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[KaiserShep]

Are you referring to what she says here are 0:04 seconds?

 

 

If so I'm afraid I'll need you to do a little more explaining. To me it just sounds like she being blunt, saying (in 3 words more then necessary I suppose) that whoever she is talking about is a transgendered person. She's telling the Inquisitor about the secrets of the nobles in the palace, provided to her by "friends". If anything the word transgendered hasn't been invented yet so Sera is just telling you this information the only way she knows how. Bluntly. Also I think if she were transphobic she would have said something about Krem (who is a mere floor away from her in the Skyhold tavern).

 

I accept that I am not be the most educated on the subject of the LGBTG community so I may sound quite ignorant here, but I just don't see this interaction to be offensive. I am genuinely open to being corrected if wrong though.

 

I was wondering about this myself, and this was the only example I could think of too. I see nothing transphobic about this. It's merely a case of reading more than what's there.

[Serza]

Careful now, we'll get accused of being terrorists again.

 

A person who doesn't recognize AMERICAN markings on an AMERICAN F-4 Phantom isn't worth listening to in that particular department, anyway.

[WildOrchid]

Lmao @ 'transphobic'.

She was literally repreating what the orlesian nobles were saying.

 

 

 

 

 

Also I think if she were transphobic she would have said something about Krem (who is a mere floor away from her in the Skyhold tavern).

 

Not to mention she's friends with IB. And we all know how protective he is of Krem.

[WildOrchid]

But derz no quotation markz on da subtitlez.. dat meanz shes tranzphobic.

 

Reminds me the whole Pillars of Eternity Firedorn fiasco about a "transphobic" poem, which was taken completely out of context. This is what happens here, 3 words and suddenly she's transphobe.

 

 

People are way too sensitive about things that aren't even there. Sera is not a transphobe, nothing in game proves that.

[Rel Fexive]

Yeah... I thought it must have been those THREE WORDS that this entire theory was based on.  I mean, I would say that what she said can be true even without a trans explanation for it, in the classic "dress up as a man to get by in a man's world" sense (even though Thedas is actually quite female-oriented in many ways).  Maybe that's still trans in some sense, though, I don't know - it's not my division.

 

But yeah - this is just picking out teeny tiny things to be angry about, now. 

 

 

Honestly, why do people dedicate so much effort to a character they don't like?  Haven't they got better things to do?  Like, anything else?

 

 

Oh, and to reiterate what KEEPS BEING SAID - Sera never claims to be a good person or any kind of folk or commoner hero.  She does what she does because she thinks it needs doing to keep reminding the uppity nobs that there can be a cost to some of their actions.  She doesn't even have to be nice  to do that.

[Serza]

In regards to the whole "Sera doesn't approve if you save the villagers of Haven," I keep saying she's too busy thinking about what seems to be a FRIGGIN' ARCHDEMON.

 

Considering she WAS THERE when the Battle of Denerim took place, you can probably imagine HOW SCARED she was. So, yeah. TOO BUSY to think about things much. And hell, EVEN IN SKYHOLD, which is SEVERAL DAYS LATER in terms of story, that's the FIRST thing she asks about - "THAT'S NOT A FRIGGIN' ARCHDEMON, IS IT?"

 

For Vivienne, that's just another dragon. But Sera possibly saw the Archdemon, and as we know, Warden-Commander Clarel RECOGNIZES the Red Lyrium Dragon AS AN ARCHDEMON, and she's a WARDEN.

[Rel Fexive]

Yep, it's those words in the Winter Palace that has sparked this um.. controversy.

 

There is nothing else in game that indicates she is transphobic. Personally, I just took it as her listening in on what was going on at the ball, and repeating secrets and knowledge that she's heard to the Inquisitor.

 

Given the situation when it comes to nobles.. somebody passing off as a different gender would be a scandalous matter.

 

When it comes to being "transphobic", it basically means that you don't accept transgendered people as they are and tend to make ignorant, insulting comments about them. I didn't really perceive Sera to be doing that, but like we keep witnessing, people will continue to nitpick.

