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[Rel Fexive]

What's that mean?

 

*shrugs*  "It's the only way to be sure."

[Serza]

*shrugs*  "It's the only way to be sure."

 

Oh, I see. Is it originally an Alien quote?

[Rel Fexive]

Oh, I see. Is it originally an Alien quote?

 

Hicks: "All right. We take off. Nuke the site from orbit. [glances at Ripley in agreement] It's the only way to be sure."

 

"NTSFO" is just my personal abbreviation of it

[Serza]

Hicks: "All right. We take off. Nuke the site from orbit. [glances at Ripley in agreement] It's the only way to be sure."

 

"NTSFO" is just my personal abbreviation of it

 

I see. Ripley's one helluva woman. I think it's in her blood, considering the events of Alien Isolation.

[Rel Fexive]

I see. Ripley's one helluva woman. I think it's in her blood, considering the events of Alien Isolation.

 

I might play some more of that tonight!  Hurray, terror!

[Serza]

I might play some more of that tonight!  Hurray, terror!

 

I'll never get the game. I'd sh*t myself scared even before the Xeno would turn up.

[Rel Fexive]

I'll never get the game. I'd sh*t myself scared even before the Xeno would turn up.

 

There's nothing in that game quite like hiding under a table while The Alien prowls past, keeping your hands off the controls in case any movement makes a noise, and cringing as it passes behind you where you can no longer see it.  And then its tail flops down right next to you

 

And gaming is supposed to be fun!

[Serza]

Nuking it from orbit is not good enough. If anything the situation calls for a Exterminatus. Evacuate those worth saving and I'll halo-call the fleet. 

 

Go Thanix!

 

It's actually funny. We're told that Mass Accelerators hit like NUKES. Well, "City Busters," as Little Boy and Fat Man are referred to in ME2.

 

Yet when Thanix rounds hit the Reaper Destroyer on Rannoch, they not only barely scratch the damn thing, but they also DEAL NO DAMAGE TO THE SURROUNDINGS. That's probably a sin, right there (I guess I watched too much CinemaSins today)

Unless the Thanix, being based on Reaper tech, is actually a completely different thing from a standart Mass Accelerator. But a regular MA weapon should pulverize half that Geth base, if not the whole. Sorry Shepard, you're dead in an anti-climactic fashion.

Let us also not forget the chance that the Normandy is actually unupgraded in that playthrough, thus sporting DISRUPTOR TORPEDOES.

You know, the stuff that creates MASSIVE WARP FIELDS ON IMPACT.

 

Edit: As a side note, I do realize that upgrading to Thanix doesn't deprive Normandy of the Disruptor Torpedoes. Just... renders them obsolete.

 

There's nothing in that game quite like hiding under a table while The Alien prowls past, keeping your hands off the controls in case any movement makes a noise, and cringing as it passes behind you where you can no longer see it.  And then its tail flops down right next to you

 

And gaming is supposed to be fun!

 

Sounds to me like you actually DID sh*t yourself

[Patient.Zero]

(to JasonPogo) I want so badly to discuss this but we are having an actually civilised thread about Sera in the Scuttlebutt section and I don't want to derail it into a conversation about the Dalish.

 

To put it shortly, I dislike the "them versus us" mentality as Sera aptly puts it or the attitude that all elves must be a part of a culture solely due to their race but I see nothing wrong with trying to re-discover a lost culture and I see a lot of wrong with being persecuted for being a part of said culture.  

 

 

You've done a dangerous thing (aka sparked my curiosity.)

[Veovim]

Regarding the breakup over religion:

 

I think the problem isn't so much that she decides to break up as how she does it.  Simply being upfront that she thinks she and the inquisitor are too different for things to work out, and calling it off before it hurts too much would have been fine.  Trying to get the inquisitor to change for her, though... that's less ok.  Whether the inquisitor just pretends not to worship the elven gods anymore, or actually stops worshiping them, that's going to be a pretty major change and will almost certainly lead to a lot of resentment and the eventual destruction of the relationship on much worse terms than from just doing it up front.  That's a pretty crappy request for Sera to be making.  I realize that she's probably doing it out of insecurity, rather than any malicious intent, but does it matter?  The end result's the same.

 

I have a couple other problems with Sera as well:

 

She's very spiteful, especially about the Dalish.  To reduce the issue to simple terms: two wrongs don't make a right.  Sera feels that the Dalish are elitists, and maybe she feels hurt by their lack of inclusivity.  That doesn't really excuse her gleefully wanting to hurt them back, though.  Furthermore, my elf inquisitor had made a point of treating Sera like a friend, and not making a big deal of their cultural differences, but the second she was unhappy about Sera's venom, Sera stopped treating her like a friend and started treating her like One Of Them.

