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[Heimdall]

She does have something in common with all elves: They're treated like trash. Doesn't matter how much she doesn't want to believe it, she'll never be treated the same in Thedas. Thinking that everyone is "just people" won't make her an equal in the eyes of others.

And? What you're suggesting is that she should define herself by the way others see her. That's exactly the sort of thing Sera despises. Everyone is "just people", whether or not they realize that is their problem, as far as she's concerned.

She has more in common with many human peasants (do you think their lives are sunshine and rainbows?) than she does with other elves, so why do the elves deserve any special loyalty from her?

[Luqer]

She has more in common with many human peasants (do you think their lives are sunshine and rainbows?) than she does with other elves, so why do the elves deserve any special loyalty from her?

She's surprisingly well off for someone who has more in common with peasants. She steals from the rich but does she even give to the poor?

[AlexiaRevan]

She's surprisingly well off for someone who has more in common with peasants. She steals from the rich but does she even give to the poor?

She isn't Robin Hood . And I think the Aim of the Red Jenny is to make the Noble aware that someone is watching them and someone care about the poor peoples they mistreat and abuse . 

[Shechinah]

(to AlexiaRevan) I think it is more a sort of retaliation; payback basically. A bunch of people collaborates to get back at someone often with the help of the person or the people who pointed them towards that someone. There might be some Red Jenny who uses it to make a message about the injustice suffered by the common folk and them being abused but so far, it seems the Red Jenny's like Sera do it because it is fun and a sort of venting towards the upper part of society. That might be the wrong kind of phrasing but my summed point is that there dose not seem to be an overall message with it, just a bit of payback which is also why they've more or less avoided being noticed that much.

[Luqer]

She isn't Robin Hood . And I think the Aim of the Red Jenny is to make the Noble aware that someone is watching them and someone care about the poor peoples they mistreat and abuse . 

I'm under the impression that she's a subversion of Robin Hood. Even then, if she cares so much about the common folk then surely donating a bit of her money wouldn't hurt?

[WildOrchid]

I'm under the impression that she's a subversion of Robin Hood. Even then, if she cares so much about the common folk then surely donating a bit of her money wouldn't hurt?

 

She's not. That's the biggest mistake you make about Sera. She never claimed to be some sort of hero.

[LightningPoodle]

First off, you're "under the impression".

 

That is an assumption, based on your perspective of her.

 

How do you figure she has a lot of money in the first place?

 

What, you think the Red Jennies are some secret elite group behind the scenes, stealing from nobles and creating this secret little rich empire or something?

 

When we meet Sera, she has a haircut that she did herself with a knife, and it is always brought up about her "mustard stained outfit".

 

Do you really think she has that much money?

 

Now, judging by your blatant hatred for Sera, you would not be aware of a certain conversation you can have with her, as you can only have it with high approval. You earn her trust and ask her about her life.. she doesn't go into real detail, but she does explain that she's had to travel around a fair bit.. and was given a chance to run with the Red Jennies.

 

This, to me, doesn't spell out rich.

 

Not sure where you get this idea of being loaded with money, but I'd say it has something to do with an intense hatred, thus creating a situation where you read into everything and draw conclusions based on your fantasies or ideals.

 

She cares about the common folk, but it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with money. You can do good things for people, without having to pass over a dime.

 

Well said.

[Serza]

Aw, f*ck it, here's a nuke, detonate it while standing next to it.

It'll be a problem solved.

[Serza]

 

 

A bit overkill, though. I mean, I just wasted a NUKE. A FRAG would do the job equally well.

[LightningPoodle]

A bit overkill, though. I mean, I just wasted a NUKE. A FRAG would do the job equally well.

 

Got to make sure there is nothing left. Not even ash. Wipe every trace of them from the earth.

[Serza]

Got to make sure there is nothing left. Not even ash. Wipe every trace of them from the earth.

 

Yeah, but think of the surroundings.

Even seventy years later, Hiroshima and Nagasaki still feel traces of the 1945 ka-boom in the form of Little Boy and Fat Man, as far as I've heard.

 

When dealing with trolls, you need to be able to repopulate the area with good people. Hmm...

 

*pulls out an M1-1 Flamethrower*

*quotes Saving Private Ryan*

[JasonPogo]

Underneath everything Sera is actually rather insightful and kinda has the right idea.  Her basic belief is that no matter what the elves once were it is now long gone.  All the elves Dalish or city just sit around talking and thinking about how great they used to be.  How they had empires and were immortal and oh so very wise.  Well guess what that is long done and gone now.  Sera sees this.  Nothing is accomplished by sitting around longing for what you once were two thousand years ago. 

 

Yes Sera wants you to look forward.  Try and figure out what the elves could be not what they once were.

[PogueMT]

The thing that stands out the most for me with Sera is that she hates being seen as an elf, not because she hates elves, but because it's the first thing people focus on, they don't see a person, they see an elf and make all kinds of assumptions about her based on that - in that light I kinda get where all the rest comes from.

 

She's very similar to Varric in that respect, he's not as vocal about it, and he tends to be more charming with his responses, but he's still prickly about being stereotyped.