 

This is yet another whinge/complaint on a long list.. anything from "Sera's a bad person because she doesn't approve of rescuing the villagers in Haven, but Vivienne does", to, "Sera's tarot cards and inappropriate and offensive".

 

I remember when in my game Sera's tarot first changed and I told people I had finally got the "licky licky" card.  It was the best day ever.

[Addai]

Is this actually a good reason to let go of the idea though? Better some believe it than not at all.

For Sera being "just people" means assimilating to human Andrastian culture.

[KaiserShep]

In regards to the whole "Sera doesn't approve if you save the villagers of Haven," I keep saying she's too busy thinking about what seems to be a FRIGGIN' ARCHDEMON.

 

Considering she WAS THERE when the Battle of Denerim took place, you can probably imagine HOW SCARED she was. So, yeah. TOO BUSY to think about things much. And hell, EVEN IN SKYHOLD, which is SEVERAL DAYS LATER in terms of story, that's the FIRST thing she asks about - "THAT'S NOT A FRIGGIN' ARCHDEMON, IS IT?"

 

For Vivienne, that's just another dragon. But Sera possibly saw the Archdemon, and as we know, Warden-Commander Clarel RECOGNIZES the Red Lyrium Dragon AS AN ARCHDEMON, and she's a WARDEN.

 

I don't really get why a character would get criticized for being neutral on approval for certain things. Unless I'm mistaken, Cassandra doesn't net approval for saving the people of Haven either. During the assault, I always have Cass, Sera and Varric on the team, and only Varric is the one that ever gets a Greatly Approves as a result.

[Rel Fexive]

For Sera being "just people" means assimilating to human Andrastian culture.

 

That's funny, I don't remember anyone talking about how Sera tries to convert elf Inquisitors to worshipping the Maker.  Or trying to convert anyone else for that matter.  I wonder if that's because it's something she never does?

[Addai]

That's funny, I don't remember anyone talking about how Sera tries to convert elf Inquisitors to worshipping the Maker.  Or trying to convert anyone else for that matter.  I wonder if that's because it's something she never does?

I didn't say she did, but that's what being "just people" means to her. Convenient, since she already is assimilated so she has nothing to lose by holding that belief.

[Shechinah]

(to Rel Maxive) In fairness, she does have dialogue, I think, in which she calls you stupid for believing what you do and saying you shouldn't when you are the Herald of Andraste. I'll need to find it to be certain and prevent misinformation but I think I ran into that during my playthrough.

 

After What Pride Had Wrought and if you click on any other option than "I agree it was all lies", she says "You're the frigging Herald of Andraste! Every time you open your mouth, you'll sound like an idiot!"

 

I think this was the one I encountered because I remember my Inquisitor replying with "That hasn't stopped you" which made Sera approve.

Modifié par Shechinah, 05 avril 2015 - 11:27 .

[Rel Fexive]

I didn't say she did, but that's what being "just people" means to her. Convenient, since she already is assimilated so she has nothing to lose by holding that belief.

 

Does it mean that to her though?  Or is that what you think it means to her?  She doesn't really seem all that Andraste-y enough to think that - even she admits she's not entirely knowledgeable on the subject.  Although I guess that doesn't stop people acting as if they are.  Which she doesn't from my experience.

 

(to Rel Maxive) In fairness, she does have dialogue, I think, in which she calls you stupid for believing what you do and saying you shouldn't when you are the Herald of Andraste. I'll need to find it to be certain and prevent misinformation but I think I ran into that during my playthrough.

 

That's not exactly the same though, but I'd like to see the dialogue of you can find it.

[Shechinah]

(to Rel Maxive) I've added it to my previous comment. What I meant and forgot to write was that I can see where and why people might see some of Sera's dialogue as trying to push you to be less something and more something else.

[KaiserShep]

For Sera being "just people" means assimilating to human Andrastian culture.

