  If you do actually take him in the party, he'll get approval if you do anything nice for anyone ever, basically.  He's also difficult to judge with the judgements, as he'll surprisingly approve of some of the harsher ones that all your other companions basically hate.

 

If you do the Mage rather then the Templar path, and then let him make his 'mercy' kill at your first real conversation, you're a bit closer- he warns you that he doesn't like what you do and refuses to talk about his past and Rhys.  I think then you'll just have to never take him in the party, get Celene killed, and reload with judgements till you find the one he hates.  Then you might be able to get him storming out.

 

 

Blackwall, I found, was easy enough to get him pissed at me.  In your first conversation at Skyhold, tell him you like having people worship you- that'll give you a good bump down, and he'll tell you he doesn't like the way the Inquisition is being lead and refuse to gossip with you.  When you get to Skyhold, yell at him about how he's not allowed to sacrifice himself.  If you're a gal, never flirt, obviously, and don't even ask about picking up the Warden artifacts.  Conscript either the templars and the mages (he doesn't like conscription), again get Celene killed, and then exile the Grey Wardens.  He should stomp off with them.  Hopefully?

 

 

Solas and Viv I've also managed to seriously anger, as with Sera (although I don't think any of them storm off on their own- maybe Sera if you get in a screaming arguement with her after the Red Jenny quest?).  Dorian I'm still trying to figure out how to anger, but as he's my favorite character, I'm not really doing it too hard.

 

 

Currently on a trying-to-anger Cassandra playthrough with a Qunari mage who Hates The Maker (for no real reason, as she hates the Qun too).  Iron Bull might actually be easier to anger as a Qunari as you can yell at him about the Qun a bit, but I haven't really noticed any change in him.  He's still pretty professional to me.

[Qun00]

I didn't do much micromanaging of Viv to get her to hate me in my last game. I refused to do her Wyvern quest and was all pro mage freedom and chose the things she disapproved of w/o her in mind and the next thing I know the broad is redecorating my balcony.

But here's the thing... I want the redecorating scene to happen before the wyvern quest, that way it works as a payback (wrong heart).

That means trying to get the highest disapproval before Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts, as the wyvern quest starts after that.

[FadelessRipley]

Do they ever actually leave? Pre-release, BioWare were saying that you could theoretically reach the endgame with just one companion left (who I assumed would be Cassandra, she can't exactly abandon the Inquisition she co-founded!). As always I strive to get all of them to like me, but I tried messing about with some saves for the laugh to see what the narratives were like. No one has stormed off in any playthroughs of people I know, either. 

[Mewlss]

OP - you have the right idea in order to get low approval ratings, but no, I don't think it's impossible to get very low approval rating even if your party members Greatly Approve, that only adds +3 Approval Points, which can simply be lost even if you get Slightly Disapproves -1 or just Disapproves' -2 and Greatly Disapproves is -3 Approval points. Point is, if you get one great approval from whatever character, you can still lose it but it might be a little more difficult, you'll just have to try a bit harder.

[Inverse_Twilight]

Do they ever actually leave? Pre-release, BioWare were saying that you could theoretically reach the endgame with just one companion left (who I assumed would be Cassandra, she can't exactly abandon the Inquisition she co-founded!). As always I strive to get all of them to like me, but I tried messing about with some saves for the laugh to see what the narratives were like. No one has stormed off in any playthroughs of people I know, either. 

I think most of them will threaten to leave if they disapprove enough. Im pretty sure you can try to get them to stay too. I dont think Varric, Cass or Solas will leave during the main game. I think they set it up so you would atleast be able to have a full party in the end. Haven't had anyone hate me yet. I'm just starting my evil playthrough, so I will have to see how it goes.

[Inverse_Twilight]

OP - you have the right idea in order to get low approval ratings, but no, I don't think it's impossible to get very low approval rating even if your party members Greatly Approve, that only adds +3 Approval Points, which can simply be lost even if you get Slightly Disapproves -1 or just Disapproves' -2 and Greatly Disapproves is -3 Approval points. Point is, if you get one great approval from whatever character, you can still lose it but it might be a little more difficult, you'll just have to try a bit harder.

