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[Luqer]

This is a ridiculous nitpick and a very poor excuse. Cassandra and Sera actually share approval for a lot of things the Inquisitor can do, namely helping people. If you do most of the Hinterlands stuff with her in the party, just about everything that aids refugees or helps some poor sap solve a problem will generally get approval right alongside Cassandra, but this one instance when you save 4 people is neutral and it's a "huge disappointment"? I'm having trouble allocating any energy to putting any thought into why anyone should care about this.

Unlike those Hinterlands quests that involves helping people in which the threat against the party weren't constant and not really so terrifying (most of those quests involve turning in those quests to NPC's who are within a safe zone away from the battlefield), the sacking of Haven had a Dragon controlled by Corypheus presenting a constant and very terrifying threat to the party.

[KaiserShep]

Again, this is just nitpicking. The question I must ask is: so what? If the character is neutral on the matter, I don't see why it's either a good or a bad thing. It just doesn't seem like something that matters in the slightest.

[Rel Fexive]

That's because Cassandra is a very pragmatic person. She's the kind of person who believes that some sacrifices have to be made for the greater good. However, unlike the likes of Meredith or Lambert, her pragmatism is tempered by her maturity and wisdom. Very few criticize Cassandra for not netting approval from her by saving the people of Haven because that's how Cassandra's character had been established. 

 

Vivienne, despite telling the Inquisitor to focus on their own survival first, you will net approval from her by saving the people of Haven. Yes, Vivienne is the person most if not all expected to disapprove of choosing to save the people of Haven but this is probably due to the fact that Vivienne does have compassion in her heart but as implied by Cole, she doesn't want people to think she's weak.

 

Part of the disappointment towards Sera not giving approval for saving the people of Haven is due to the fact that she of all companions was expected to want to save the people of Haven. She had been established as a character who fights for the little people and despises those in power who preach about the greater good which usually involves hurting or letting people get hurt. The fact that her fear of a particularly frightening experience in her past overcame her compassion to help others in need of help was a huge disappointment.

 

For a girl who has a song with part of the lyrics being:

 

"Why change the past,

When you can own this day?"

 

You would expect that she would live up to these words when s**t gets real...

 

So.... you are basing your entire dislike of Sera on gameplay/story segregation?

 

Oh dear.

[Serza]

Woo, look at this! Two opportunities for my favorite demotivational during a single day!

 

I approve!

 

[DanteYoda]

Then dont play an elfish fish . I played as a Qunari and it was a Blast ! 

Yep Dwarf was fine too, must be just elf.

[jlb524]

It strikes me as one of those things where people are just reaching for more things to add to the list of demerits for a character they don't like.

 

Hahaha, now I think you finally understand what 95% of the posts on these forums are really about.

[DanteYoda]

For me personally after reading this thread, it almost sounds like Sera has a phobia of Elves and their histories, shes actually physically and mentally scared of them and when you as an elf say your interested in the history it sparks her fears (which honestly as phobias go can be scary serious) thats when she says good bye..

 

Its not because she hates you its because shes scared of what will happen..

 

 

The more i read into Sera the more she does seem like theirs a trapped god in her, maybe that is why she leaves you in case it may awaken more inside her. Shes slightly unhinged as it is maybe awakening the thing will send her even further over, into the depths of insanity..

 

She also has a phobia of the fade as well, which could be connected..

[Sunnie]

Agreed.

 

Honestly, I think people just see what they want to see. Another reason to chuck a tantrum and complain about something.. Particularly Sera. Hell, the haters are very passionate when it comes to her.

We saw a lot of this same hate spewed at Liara a few years ago, it was really pathetic how people had so much venom but couldnt really give rational reasons why.

[SolNebula]

I do have a question about Sera.

 

What was her writer smoking when her personality was written? Probably was good stuff. LOL just joking.

[Heimdall]

For me personally after reading this thread, it almost sounds like Sera has a phobia of Elves and their histories, shes actually physically and mentally scared of them and when you as an elf say your interested in the history it sparks her fears (which honestly as phobias go can be scary serious) thats when she says good bye..

Its not because she hates you its because shes scared of what will happen..


The more i read into Sera the more she does seem like theirs a trapped god in her, maybe that is why she leaves you in case it may awaken more inside her. Shes slightly unhinged as it is maybe awakening the thing will send her even further over, into the depths of insanity..

She also has a phobia of the fade as well, which could be connected..

I still think Sera containing an Elven God is a bit too much, especially since we already have one in the party and she's the most optional of the companions.