 

That's not really the meaning behind that phrase. After all, the people she tends to work against are typically Andrastian human nobles that make life for other people miserable, whether they be elves or other humans. Assimilation has nothing to do with it. Being "just people" has more to do with not losing sight of the lower rungs of society and being treated fairly. It's an idea that she also applies to the Inquisitor, regardless of race.

 

How she feels about elven culture, particularly the Dalish, is a separate issue.

[Rel Fexive]

(to Rel Maxive) I've added it to my previous comment. What I meant and forgot to write was that I can see where and why people might see some of Sera's dialogue as trying to push you to be less something and more something else.

 

Yeah, it seems to be more of an interpretation one, that does, at least.  She doesn't actually say the Inquisitor is an idiot, only that they'll sound like one.  And she's certainly not saying what you should or shouldn't say or believe.  She just sounds concerned about what people would think about her friend/lover... who she also believes is the Herald.  Must be confusing for her!

 

I can't speak for all dialogue everywhere, of course.  Only what I've heard.  She hasn't been that kind of pushy to my qunari Inquisitrix, for example.  Other kinds of pushy, maybe

[Shechinah]

(to Rel Fexive) It is something that is mostly, from what I've seen, present in her dynamic with an elven Inquisitor and can lead to an interesting relationship, I liked the friendship between her and my Dalish Inquisitor. A lot of the different intrepretations about Sera also stems from her way of formulating herself. 

 

I love the cookie scene because it is a sweet moment and can be seen in a lot of ways. That and I like to imaging my Inquisitor mixing in a bit of herbal knowledge so she and Sera can make the cookie equivalent of a pot brownie.  

[Rel Fexive]

Heh.  I can only imagine how (more) wacky that would make Sera!

 

And it's pretty safe to say that Sera and a Dalish Inquisitrix have the roughest ride, as is clear from all the comments/complaints about it.  I guess people shouldn't expect it to be easy for everyone - such is life, even virtually, apparently.  I think some forget the writers are not obliged to make things easy or straightforward all the time.

 

 

(oh, yes, um, name change)

[Luqer]

I don't really get why a character would get criticized for being neutral on approval for certain things. Unless I'm mistaken, Cassandra doesn't net approval for saving the people of Haven either. During the assault, I always have Cass, Sera and Varric on the team, and only Varric is the one that ever gets a Greatly Approves as a result.

That's because Cassandra is a very pragmatic person. She's the kind of person who believes that some sacrifices have to be made for the greater good. However, unlike the likes of Meredith or Lambert, her pragmatism is tempered by her maturity and wisdom. Very few criticize Cassandra for not netting approval from her by saving the people of Haven because that's how Cassandra's character had been established. 

 

Vivienne, despite telling the Inquisitor to focus on their own survival first, you will net approval from her by saving the people of Haven. Yes, Vivienne is the person most if not all expected to disapprove of choosing to save the people of Haven but this is probably due to the fact that Vivienne does have compassion in her heart but as implied by Cole, she doesn't want people to think she's weak.

 

Part of the disappointment towards Sera not giving approval for saving the people of Haven is due to the fact that she of all companions was expected to want to save the people of Haven. She had been established as a character who fights for the little people and despises those in power who preach about the greater good which usually involves hurting or letting people get hurt. The fact that her fear of a particularly frightening experience in her past overcame her compassion to help others in need of help was a huge disappointment.

 

For a girl who has a song with part of the lyrics being:

 

"Why change the past,

When you can own this day?"

 

You would expect that she would live up to these words when s**t gets real...

[KaiserShep]

This is a ridiculous nitpick and a very poor excuse. Cassandra and Sera actually share approval for a lot of things the Inquisitor can do, namely helping people. If you do most of the Hinterlands stuff with her in the party, just about everything that aids refugees or helps some poor sap solve a problem will generally get approval right alongside Cassandra, but this one instance when you save 4 people is neutral and it's a "huge disappointment", and suddenly their shared neutrality is bad for one and OK for the other, because of this dubious claim of pragmatism? It strikes me as one of those things where people are just reaching for more things to add to the list of demerits for a character they don't like.