Im pretty sure that Greatly Disapproves is -15 or -20, Disapproves is -5 and Slightly Disapproves is -1. If that is the case, I dont think it would be that hard to get the disapproval conversations with your companions. But I think you would have to do lots of micromanaging.

[Nightingale]

This all sounds like so much fun  I've never had anybody hate me enough to get the scene for it (I may just try to anger as many people as possible on my next playthrough), so I have no real advice. Though, Vivienne greatly disapproves if you

Spoiler

put Briala in power at Halamshiral by killing Celene.

So if you can get it low enough before Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts, that may just do it. Of course, I think the wyvern quest would override the "you're a terrible person and I don't like you" scene, so...nevermind?

 

And yeah, Greatly Disapproves is absolutely worth more than 3, despite what the official guide implies. You'd need quite a lot of Slightly Disapproves to make up for even a single Greatly Approves.

 

Do they ever actually leave? Pre-release, BioWare were saying that you could theoretically reach the endgame with just one companion left (who I assumed would be Cassandra, she can't exactly abandon the Inquisition she co-founded!). As always I strive to get all of them to like me, but I tried messing about with some saves for the laugh to see what the narratives were like. No one has stormed off in any playthroughs of people I know, either. 

 

I don't know if they leave, but I do remember BW saying that. I think Varric is the one that stays no matter what.

Spoiler

You can simply not recruit the other six, Cassandra can be Divine and leave, and Solas always leaves.

[Forsythia77]

I was under the impression that Vivian will never leave once you recruit her. She just gets bitchier and more passive aggressive.  At the end she says she is going back to Val Royeaux if she is not chosen as Divine. 

[Mikka-chan]

Do they ever actually leave? Pre-release, BioWare were saying that you could theoretically reach the endgame with just one companion left (who I assumed would be Cassandra, she can't exactly abandon the Inquisition she co-founded!). As always I strive to get all of them to like me, but I tried messing about with some saves for the laugh to see what the narratives were like. No one has stormed off in any playthroughs of people I know, either. 

 

In my experience:

++ You can ask Sera to leave at any time.  After her personal mission (where she can end up going crazy on the noble), you can if you so choose basically get in a screaming row with her.  At that point, you have a much nastier way of telling her to leave, but it's still you ordering.

++ Dorian if at low approval will suggest he could be doing more in Tevinter, in which you can encourage him to go get out and do that, and he'll walk.  I can't remember if it's part of that conversation or the next one, but if you punch him at his serious crisis point when he rants at you, he will walk out even if you try to convince him to stay.

++ If you get his affection low enough, Cole will walk out without you asking.  If you try and stop him, he'll get angry and erase your memory of him.

++ Cassandra and Viv will never leave.  I've heard rumors that if they seriously dislike you and are made Divine they may refuse to 'rejoin the party' after the game when you talk to them and ask them to stick around, but that's only rumors.

++ Varric and Iron Bull will also never leave... I think.  As I said, I don't think I've ever dropped Iron Bull's affection low enough to see for certain, and I haven't seen Varric's crisis point (like the punching scenes or Cass getting drunk in the tavern) despite trying to be horrible to him.  I even let Hawke die in front of him, and he stuck around- people from before the game had been released thought that was when he would leave you, but he didn't leave me.  Still, maybe he wasn't low enough.

++ Solas will not leave you during normal gameplay, and in fact will mock you that you can't get rid of him because he's your Fade Expert and You Need Him if you punch him.

++ Blackwall is the one I haven't figured out.  I *think* if you really anger him severely and then exile the Wardens, rather then ask you if he can stay, he'll stomp off with him, but I need to test this one to be sure.  He also sort of wanders off during his personal quest, and you can simply never take him back/leave him to rot, which is like leaving?  Hm.

[congokong]

It requires serious meta-gaming. It's not like DA2 where simply taking certain views gears characters towards friendship/rivalry. They really messed up the approval system this game. You'd think they'd have known what works by now.

 

On my darker playthrough I got Cassandra, Solas, Vivienne, and Dorian to all dislike me. Solas and Dorian got punched. it was very easy to get Cassandra's disapproval. She reminds me of Aveline and Alistair where it's easy/fun to get under her skin. I don't recall her ever approving of a bottom answer. The same goes for Dorian.

