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[Heimdall]

I would really love a way to remind her that her "little people" are still better treated than the elves. But we can't. I have to stay there and just "let it pass". And people actually say Solas is racist...Sera really make me sick...

I don't think she excludes elves from her "Little People", she just doesn't single them out.

[robertthebard]

I don't think she excludes elves from her "Little People", she just doesn't single them out.

She doesn't, and she points this out several times in dialog. I'd link videos, but really it's a waste of time. All this Sera-esque behavior to describe what's wrong with Sera is more amusing than some of these people would appreciate knowing.

[WildOrchid]

I find that Sera doesn't like anything I do to help elves in general. No matter if Dalish or City Elves. The only time I'm gentle with an elf and she approve is when I understand the lesbian scout that was having an affair with a rebel mage (if she is an Elf...I can't really say...). But I never seen any other interaction with elves that she approve of. None. But I must admit that after some time, I became really tired of her, so I left her in Skyhold for most of the time.

 

She approves if you help an elf lady in the Hinterlands, she also approves if you help that elf dude whose wife wants help from their son in the Hinterlands. She gets mad when she sees dead elven servants around in the Winter Palace.

Just because you haven't seen any, doesn't mean there isn't.

 

I wonder what Inquisitor Ameridan would have made of her.

 

Sera respects Ameridan and even got surpised by a certain fact we find out about him when we hear his memories, as "shocking" as it sounds to some of you.

She saw someone who actually did something and not once she said "oh another elf". In fact, in the whole DLC, not once she said anything bad about him just because he was elf.

[KBomb]

A lot of the people who are quick to label Sera as an Elf hater seem like they have made a snap judgement without giving her character much though. I never though Sera hated elves, because if you give a lot of what she says some honest thought and watched from what she approves and disapproves of.

I have to say she also seems pretty loyal to the Inquisition as a whole. I can't recall verbatim, but if she is with you in the Fallow Mire, she makes a remark that if the agents are injured or dead, the Avvar will be sorry.

Sera isn't a horrible or racist person. I think she is just immature in nature and experience. That is the essense of her character. She is, in many ways, an unruly teenager. That doesn't equal to being a wretched person. She grates, there is no doubt about it and I don't find a lot of her behavior to be endearing at all-- but she isn't a bad person. In my opinion, anyway.

[Felya87]

She approves if you help an elf lady in the Hinterlands, she also approves if you help that elf dude whose wife wants help from their son in the Hinterlands. She gets mad when she sees dead elven servants around in the Winter Palace.

Just because you haven't seen any, doesn't mean there isn't.

 

 

I've helped the elf with the potion for his wife to take from his son. She didn't approved nor disapproves. But she disapproved when my Inquisitor said to the boy to go back home. With the elven woman I had to take back her husband's ring no change again (solas approved, Cassandra slightly approved, she nothing.). At the time my character moved on to Skyhold, I stopped taking her with my Inquisitor, tired of loosing approval.

 

I may have a bug, or we don't like each other.

[KaiserShep]

I've helped the elf with the potion for his wife to take from his son. She didn't approved nor disapproves. But she disapproved when my Inquisitor said to the boy to go back home. With the elven woman I had to take back her husband's ring no change again (solas approved, Cassandra slightly approved, she nothing.). At the time my character moved on to Skyhold, I stopped taking her with my Inquisitor, tired of loosing approval.

 

I may have a bug, or we don't like each other.

 

On the first one, did you have the Inquisitor tell him to go home, or Solas? In my game, Sera always slightly approves of the former, but slightly disapproves of the latter. I'm not 100% certain as to what unlocks the dialogue so the Inquisitor can tell him his/herself, but I THINK that reading the letter in the parents' home makes the difference.

 

I'm not sure why she doesn't approve of you getting the ring for the elven woman in the outskirts. She consistently gains approval for that as well, though Solas gets a solid approval whereas everyone else is only slightly.

 

From my experience, she approves of nearly every act you help people or tell others to help people in the Hinterlands. Like the Winterwatch Cultists, telling them to help the refugees rather than spreading reputation or anything like that also gains approval.

