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[Patient.Zero]

I don't really mind Sera one way or another.  She's not on any kind of pedestal, but I do think she's a nice change form the usual companion  characters. That being said though, I've seen a lot of hate for her. People saying that she's stupid or racist and I don't really see it, particularly the racist bit. Like for instance I've seen her reaction to the inquisitor's removed vallaslin used as evidence of her hating the Dalish (and after watching a clip on youtube) I think differently. Her reaction was probably the most insightful of your companions, she points out the glaringly obvious fact that nobody knows a thing about the elves including the Dalish. 

 

The people of Thedas (and apparently earth as well) go on and on about how the elves are absolutely marvellous and all their misfortune is due to external factors when the fact of the matter is, they're just people. They make mistakes and put their trousers on one leg at a time like everybody else. The fall of Elvhenan was their own fault, and the Dalish are prancing around in the woods telling themselves they're superior whilst slave markings are tattooed to their faces. The fact the nobody actually knows anything about elves or elven culture, but continues to insist that the elves are the coolest thing since sliced bread is pretty nonsensical. Sera's is just the one thats points this out. I don't think being able to see the elves as the-equal-to-everybody-else-people-that-they-are as racist. But I guess thats why I'm asking for your opinion. 

[AlexMBrennan]

Being not wrong about one thing doesn't make Sera a wise, nice person in general - for example, if anyone I know demanded that I convert to their religion I would tell them to hell. Bioware set out to make an obnoxious hateable character, and they succeeded (you would have gotten the exact same reaction if IB demanded you renounce your religion and convert to the qun in order to talk to him). So why are you surprised people hate Sera?

[Patient.Zero]

I'm sorry when does she ask you to convert? My inquisitor didn't experienced that  also I didn't say Sera was wise, I just feel as though her opinions about the elves however unpopular they may be, are rational ones. I don't think that makes her a not nice person.

[Cariel]

I don't think there's anything wrong with any of the companions. They're all given flaws that make them more realistic. I think it's that certain flaws are more palatable to the general gamer populace and that's what leads to hate for certain characters. Sera's flaw is that she's completely unapologetic, and by that I mean she's not an apologist for any given faction (apart from the 'little people' she claims to fight for,) and that makes it harder for the pc to relate to her. I don't think she's racist either, if she discriminates against anyone it's because of their social status, not their race. I see her as a force to correct an imbalance borne of an imperfect world. I found pretty much everything she said to be refreshing and unique, and no, I didn't agree with most of it. So what? If I were an especially sensitive person, maybe I would agree with certain fans who would like to 'correct' Sera, but I'm not. That would completely cheapen the game for me.

[sillymonkboy]

Sera was never quite an agreeable girl.

[caradoc2000]

I'm sorry when does she ask you to convert? My inquisitor didn't experienced that

Spoiler

At the temple of Mythal, If you are romancing her as an elf and you make certain choices, she will essentially tell you to forsake your heritage. If you don't she will dump you like a bad penny.

[Dieb]

Don't be suprised people hate her.

 

She was written to have an extreme personality, do & say irrational things and be judgmental & bigoted about others. It's wrong many a times, but writing-wise, you can always see where she's coming from - if you hate that, well then you have every reason to do so.

 

I simply happen to not do so, and as it goes with spending time with people, get to keep her from doing most of the overly silly stuff. With all the obvious bullshit she spouts, I ruffle her hair and think "Aw, you'll figure it out eventually kid." It's an interesting gownup-yet-young sister/daughter kind of relationship, and I think it works really well.

 

If you don't care to invest time to listen or find out about the origins, no one can be blamed for calling her the above, since she won't give you a reason to.

[sim-ran]

In response to the spoiler post above, if it only comes up if in a relationship then fair enough I say. Intractably conflicting religious beliefs is a pretty understandable and realistic reason to end a relationship.

A lot of people are fine with friends or acquaintances having completing different religious beliefs but not many are fine with it when it's their partner.

[KaiserShep]

for example, if anyone I know demanded that I convert to their religion I would tell them to hell.

 

Technically, this never actually happens.

[AlexiaRevan]

Spoiler

At the temple of Mythal, If you are romancing her as an elf and you make certain choices, she will essentially tell you to forsake your heritage. If you don't she will dump you like a bad penny.