[Shechinah]

(to JasonPogo) I want so badly to discuss this but we are having an actually civilised thread about Sera in the Scuttlebutt section and I don't want to derail it into a conversation about the Dalish.

 

To put it shortly, I dislike the "them versus us" mentality as Sera aptly puts it or the attitude that all elves must be a part of a culture solely due to their race but I see nothing wrong with trying to re-discover a lost culture and I see a lot of wrong with being persecuted for being a part of said culture.  

[JasonPogo]

She's surprisingly well off for someone who has more in common with peasants. She steals from the rich but does she even give to the poor?

 

She explains this in the game.  She might not give the money she gets back.  But everything she and her Jennies do trickles down to something else. 

 

So say Sera dose steal a bunch of money from Noble WhatsHisFace and keeps it for herself.  But now that Noble dose not have the gold to afford his mercenaries.  And said mercenaries can't be paid to drive the poor refuges from his land.  It is a process like this.

[Rel Fexive]

 

 

NTSFO.

[Patient.Zero]

Oh, by all means, believe it as passionately as possible but if all characters like Sera do is to only keep talking about how everyone should be treated equally rather than actively try to make it into a reality step by step, at least have the decency not to act so high and mighty about it...

 

When you first meet her in Haven you can have a conversation with her about this where she basically says that if the Dalish want to be angry about old debts they can. They should be a terror that never lets an enemy forget, but if their digging up old hurt just to wear then that's weird. Especially when they don't really know what happened. So, technically Sera agrees with you. Yes, she would like folks to understand that there is no special connotation associated with any race and that everyone is just a person, but she's not Martin Luther King Jr.. Perhaps sharing her beliefs with the Inquisitor (a person who currently has the power to effect a great deal of change in Thedas) is the best she can do. 

 

The take on elves in the Dragon Age universe is one I quite appreciate. Instead of the usual Lord of the Rings style elves who are amazing by default, we experience a world where we face the fact that if people can barely deal with skin colour, we're probably not going to react to a race that is actually different then ours very well. I think Sera is a just contrast to the Lord of the rings-esque vision of elves people tend to have, she points out flaws of the elves that people either overlook or ignore. Like for instance the fact that the Dalish know next to nothing about actual elven culture. 

[Luqer]

First off, you're "under the impression".

 

That is an assumption, based on your perspective of her.

 

How do you figure she has a lot of money in the first place?

 

What, you think the Red Jennies are some secret elite group behind the scenes, stealing from nobles and creating this secret little rich empire or something?

 

When we meet Sera, she has a haircut that she did herself with a knife, and it is always brought up about her "mustard stained outfit".

 

Do you really think she has that much money?

 

Now, judging by your blatant hatred for Sera, you would not be aware of a certain conversation you can have with her, as you can only have it with high approval. You earn her trust and ask her about her life.. she doesn't go into real detail, but she does explain that she's had to travel around a fair bit.. and was given a chance to run with the Red Jennies.

 

This, to me, doesn't spell out rich.

 

Not sure where you get this idea of being loaded with money, but I'd say it has something to do with an intense hatred, thus creating a situation where you read into everything and draw conclusions based on your fantasies or ideals.

 

She cares about the common folk, but it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with money. You can do good things for people, without having to pass over a dime.

Inquisitor: How are you making things better? What have you done for anyone?

 

Sera: I make sure these arseholes pay.

 

Inquisitor: While filling your pockets.

 

Sera: Well, maybe, but... but...

 

No, I don't think she's rich and I never said that I thought she was.

 

And oh yes, she certainly cares about the common folk. She cares about them enough to profit off their misery...

[Serza]

NTSFO.

 

What's that mean?

 

Inquisitor: How are you making things better? What have you done for anyone?

 

Sera: I make sure these arseholes pay.

 

Inquisitor: While filling your pockets.

 

Sera: Well, maybe, but... but...

 

No, I don't think she's rich and I never said that I thought she was.

 

And oh yes, she certainly cares about the common folk. She cares about them enough to profit off their misery...

 

Oh. Now you're just hating.

[KaiserShep]

Inquisitor: How are you making things better? What have you done for anyone?

 

Sera: I make sure these arseholes pay.

 

Inquisitor: While filling your pockets.

 

Sera: Well, maybe, but... but...

 

No, I don't think she's rich and I never said that I thought she was.

 

And oh yes, she certainly cares about the common folk. She cares about them enough to profit off their misery...

 

To say that she or the other Jennies profit off of their misery is a wee bit skewed. After all, the only reason Noble Pisspot had his or her party ruined or their dealings foiled, or possibly even killed is because those same peasants snitched on them, perhaps either to get a laugh or possibly to have them removed.

 

Take that Orlesian mage we encounter in Val Royeaux. He was actually more than just some random a-hole. That idiot took it upon himself to be part of the whole "movement" against the Inquisition, and some lowly house boy is the one that gave him up.

 

And sure, she gets money for it.

 

Just like Hawke got money from the Jennies for killing gang members in Kirkwall.