[WildOrchid]

I've helped the elf with the potion for his wife to take from his son. She didn't approved nor disapproves. But she disapproved when my Inquisitor said to the boy to go back home. With the elven woman I had to take back her husband's ring no change again (solas approved, Cassandra slightly approved, she nothing.). At the time my character moved on to Skyhold, I stopped taking her with my Inquisitor, tired of loosing approval.

 

I may have a bug, or we don't like each other.

 

Sera approves of a lot of things the Inquisitor does in the Hinterlands. Not sure why you don't get approvals but i can assure you, to get a lot of Sera approvals, the Hinterlands - a place with so many refugees, humans and elves, is literally the perfect place for her. I haven't gotten that much in other places.

[WildOrchid]

Sera isn't a horrible or racist person. I think she is just immature in nature and experience. That is the essense of her character. She is, in many ways, an unruly teenager. That doesn't equal to being a wretched person. She grates, there is no doubt about it and I don't find a lot of her behavior to be endearing at all-- but she isn't a bad person. In my opinion, anyway.

 

That she is, i don't deny it either as a big Sera fan. What she needs is time and someone she likes enough (be it friend or lover) to teach her a lot of things. She's a peasant. Peasants tend to be ignorant in many things.....

 

She just needs time, Hence why i'm hoping in future DLC we'll see some of that growth she so needs.

 

 

What i don't like is the fact so many people so wrongly paint her as a bad person. Her heart is in the right place, she just shows it the wrong way in most cases.

[KaiserShep]

Sera approves of a lot of things the Inquisitor does in the Hinterlands. Not sure why you don't get approvals but i can assure you, to get a lot of Sera approvals, the Hinterlands - a place with so many refugees, humans and elves, is literally the perfect place for her. I haven't gotten that much in other places.

 

There aren't as many opportunities for anyone really. Once you're out of the Hinterlands it's mostly main quests and such. Like, the only thing I can recall in the Western approach that can get some approval from Sera is if you let that Tevinter mage die rather than take him in alive to pass judgment. I always take him in alive though, because I like getting all my agents.

[Felya87]

On the first one, did you have the Inquisitor tell him to go home, or Solas? In my game, Sera always slightly approves of the former, but slightly disapproves of the latter. I'm not 100% certain as to what unlocks the dialogue so the Inquisitor can tell him his/herself, but I THINK that reading the letter in the parents' home makes the difference.

 

I'm not sure why she doesn't approve of you getting the ring for the elven woman in the outskirts. She consistently gains approval for that as well, though Solas gets a solid approval whereas everyone else is only slightly.

 

From my experience, she approves of nearly every act you help people or tell others to help people in the Hinterlands. Like the Winterwatch Cultists, telling them to help the refugees rather than spreading reputation or anything like that also gains approval.

I've tried both ways (with Solas telling the guy to go home, and with my Inquisitor) I don't remember if I read the letter before or after having talked to him. She slightly disapproved either ways. And I didn't gain any approval for telling the cultists to help the refugees. Maybe it had to do with the fact that my current Inquisitor was an elf? But I didn't get approval either with the Qunari (for the refugees), so I guess is a bug.

I didn't had her for some of the missions in the Hintherlands, so I can't say for those. But as soon as I recruited her I decided to give her a chance, so I was running around with Sera, Solas and Cassandra. I got the usual approval from tasks from Solas and Cass, but Sera just approved of the scout girl, while she disapproved or was uninterested of the rest.

 

Sera approves of a lot of things the Inquisitor does in the Hinterlands. Not sure why you don't get approvals but i can assure you, to get a lot of Sera approvals, the Hinterlands - a place with so many refugees, humans and elves, is literally the perfect place for her. I haven't gotten that much in other places.

 

I really don't understand. I have given a try, even if I didn't really like her character (she remind me too much of persons I had the bad luck to grow up with, and I'm just glad I have never meet again, but I wanted to see the most of every character in DAI). Maybe I'll try again in the future (I have a dwarfette for Blackwall ready to start a new run) but for now she have irritated me quite a lot.