I wouldn't rule out her having some special bloodline and/or link to Andruil though.

[Heimdall]

I'd heard about that.

Funnily enough, I don't get why anybody could hate Liara either. She's just so damn cute.

Well, I was never really happy with how much of a writer's pet she became (She's a much worse offender in that regard than Leliana), and some people were annoyed by how it's impossible to be anything but best friends with her in ME3.

Legitamate problems, but not enough to justify the venomous hate so many people sent her way. I like her too.

[Mihura]

We saw a lot of this same hate spewed at Liara a few years ago, it was really pathetic how people had so much venom but couldnt really give rational reasons why.

 

Hum not really, most of the topics I see here are people asking other users in the forum why they hate her. If anything, this whole thing appears every time because some people seem to have difficultly in accepting that Sera is hated by some.
 

And to be fair Sera is the only female character that I disliked from the most recent games, she is indeed transphobic and people can accept this or not but that is not my problem. I also think her concept is awful and it sad to see that as the first lesbian companion in DA.

[Sunnie]

For me personally after reading this thread, it almost sounds like Sera has a phobia of Elves and their histories, shes actually physically and mentally scared of them and when you as an elf say your interested in the history it sparks her fears (which honestly as phobias go can be scary serious) thats when she says good bye..

 

Its not because she hates you its because shes scared of what will happen..

 

 

The more i read into Sera the more she does seem like theirs a trapped god in her, maybe that is why she leaves you in case it may awaken more inside her. Shes slightly unhinged as it is maybe awakening the thing will send her even further over, into the depths of insanity..

 

She also has a phobia of the fade as well, which could be connected..

She doesn't have a phobia of elves, and she certainly isn't scared of them. What I see is someone who has seen what being an elf is to most of the world all her life, and wants to distance herself from that, even though she herself is an elf.

The only things that she is scared of is spirits and demons, and their ability to possess mages and become abominations.

Take Sera into the Auger's hut in Stone-Bear Hold, or to the Lady's Island, Sera has a few lines about how frightened she is. You don't get that from her when talking about or dealing with elves.

[KaiserShep]

she is indeed transphobic and people can accept this or not but that is not my problem.

 

I suppose it isn't really your problem whether or not one chooses to accept your opinion, but it might help if you actually cared to elaborate on this.
 

I mean really, where in any dialogue is anything remotely resembling fear, disgust, anger, discomfort or anything remotely resembling an antagonistic attitude expressed on this matter? I've explored quite a lot of dialogue so far, and I've yet to encounter it.

 

Edit: Out of curiosity, I decided to google "Sera is transphobic", and to my immense surprise, the first hits are on Tumblr, where overreaction is cultivated more than the bacteria in our yogurt. To have such a ridiculous reaction to what is essentially a recitation of juicy gossip at a party is kind of hilarious. There is no expression of beliefs; there is simply a set of examples of "scandals" being murmured between petty nobles.

[Mihura]

I suppose it isn't really your problem whether or not one chooses to accept your opinion, but it might help if you actually cared to elaborate on this.
 

I mean really, where in any dialogue is anything remotely resembling fear, disgust, anger, discomfort or anything remotely resembling an antagonistic attitude expressed on this matter? I've explored quite a lot of dialogue so far, and I've yet to encounter it.

 

You clearly think she is not transphobic, I clearly think she is. This is not gonna to change even with my most well put arguments. Also I am kinda tried of people wanting to invalidated it, if you do not agree good for you, it change nothing really.

 

I gave my assessment when it comes to Sera concept and character because the question is still asked in the forum. People can choose to accept that as valid or not, like I said.

[KaiserShep]

Why bother quoting me just to avoid the question? Anyway, I don't have to invalidate anything. A lack of any real basis does the job well enough.

[Mihura]

Why bother quoting me just to avoid the question? Anyway, I don't have to invalidate anything. A lack of any real basis does the job well enough.

 

If only lol

 

Why quoting me in the first place than, if I said it is not really my problem? I am not trying to convince anyone. I already tried that with my first reaction to her romance in the Sera topic, not going down that road again.

 

[Veovim]

For me personally after reading this thread, it almost sounds like Sera has a phobia of Elves and their histories, shes actually physically and mentally scared of them and when you as an elf say your interested in the history it sparks her fears (which honestly as phobias go can be scary serious) thats when she says good bye..

 

Its not because she hates you its because shes scared of what will happen..