[Mewlss]

Im pretty sure that Greatly Disapproves is -15 or -20, Disapproves is -5 and Slightly Disapproves is -1. If that is the case, I dont think it would be that hard to get the disapproval conversations with your companions. But I think you would have to do lots of micromanaging.

Thanks for correcting me, then. Honestly I was just going by what I remember reading a while back when I was tryin' to find out where I could check the rating levels.. Anyway, when I was reading the information, it said it was specific to Dragon Age: Inquisition, didn't think to refer back to the other games. Sorry 'bout that.  Oddly enough, the other information given on that page was accurate. 

 

'Tis a shame there is no way of finding out what your approval ratings are with each character beyond tarot cards or when interacting with 'em.

Do they ever actually leave? Pre-release, BioWare were saying that you could theoretically reach the endgame with just one companion left (who I assumed would be Cassandra, she can't exactly abandon the Inquisition she co-founded!). As always I strive to get all of them to like me, but I tried messing about with some saves for the laugh to see what the narratives were like. No one has stormed off in any playthroughs of people I know, either.  

 

I think Cassandra and Solas are the only companions that don't leave in the main game. When I was experimenting I was able to get rid of all but Cassandra, Solas, Varric (don't know how or if you can get him to leave, probably not, though), and Iron Bull (romance probs.) So pretty much if you have your approval rating low enough with the non-essential companions, they'll eventually figure you're not really doing much to help, and they'll leave, basically thinking they can help better elsewhere. It would take a lot of micromanaging, though. 

 

LMAO. I have to say how ridiculously easy to make Solas hate you, all you have to do to start it is conscript the Templars, stand up for the Dalish, say his Rift adventures are stupid and don't disband the Grey Wardens, and next thing you know: BAM! Lo' and behold an angry Solas!

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

I skipped varrics red lyrium quest. 
Sided with cassandra in the tavern fight. 
Never did anything to appease Varric.
Left Hawke to die in the fight.

Nope... guy still loves me. Approval system is broken as hell

[veeia]

Blackwall will leave if your approval is too low. I don't know if it has to be after the Wardens quest or not, but he does leave during his disapproval scene.

 

I've gotten his, Solas, Cole, and Dorian to the disapproval scenes. None of them were on purpose. 

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Nope... guy still loves me. Approval system is broken as hell

It is even worse when you think about the absence of approval bar or friendship/rivalry bar. How the heck do I suppose to know if my companion love or hate me or how much progress I made to earn their approval. 

[draken-heart]

I try to go out of my way to complete everything, so I have never actually experienced anything like this.

[veeia]

I like them, actually. The disapproval path is really interesting and illuminating on a character level. I particularly liked Solas's. Also, there's a lot of asskissing in the game, lmao, so having at least one companion who hates my character is ...nice?

 

Wish it was easier for me to trigger the other characters though. 

[Mikka-chan]

Thanks for correcting me, then. Honestly I was just going by what I remember reading a while back when I was tryin' to find out where I could check the rating levels.. Anyway, when I was reading the information, it said it was specific to Dragon Age: Inquisition, didn't think to refer back to the other games. Sorry 'bout that.  Oddly enough, the other information given on that page was accurate. 

 

'Tis a shame there is no way of finding out what your approval ratings are with each character beyond tarot cards or when interacting with 'em.

 

I think Cassandra and Solas are the only companions that don't leave in the main game. When I was experimenting I was able to get rid of all but Cassandra, Solas, Varric (don't know how or if you can get him to leave, probably not, though), and Iron Bull (romance probs.) So pretty much if you have your approval rating low enough with the non-essential companions, they'll eventually figure you're not really doing much to help, and they'll leave, basically thinking they can help better elsewhere. It would take a lot of micromanaging, though. 

 

LMAO. I have to say how ridiculously easy to make Solas hate you, all you have to do to start it is choose the Templars, stand up for the Dalish, say his Rift adventures are stupid and don't disband the Grey Wardens, and next thing you know: BAM! Lo' and behold an angry Solas!

 

Okay, how did you get rid of Viv?  What did she say when leaving?  I thought I got her to the ultimate low hatred RARGH and did everything I could to annoy her, but she was still there.  I thought she had to stay because of the Divine thing, actually.