[WildOrchid]

I really don't understand. I have given a try, even if I didn't really like her character (she remind me too much of persons I had the bad luck to grow up with, and I'm just glad I have never meet again, but I wanted to see the most of every character in DAI). Maybe I'll try again in the future (I have a dwarfette for Blackwall ready to start a new run) but for now she have irritated me quite a lot.

 

I assume you didn't take her with you a lot, so take her with you in missions, pay attention to what she says. Get to know her, be her friend... it'd probably be easier if you RP your character as rebellious as Sera is.

And if she still annoys you, well at least you tried.

We're not going to like everyone, that's life.

[Felya87]

I assume you didn't take her with you a lot, so take her with you in missions, pay attention to what she says. Get to know her, be her friend... it'd probably be easier if you RP your character as rebellious as Sera is.

And if she still annoys you, well at least you tried.

We're not going to like everyone, that's life.

 

Is not exactly the first time I take her around...just the first time I have taken her around from the beginning (or almost). I had her in my party many times, but thanks to the banter bug, It was quite unuseful. The fact that I like play elves, didn't mix well either (first run Solas mancer, pro elves and pro mages. The only choices she approved of my character where the Wardens).

 

I think only my Qunari had some kind of friendship with her. (at least enought for the pranks). I'll try again, but it will be hard not having Varric in the team.

[KaiserShep]

I've tried both ways (with Solas telling the guy to go home, and with my Inquisitor) I don't remember if I read the letter before or after having talked to him. She slightly disapproved either ways. And I didn't gain any approval for telling the cultists to help the refugees. Maybe it had to do with the fact that my current Inquisitor was an elf? But I didn't get approval either with the Qunari (for the refugees), so I guess is a bug.

I didn't had her for some of the missions in the Hintherlands, so I can't say for those. But as soon as I recruited her I decided to give her a chance, so I was running around with Sera, Solas and Cassandra. I got the usual approval from tasks from Solas and Cass, but Sera just approved of the scout girl, while she disapproved or was uninterested of the rest.

 

I'm still getting the hang of how approval works in general, so I'm not aware of any special conditions that have to be met for this to happen, assuming that this isn't a bug. Perhaps it has something to do with her disposition, though if you haven't done any main quests yet, it's usually simple to have her be in the positive spectrum.

[Felya87]

I'm still getting the hang of how approval works in general, so I'm not aware of any special conditions that have to be met for this to happen, assuming that this isn't a bug. Perhaps it has something to do with her disposition, though if you haven't done any main quests yet, it's usually simple to have her be in the positive spectrum.

 

The thing irritated me quite a lot, but now this character have became way too enemy with Sera to try again (after the Hinterlands, I made her fit in her role as First, helped mages, and is one mission from sending the Wardens in exile). I'll keep this run as a CruelQuisitor run, who antagonize both Sera and Vivienne, I'll try being friendly the next run. Maybe with the new patch, or creating a new character things will be different.

[DanteYoda]

She doesn't have a phobia of elves, and she certainly isn't scared of them. What I see is someone who has seen what being an elf is to most of the world all her life, and wants to distance herself from that, even though she herself is an elf.

The only things that she is scared of is spirits and demons, and their ability to possess mages and become abominations.

Take Sera into the Auger's hut in Stone-Bear Hold, or to the Lady's Island, Sera has a few lines about how frightened she is. You don't get that from her when talking about or dealing with elves.

I never said she had a phobia of elves i said elven history, as soon as elven history or the fade pops up she goes into phobia mode and lashes out.

 

Spirits and demons and being possessed could very well fit with her god issues as well.

 

You do get fear from her when you enter the fade and the sentinel elves area (sorry not up with DA gods names)

[KaiserShep]

I imagine the fade would be a total nightmare for most people, especially since a lot of it reacts to a person's state of mind.

[DanteYoda]

I also got a lot of Approval from Sera in areas i expected disapproval, i think its more understanding her character and thinking what she'd like, you get a lot from the red jenny quests and boxes hidden around and helping her little people early on, don't basically fob her off as an extremist that usually starts the down hill slide.

 

I noticed she warms to you pretty well when you show interest in her ideals.