Then dont play an elfish fish . I played as a Qunari and it was a Blast ! 

[WildOrchid]

In response to the spoiler post above, if it only comes up if in a relationship then fair enough I say. Intractably conflicting religious beliefs is a pretty understandable and realistic reason to end a relationship.

A lot of people are fine with friends or acquaintances having completing different religious beliefs but not many are fine with it when it's their partner.

 

This. People just don't understand that and act as if this is something new.

No, it's not new. It happens irl a lot.

[Sunnie]

The fall of Elvhenan was their own fault, and the Dalish are prancing around in the woods telling themselves they're superior whilst slave markings are tattooed to their faces.

I would like to point out that Solas is the only source for this supposed revelation. The problem I have with this is that the Ancient Elves in the Temple of Mythal, who were slaves to nobody, all had tattooed faces as well. So how could these markings really be slave identification?

 

One of 2 things here... someone on the dev team missed a meeting or 3, or Solas is lying. 

[Caldain]

Actually, Corypheus mentions it in the last battle if you fight him as a Dalish inquisitior. Now given his mental state, maybe not the most trustworthy person but I tend to believe it. As far as the elves at the temple, they could have been bound in the service of Mythal. So not your typical slave but still in servitude.

[Sunnie]

Actually, Corypheus mentions it in the last battle if you fight him as a Dalish inquisitior. Now given his mental state, maybe not the most trustworthy person but I tend to believe it. As far as the elves at the temple, they could have been bound in the service of Mythal. So not your typical slave but still in servitude.

That just means that Tevinter Magisters changed what the markings really meant to suit their needs as they started to elnslave the elves, especially since the ancient elves predate Tevinter and Corypheus. Keep in mind that Solas was actually somewhat in league with Coryphinus, and I think the real antagonist here may just be Solas, aka; Fen'Harel. Coryphipants was just a tool meant to get the orb charged back up.

[Sundance31us]

The people of Thedas (and apparently earth as well) go on and on about how the elves are absolutely marvellous and all their misfortune is due to external factors when the fact of the matter is, they're just people.

 

I find this statement curious since one of the first things your Dalish Warden-to-be can do in DAO is slaughter unarmed humans; the keeper isn't happy if you do this, but there's no indication that you would have been punished by your clan had you stayed with them.

[KaiserShep]

I find this statement curious since one of the first things your Dalish Warden-to-be can do in DAO is slaughter unarmed humans; the keeper isn't happy if you do this, but there's no indication that you would have been punished by your clan had you stayed with them.

 

The Warden or Warden-to-be was always blessed with the ability to slaughter unarmed folks with few to no consequences.

[Luqer]

In response to the spoiler post above, if it only comes up if in a relationship then fair enough I say. Intractably conflicting religious beliefs is a pretty understandable and realistic reason to end a relationship.

A lot of people are fine with friends or acquaintances having completing different religious beliefs but not many are fine with it when it's their partner.

Except that Sera would not bring up the ultimatum if you're playing as a non-Elf race. In those playthroughs, if you choose to believe in what happened at the Temple of Mythal, Sera claims that she wouldn't dump a person just because they follow another religion that's different than hers... how... interesting...

 

In that scenario, the player will end up initiating the ultimatum instead Sera doing so.

[Patient.Zero]

The problem I have with this is that the Ancient Elves in the Temple of Mythal, who were slaves to nobody, all had tattooed faces as well. So how could these markings really be slave identification?

 

The elves at the temple of Mythal had vallaslin corresponding ownership by Mythal  (http://mattrhodesart...ed-his-override) and they had been bound to stay inside the temple and protect it for eons, only when the Inquisitor or Morrigan drinks from the well of sorrows are they able to leave. I'd say Mythal definitely had control over them.  

[Fearsome1]

I like Sera and she really is a breath of fresh air when compared against most other franchise companions. This is a trait that she shares with the equally reviled Vivienne. Most of Sera's commentary serves as a nice counter balance to core lore precepts that most of us have taken for granted, and I enjoyed that about her.

 

In Vivienne's case, I ended up feeling quite nonplussed by Bioware's decision not to create an epic in-game cut scene confrontation where our resident Enchanter to the Imperial Court of Orlais confronts the former Grand Enchanter to the Circle of Magi [Fiona] who if recruited or conscripted into the Inquisition ended up hanging around Skyhold a mere doorway over from Viv's upper loft for the entirety of the game????