 

She doesn't have a phobia of elves, and she certainly isn't scared of them. What I see is someone who has seen what being an elf is to most of the world all her life, and wants to distance herself from that, even though she herself is an elf.

I think a lot of this relates to Sera's experience with her adopted mother, who misled her into believing that people were discriminating against her for being an elf.  She seems to have to have taken it to heart that being an elf is a Bad Thing, and should be rejected at all costs.

 

Take the religious mess after the Temple of Mythal, for example.  I get the impression that Sera's problems with it are less about wanting the Chantry to be right, and more about wanting the elves to be wrong.  She never seems very religious--I got the impression that she never really cared, one way or the other--yet she has way more trouble with the evidence for the existence of the elven gods than much more devout Andrastians like Cassandra or Mother Giselle.  That's not to say that they don't have any trouble (Cassandra in particular), but they're willing to accept that maybe there's more to things than they previously understood, and they can reconcile this new evidence with their existing belief instead of treating it as an attack on them and their religion.

 

Sera's self-hatred is really rather tragic, and I think I'd find her quite sympathetic if she just wasn't so venomous overall.

[Sunnie]

You clearly think she is not transphobic, I clearly think she is. This is not gonna to change even with my most well put arguments. Also I am kinda tried of people wanting to invalidated it, if you do not agree good for you, it change nothing really.
 
I gave my assessment when it comes to Sera concept and character because the question is still asked in the forum. People can choose to accept that as valid or not, like I said.

Stating that she is "transphobic" but not giving any evidence to why you think she is doesn't lend any confidence in anyone else that you have a valid point.
It just appears that you don't like Sera (you openly admit that) so you are going to believe or make up reasons to justify your dislike of her.
 
Let's see what the definition is, shall we?
 
Transphobia (or much less commonly transprejudice) is a range of antagonistic attitudes and feelings against transsexuality and transsexual or transgender people, based on the expression of their internal gender identity (see Phobia – Terms for prejudice).

 

I've played through this game 3+ times, always with Sera in party and I have not once heard her say anything about any transgendered or transsexual person, ever.

Are you are basing your entire argument on 3 words during a conversation in the Winter Palace, where she is relaying what the Nobility are saying/doing? If so, really?

[Heimdall]

I think a lot of this relates to Sera's experience with her adopted mother, who misled her into believing that people were discriminating against her for being an elf.  She seems to have to have taken it to heart that being an elf is a Bad Thing, and should be rejected at all costs.
 
Take the religious mess after the Temple of Mythal, for example.  I get the impression that Sera's problems with it are less about wanting the Chantry to be right, and more about wanting the elves to be wrong.  She never seems very religious--I got the impression that she never really cared, one way or the other--yet she has way more trouble with the evidence for the existence of the elven gods than much more devout Andrastians like Cassandra or Mother Giselle.  That's not to say that they don't have any trouble (Cassandra in particular), but they're willing to accept that maybe there's more to things than they previously understood, and they can reconcile this new evidence with their existing belief instead of treating it as an attack on them and their religion.
 
Sera's self-hatred is really rather tragic, and I think I'd find her quite sympathetic if she just wasn't so venomous overall.

I'm really tired of explaining this, but Sera does not hate being an elf or hate elves. She does not reject being an elf. She rejects what other people tell her being an elf means because very little if any of it is true for her and she hates the "us versus them" viewpoint espoused by many elves, whom she has little in common with. Is that distinction too fine to grasp?

[Fiery Phoenix]

Are you are basing your entire argument on 3 words during a conversation in the Winter Palace, where she is relaying what the Nobility are saying/doing? If so, really?

That's the way it goes around these parts. Argumentative discourse at its amazing finest.

[KaiserShep]

Are you are basing your entire argument on 3 words during a conversation in the Winter Palace, where she is relaying what the Nobility are saying/doing? If so, really?

Doing a brief search, the three word comment at the Winter Palace is the only example I can find. I assume that it's the only one in the game that even qualifies, since she never mentions Krem.

[Heimdall]

Just a little warning..
 
I'm not one hundred percent certain but I'm pretty sure this person you're arguing with, is the same person who has a reputation of coming onto these forums and complaining about Sera, continues to recycle the same arguments over and over and over again.. and basically, it's like playing a never-ending tennis match, but with less grunting, more whining.

I'm pretty sure Mihura came into a previous thread complaining that Sera was a negative lesbian stereotype. (Which I found odd as she resembles no lesbian stereotype I've ever heard of)