 

Sera also seems to have zero interest in personal development.  I get the impression that she knows she has flaws, but she just doesn't care, even when it would be useful.  For example, there's party banter where Cassandra ribs Sera about being super afraid of magic.  Sera fires back that of course she's afraid of magic, she was raised to be that way, and she hasn't had Seeker training.  Later on, you can get a follow-up conversation where Cassandra acknowledges Sera's point, and offers to help her deal with her fear.  Sera flatly refuses.  I believe there's also a conversation with Dorian where he thinks she's only seen the worst of what magic can offer, and asks if he could try to change her mind by showing her much more constructive uses of it.  Again, she flatly refuses.

 

To be clear, I'm not saying that I think any of these issues are unrealistic (quite the opposite, really).  I just find them to be extremely unendearing.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

There's nothing in that game quite like hiding under a table while The Alien prowls past, keeping your hands off the controls in case any movement makes a noise, and cringing as it passes behind you where you can no longer see it.  And then its tail flops down right next to you

 

And gaming is supposed to be fun!

 

As a bonus, you've to hold your breath occasionally lest it smelled what you last ate.

[Luqer]

So?

 

Everybody has to have money, even in Thedas. So why not?

 

When it comes to Sera, she will judge by the individual's actions. So chances are, she may not give a toss about a "common folk" if she perceives that person to be an arsehole.

 

Besides, everybody profits off of misery, directly and indirectly. The Inquisitor, for instance, becomes some heroic religious figure under false premises. People believe that he or she is Andraste's herald whether he or she denies it or not.. when really, it was just some magic experiment gone wrong. That isn't taken into account, but either way, the Inquisitor becomes an important leader figure.. based all on a lie.

 

Hell... why not look at other characters for similar examples?

 

Blackwall is treated with respect because he convinces people that he is a Grey Warden.

 

Solas is treated with respect because he convinces people that he is simply an intelligent elf mage that explores the fade..

 

Now look at how those turn out.

Yeah, a lot of people profit off of other people's misery but at least most of them don't go claiming themselves to be such a good person who helps others.

 

Blackwall and Solas don't go around preaching about how they care about the common folk's sufferings and unlike Sera, the both of them were truly sincere from start to beginning about their specific passions.

 

Blackwall ended up confessing his crimes and expected to be punished for it and if given a second chance, will devote his entire life to redeeming himself. Blackwall's desire to atone for his sins and inspire others to better themselves remained untarnished. Plus, he's still treated with disgust in-universe by some of the companions and NPC's after his revelation.

 

And Solas IS still an intelligent elf mage that explores the Fade. His reveal to be the Dread Wolf doesn't really change that beyond the fact that he had lied about where he came from. Solas was still very sincere when it came to his desire to help the elves. There was no reason for him to act as a different person when no one knew what the Dread Wolf was like.

 

My gripe with Sera is how insincere she is about what she claims to be fighting for. She's constantly contradicting herself like saying she wants to help the little people but at the same time, she wants the status quo to stay and her freedom to have fun. She wants to help people but seems a lot more happy with hurting nobles. She wants to find certainty in her Andrastian faith but does so by putting down other people's beliefs. If she had said from the beginning that she only cares about causing mayhem and hurting people she doesn't like, then I wouldn't be hating her so much because at least she would be honest about her intentions. Instead, she comes off as a massive hypocrite.

 

I don't hate Vivienne as much as I hate Sera because of the way they were introduced in the game. Vivienne made it all too clear that she's a ****** and cares about her own interests. She's unapologetic about who she is from the start but I was okay with her because she wasn't claiming to be something she's not. So when I get to learn more about her, I liked her better because behind all of her obvious bad traits, she actually does have a heart. Sera was introduced as being someone you might get along with due to obvious heroic traits like fighting bad nobles and caring about the little people. Then I tried to get to know her better and became disappointed by her uglier traits; hatred and fear of what she can't understand, her racism, her severe immaturity, her insensitivity towards other people's beliefs, her complete apathy towards people that don't fit her "views" and her hypocrisy. 

 

Its hard to like Sera since she's very ugly on the inside.

[Shaftell]

Best move bioware made! I think it added a lot of dimension and variety amongst our companions. In fact I believe it should be a blue print. Give us characters that are real and are themselves... Not cronies to the player. It is a great thing to make a companion I can hate. Guess what, they did this on purpose. That's why there's the safety net of getting rid of her at anytime.
Dragon Age Inquisition, for all its faults, has probably the most diverse, unique, and best written companions they've ever done.

[Mihura]

This kind of topics are never gonna to end it seems. For the OP, Sera is hated because that was intentional when it comes to her concept.

For example why is Cassandra, Dorian, IB or even Blackwall and Vivienne are seen as a better characters when all of them did a lot worse? (a noble that always lived with slaves, mage hunter enforcer that did nothing with proves of abused mages, a ex-enforce of morals that hates people from his race that left that same philosophy, a mercenary that kill anyone for money and a mage that will kill anyone in her path to power).

In the end I bet Sera did a lot less than these five but somehow she is more hated than anyone in the cast. This happens because all of them can come to a middle ground, are in a redemption arc or have really good arguments.