 

Given her support of the Circles and her outspokeness over rebel mages, that should be considered an almost game breaking headbanger decision by the developer. It's like they intentionally cast Vivienne to be perceived a certain way and then bungled their entire follow through with the character, and I believe that she deserved such a moment.

[LightningPoodle]

I would like to point out that Solas is the only source for this supposed revelation. The problem I have with this is that the Ancient Elves in the Temple of Mythal, who were slaves to nobody, all had tattooed faces as well. So how could these markings really be slave identification?

 

One of 2 things here... someone on the dev team missed a meeting or 3, or Solas is lying. 

 

Slaves can be religious. Utterly devoted to their master/god, who in this case, would be Mythal. Mythal still exists and so, they are still enslaved to her. Even though I despise him, I doubt Solas is lying about that. 

[KBomb]

This. People just don't understand that and act as if this is something new.
No, it's not new. It happens irl a lot.

Just because it happens in real life doesn't make it any less of a dickish move. If you enter into a relationship knowing someone has religious ideals that do not match your own, only to demand later that they change and throw all they've ever known out the door or lose you-- you're an ass.

Even if you're not dating her, she berates you and calls you "stupid" if you don't agree with her.

As someone who is in a relationship with someone from a completely different background and religion, I can tell you that if he asked me to change after all the time we've been together, I would consider him a selfish, irrational and childish person.

I don't mind Sera. I also can see how someone could hate her. That is the nature of her character. Either way, it's hard to justify some of the things she does and says.

[WildOrchid]

Just because it happens in real life doesn't make it any less of a dickish move. If you enter into a relationship knowing someone has religious ideals that do not match your own, only to demand later that they change and throw all they've ever known out the door or lose you-- you're an ass.

Even if you're not dating her, she berates you and calls you "stupid" if you don't agree with her.

As someone who is in a relationship with someone from a completely different background and religion, I can tell you that if he asked me to change after all the time we've been together, I would consider him a selfish, irrational and childish person.

I don't mind Sera. I also can see how someone could hate her. That is the nature of her character. Either way, it's hard to justify some of the things she does and says.

 

She didn't "demand". She begged you to leave all the "fanatism" back and look forward because all she saw back there scared her and it was too much to bear, hence why she begs you to forget all of this, she literally begs you to lie to her. She knows all of this she saw back there was something but doesn't want to admit it.

She wasn't even yelling at you. Even Sera herself doesn't care about religions and such (even if she claims to be an andrastian, she isn't really that devout according to her banters with Bull but apparently has issues with dalish due to her past)

 

Some people are closeminded when it comes to religion, that's the hard truth. I personally, if i believed in some religion and my "crush" disapproved of it, i wouldn't even pursue a rs with her to avoid all the drama.

 

And you know who's the ass? You (not really you but you know what i mean), if you pursue a relationship with someone who is very vocal about being against your religion (not accepting). A devout dalish inquisitor clearly can pursue a relationship with Sera, ignoring all the things she says about not liking dalish, also gets uncomfortable and is not excited at all if you flirt with her. And then you get butthurt that she doesn't approve of it in the end. That's the lesson, never go with someone who disapproves of your religion/ways of living, expecting them to "change". It doesn't work like this for some people and we have to accept it.

 

Sera should've been elf gated, imo.

[Patient.Zero]

My Inquisitor has never been in a relationship with Sera, but after listening to all of you who have I think there is a bit of a double standard happening. Whatever race you play Sera makes it very clear to you what she chooses to believe, so if you enter into a relationship with her being a devout believer in the Elven pantheon you should know full well that there is gong to be some conflict. Can't it be said that by you entering the relationship nevertheless is expecting her to change for you? I can understand disliking a character truly, personally I strive to be on good terms with all of my companions but there are definitely those who I can at times find aggravating (Sera included). However the all out hate for this companion in particular is something I have yet to understand. Dislike is one thing but hate is another. 

[Sundance31us]

Dislike is on thing but hate is another. 

 

Indeed, hating a fictional character is a waste of energy that could be better spent on something else.

[KBomb]

She didn't "demand". She begged you to leave all the "fanatism" back and look forward because all she saw back there scared her and it was too much to bear, hence why she begs you to forget all of this, she literally begs you to lie to her. She knows all of this she saw back there was something but doesn't want to admit it.