 

For me my issues weren't Sera it was Vivienne, i absolute hated her with a passion, i never took her anywhere much past her companion quests etc, and i didn't even care about her approval, for me she was an insidious evil person that i had zero time for..

 

But i don't try to understand her so i can't say for others, she for me had zero redeemable qualities. I guess like others feel of Sera.

[KaiserShep]

I don't think Vivienne is wrong in some of the things she says, but the level of snoot can be kind of grating in banter, with just about everyone at some point. It's good for amusement when bounced off of Dorian though.

[Felya87]

I quite like Vivienne. But I can't really gain much approval with her (I can't quite roleplay a pro circle character. Maybe with a dwarf I will). I have the same problem I have with Sera: can't really answer back her argumentations. Whatever are your Inquisitor ideas, they both have always the last word in the argumants.

 

I've noticed it happen quite frequently in Inquisition: from the lack of a way to answer back to some of the racist NPC (with an elf and a Qunari it happen quite a lot) to Bianca's treatening the Inquisitor, to not having the chance to really counter some things with many characters. Sometimes I have this feeling of condescention that irks me. Even with Mother Giselle or Josie. Even if the Inquisitor state many times she doesn't want to be called Herald of something she doesn't believe in, they are like "people will still see you as it, so shutup!" 

 

Would have been good to have a chance to declare that if an Herald the Inquistor must be, he/she feel as a Herald of elven gods-the Stone. Non believer in the Maker is the only answer Inquisitors can really give.

[JasonPogo]

Ok just to the Briala talk. Sera dose not like her since she is a player if "The Game". It has nothing to do with her being an elf. She hates that to bring down Celene and Gaspard she would let and even mastermind the death of hundreds of "little people". To Sera Briala is no different then Celene or Gaspard.

[Mihura]

Ok just to the Briala talk. Sera dose not like her since she is a player if "The Game". It has nothing to do with her being an elf. She hates that to bring down Celene and Gaspard she would let and even mastermind the death of hundreds of "little people". To Sera Briala is no different then Celene or Gaspard.

 

All of them are players of games actually, and true be told Leliana plan to help the elves and everyone else is the best one, if indeed Briala can kept power with Gaspard has a puppet.

The problem here is that she approves of you saving Celene, the same person that burned an elven alienage because of the illusion of loosing power. How come she does not hate her? it is because Sera founds Celene hot? really? I just found it sad that the people in the Inquisition that want to help the real little people are most of the time humans with questionable pasts.

[KaiserShep]

The problem here is that she approves of you saving Celene, the same person that burned an elven alienage because of the illusion of loosing power. How come she does not hate her? it is because Sera founds Celene hot? really? I just found it sad that the people in the Inquisition that want to help the real little people are most of the time humans with questionable pasts.

 

Does Sera even know about this? Briala never tells us herself, and as far as I can tell, none of the companions seem to know about it. Vivienne might, given her connections, but I never took her to the Winter Palace so I have no idea. It's very likely that Leliana has some awareness of it, but I don't recall her ever telling the Inquisitor.

[Patchwork]

Does Sera even know about this? Briala never tells us herself, and as far as I can tell, none of the companions seem to know about it. Vivienne might, given her connections, but I never took her to the Winter Palace so I have no idea. It's very likely that Leliana has some awareness of it, but I don't recall her ever telling the Inquisitor.

 

Wouldn't it be common knowledge? Celene marched chevaliers into Halamshiral and slaughtered a lot of elves, it doesn't seem like something that could be kept quiet. 

 

The play  being her motivation is probably not well know but the rebellion itself was big news in Orlais. 

[KBomb]

Wouldn't it be common knowledge? Celene marched chevaliers into Halamshiral and slaughtered a lot of elves, it doesn't seem like something that could be kept quiet.

The play being her motivation is probably not well know but the rebellion itself was big news in Orlais.

I agree. I find it very hard to believe Sera wouldn't have knowledge of those events. She may not know the politics and motivations behind it, but there is no way she is oblivious of the march. Every noble house in Orlais would be talking about it, which means every "little person" would be discussing it-- especially the elven servants, of which there are many.