Sera is just Sera really, she is not changing for anyone or wants to be better or even has a goal in life. That would be fine if she was not always in denial or if she was a little more mature. It does not help that she has lot of self-hate and in the process hates elves, during the speech of the Inquisitor you can choose to say something like "I am gonna to be a example of my race", Sera only hates the Elven Inquisitior for that. Also she just spew transphobic comments from time to time, just because.

So to me, it makes a lot sense that Sera is the most disliked character of the bunch, unfortunately there is more to hate than love, and that is why her dialogue is the only one with a kick option. 

[Patient.Zero]

I tried to get to know her better and became disappointed by her uglier traits; hatred and fear of what she can't understand, her racism, her severe immaturity, her insensitivity towards other people's beliefs, her complete apathy towards people that don't fit her "views" and her hypocrisy. 

 

Its hard to like Sera since she's very ugly on the inside.

 

I think see your point but the racism bit still stumps me, perhaps it's all up to perception. You see Sera's flaws as hypocrisy and racism, I see them as an at times irritating bluntness. 

 

Sera is just Sera really, she is not changing for anyone or wants to be better or even has a goal in life. That would be fine if she was not always in denial or if she was a little more mature. It does not help that she has lot of self-hate and in the process hates elves, during the speech of the Inquisitor you can choose to say something like "I am gonna to be a example of my race", Sera only hates the Elven Inquisitior for that. Also she just spew transphobic comments from time to time, just because.

So to me, it makes a lot sense that Sera is the most disliked character of the bunch, unfortunately there is more to hate than love, and that is why her dialogue is the only one with a kick option. 

 

Hold an a minute Sera's transphobic?! I can see how one her views on elves or her religious believes can be up for interpretation but being transphobic seems pretty cut and dry. Where do you see this?

[Mihura]

I think see your point but the racism bit still stumps me, perhaps it's all up to perception. You see Sera's flaws as hypocrisy and racism, I see them as an at times irritating bluntness. 

 

 

Hold an a minute Sera's transphobic?! I can see how one her views on elves or her religious believes can be up for interspersion but transphobic seems pretty cut and dry. Where do you see this?

 

She has somehow a tendency to be a crude lady and that ends up translating onto cissexism, which unfortunately end up with her making a nasty remarks about the gender of a noble. Even without that in her character concept, I just do not think she has enough qualities or development to be a good character. 

[AresKeith]

Hold an a minute Sera's transphobic?! I can see how one her views on elves or her religious believes can be up for interpretation but being transphobic seems pretty cut and dry. Where do you see this?

 

She's not transphobic 

[Mihura]

She's not transphobic 

 

She is.

[KBomb]

She is.

Can you give the exact quote that proves this? I am not saying it's true or not, as I don't know-- I am just curious of what she said to lead you to this conclusion. I can't recall any nasty quote about a noble's gender. Then again, I don't take her along that much.

[Patient.Zero]

She has somehow a tendency to be a crude lady and that ends up translating onto cissexism, which unfortunately end up with her making a nasty remarks about the gender of a noble. Even without that in her character concept, I just do not think she has enough qualities or development to be a good character. 

 

Are you referring to what she says here at 0:04 seconds?

 

 

If so I'm afraid I'll need you to do a little more explaining. To me it just sounds like she being blunt, saying (in 3 words more then necessary I suppose) that whoever she is talking about is a transgendered person. She's telling the Inquisitor about the secrets of the nobles in the palace, provided to her by "friends". If anything the word transgendered hasn't been invented yet so Sera is just telling you this information the only way she knows how. Bluntly. Also I think if she were transphobic she would have said something about Krem (who is a mere floor away from her in the Skyhold tavern).

 

I accept that I am not be the most educated on the subject of the LGBT community so I may sound quite ignorant here, but I just don't see this interaction to be offensive. I am genuinely open to being corrected if wrong though.

[KBomb]

Are you referring to what she says here are 0:04 seconds?

 

 

If so I'm afraid I'll need you to do a little more explaining. To me all it just sounds like she being blunt, saying (in 3 words more then necessary I suppose) that whoever she is talking about is a transgendered person. She's telling the Inquisitor about the secrets of the nobles in the palace, provided to her by "friends". If anything the word transgendered hasn't been invented yet so Sera is just telling you this information the only way she knows how. Bluntly. Also I think if she were transphobic she would have said something about Krem (who is a mere floor away from here in the Skyhold tavern).

 

I accept that I am not be the most educated on the subject of the LGBTG community so I may sound quite ignorant here, but I just don't see this interaction to be offensive. I am genuinely open to being corrected if wrong though.

Oh, is that it? How can that translate into Sera being transphobic? She only says, "He's a she.".  How is that nasty?

[Serza]

Really? That argument? THAT FRIGGIN' ARGUMENT?

 

"She's transphobic"? REALLY? AS IN, TOTALLY FRIGGIN' SERIOUSLY?