She wasn't even yelling at you. Even Sera herself doesn't care about religions and such (even if she claims to be an andrastian, she isn't really that devout according to her banters with Bull but apparently has issues with dalish due to her past)

 

Some people are closeminded when it comes to religion, that's the hard truth. I personally, if i believed in some religion and my "crush" disapproved of it, i wouldn't even pursue a rs with her to avoid all the drama.

 

And you know who's the ass? You (not really you but you know what i mean), if you pursue a relationship with someone who is very vocal about being against your religion (not accepting). A devout dalish inquisitor clearly can pursue a relationship with Sera, ignoring all the things she says about not liking dalish, also gets uncomfortable and is not excited at all if you flirt with her. And then you get butthurt that she doesn't approve of it in the end. That's the lesson, never go with someone who disapproves of your religion/ways of living, expecting them to "change". It doesn't work like this for some people and we have to accept it.

 

Sera should've been elf gated, imo.

No, I don't think going into a relationship where someone disagrees with you in an ass-move. I will agree that it is not the smartest thing to do, but it doesn't make you an ass. The Inquisitor doesn't expect Sera to change her views, only to understand that it's important to her (the Inquisitor). She doesn't expect Sera to change her opinion of the elves or her beliefs. The Inquisitor didn't get butthurt because Sera didn't agree with her or wouldn't change for her. Sera is the one who wanted the Inquisitor to change and denounce her beliefs. 

 

Inquisitor: There is so much history there. What if it is true?
Sera: Frig. You're going elfy.
Inquisitor: What?
Sera: It's when fairy stories make your ears droop for "lost glory", but "glory" squats in the woods and smells like halla arse. I knew it was coming. Knew I shouldn't have started liking you. I said it, right? This doesn't fit. I can't fit. I'm not elfy. So, say you're kidding and we can go back to our weird-enough normal? Please, Inky?
Inquisitor: You'd really end our relationship over what I think of some ruins?
Sera: Maybe I don't believe much or understand it, but some people think too much and can bend anything to fit anything. Some things just don't it. Yes, you can explain it, and no, I won't get it. But I don't care. Some things don't fit. So, take it back. Just say you'd rather look ahead. That's all.
Inquisitor: I am sorry, Sera. But I believe this is important for our fellow elves.
Sera: And say the other bit.
Inquisitor: What?
Sera: "You'd get it if you were smarter." If you understood what it meant "to be elven". Take your elves, I'm just people.

 

Sera is demanding. Perhaps not in the literal sense, but she is certainly saying, "If you don't take it all back and pretend you don't feel that way, then it's over." In my opinion, as well as some other's, Sera acted completely juvenile. That being said, entering into a relationship with her as a devout dalish elf is completely moronic. It isn't that Sera isn't smart enough to understand conflicting views and opinions, it's that she is too immature to. Of course, again, this is my opinion. 

 

 

My Inquisitor has never been in a relationship with Sera, but after listening to all of you who have I think there is a bit of a double standard happening. Whatever race you play Sera makes it very clear to you what she chooses to believe, so if you enter into a relationship with her being a devout believer in the Elven pantheon you should know full well that there is gong to be some conflict. Can't it be said that by you entering the relationship nevertheless is expecting her to change for you? I can understand disliking a character truly, personally I strive to be on good terms with all of my companions but there are definitely those who I can at times find aggravating (Sera included). However the all out hate for this companion in particular is something I have yet to understand. Dislike is on thing but hate is another. 

Someone can have a completely different belief system as you and you can make it work. As I said, I am an example of this. Simply entering into a relationship with someone who has opposing views as you isn't expecting them to change for you. Entering into a relationship and then giving them the option to deny their belief or you'll leave them, is. Even after the break-up, if you go to Sera and tell her that you still want to be her friend, she shoots you down. It's her way or no way. 

 

Even if you aren't in a relationship, she calls you stupid if you even consider that there is some truth in Mythal. I have friend who is Wiccan. Personally, I don't hold any belief in that, but if she said to me, "What if my belief is true?" I would never tell her, "Then you're being stupid." That is a douche thing to do. I hope that I would have enough maturity not to insult someone who disagrees with me. I don't find Sera to be a bad person, just immature. I don't hate her at all.