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[DarkKnightHolmes]

No, Bioware I will give you £20 (£ > $) if you kill off every romance in the next DLC. It'll be much more glorious and then Bioware can focus on making better side quests instead of cheesy romance scenes.

[Grieving Natashina]

I would. It took Cullen 2 games. I don't think Bioware will jump full in with Harding in one game.

Eh, I disagree.  I think they have laid more groundwork in this game for future development of Harding's character than they were able to with Cullen in Origins.  It helps that every time you go into a new zone, Harding is there waiting for you.   In Origins, you only saw Cullen twice (and one of those was only if you played a mage,) and in DA2, with a few exceptions, you had to make it a point to go talk to him to learn more about him.  Harding is always in Skyhold as well, and while she doesn't have a ton of dialogue, I believe it's enough of a foundation for her to appear in the next game.

 

Besides, I think she'd make a pretty good companion for a PC in the next game to ask questions regarding the Inquisition.  The answers would vary a bit depending upon the player's choices and actions in DA:I.

[In Exile]

Eh, I disagree. I think they have laid more groundwork in this game for future development of Harding's character than they were able to with Cullen in Origins. It helps that every time you go into a new zone, Harding is there waiting for you. In Origins, you only saw Cullen twice (and one of those was only if you played a mage,) and in DA2, with a few exceptions, you had to make it a point to go talk to him to learn more about him. Harding is always in Skyhold as well, and while she doesn't have a ton of dialogue, I believe it's enough of a foundation for her to appear in the next game.

Besides, I think she'd make a pretty good companion for a PC in the next game to ask questions regarding the Inquisition. The answers would vary a bit depending upon the player's choices and actions in DA:I.

I see your comparison with Cullen. In hindsight, I suppose you're right about her appearance. She's just such a nonentity to me in them. She has a bit of banter and a quip about the region, which I suppose is nice but not any more notable to me than an NPC like Cullen in DA2.

I guess her character just never clicked for me like it did with others.

[Grieving Natashina]

I see your comparison with Cullen. In hindsight, I suppose you're right about her appearance. She's just such a nonentity to me in them. She has a bit of banter and a quip about the region, which I suppose is nice but not any more notable to me than an NPC like Cullen in DA2.

I guess her character just never clicked for me like it did with others.

She's neither my favorite NPC nor a nonentity for me.  I guess I'm excited about possibly having a lady dwarf as a party member for more than an expansion.  I've been waiting for this since BG2 came out over 16 years ago.  I'm prepared to continue to wait, but I think my gut instinct is correct on this one.  Harding's not too bad personality-wise, even if she does need more depth, and she appears to have fighting skills.  So I figure, why not?  I'd enjoy her being a romance (a dwarven LI would be a first for BW,) but I think she should be in a main game regardless.

[Hellion Rex]

I see your comparison with Cullen. In hindsight, I suppose you're right about her appearance. She's just such a nonentity to me in them. She has a bit of banter and a quip about the region, which I suppose is nice but not any more notable to me than an NPC like Cullen in DA2.

I guess her character just never clicked for me like it did with others.

I agree. I mean, she seems ok, but I never really developed a like or love for the character.

[In Exile]

She's neither my favorite NPC nor a nonentity for me. I guess I'm excited about possibly having a lady dwarf as a party member for more than an expansion. I've been waiting for this since Throne of Bhaal came out over 15 years ago. Harding's not too bad personality-wise, even if she does need more depth, and she appears to have fighting skills. So I figure, why not? I'd enjoy her being a romance (a dwarven LI would be first for BW,) but I think she should be in a main game regardless.

I understand that part of it. I just suppose I would have liked a different kind of dwarf. She's just another tough warrior lady, which there's nothing wrong with but which Bioware has done a lot as a character lately. I'd much prefer something different. Even something like the brilliant but selfish and entirely reckless Bianca.

She just feels so bland to me. Have you played POE? I actually like the female dwarf character in that game a lot. She's cool (and an archer).

[Grieving Natashina]

I understand that part of it. I just suppose I would have liked a different kind of dwarf. She's just another tough warrior lady, which there's nothing wrong with but which Bioware has done a lot as a character lately. I'd much prefer something different. Even something like the brilliant but selfish and entirely reckless Bianca.

She just feels so bland to me. Have you played POE? I actually like the female dwarf character in that game a lot. She's cool (and an archer).

To be fair, we haven't seen much of Harding's real personality yet.  With Bianca, they had to cram all of her personality into a handful of scenes, so it's no wonder she's a bit more developed.  Bianca did get some development outside of the games though in the comics, which also helped.  I don't think Harding's boring so much as that there is more story to tell.  Cullen seemed pretty boring at first too.  For me, he was the "shellshocked guy in the mage's tower" guy until I played a mage.  Even then, he was "shellshocked guy in the mage tower that used to have a crush on the Warden."  He actually became interesting in DA2.

 

I haven't played PoE.  I've heard good things, but I checked out the vids and reviews.  It's not for me.  <shrug>

[In Exile]

To be fair, we haven't seen much of Harding's real personality yet. With Bianca, they had to cram all of her personality into a handful of scenes, so it's no wonder she's a bit more developed. Bianca did get some development outside of the games though in the comics, which also helped. I don't think Harding's boring so much as that there is more story to tell. Cullen seemed pretty boring at first too. For me, he was the "shellshocked guy in the mage's tower" guy until I played a mage. Even then, he was "shellshocked guy in the mage tower that used to have a crush on the Warden." He actually became interesting in DA2.

I haven't played PoE. I've heard good things, but I checked out the vids and reviews. It's not for me. <shrug>

Harding is mundane. At least by all counts so far. She had a unremarkable life and then enlisted. And I tend to care very little for mundane NPCs. I just don't find them interesting. The one exception so far is Sera, but that's her insane personality shining through.

I suppose DA4 could try to convince me she did something meaningful for the Inquisition but I happened to be there for that plot and her role wasn't major or really involve her in anything of note.

Again I fully support a dwarf character, I just don't like Harding.

[Grieving Natashina]

Harding is mundane. At least by all counts so far. She had a unremarkable life and then enlisted. And I tend to care very little for mundane NPCs. I just don't find them interesting. The one exception so far is Sera, but that's her insane personality shining through.

I suppose DA4 could try to convince me she did something meaningful for the Inquisition but I happened to be there for that plot and her role wasn't major or really involve her in anything of note.

Again I fully support a dwarf character, I just don't like Harding.

I don't see her that way.  I also don't see anything wrong with a mundane character at all, but Sera?  Er...

 

Sera had one mode the overwhelming majority of the time: Childlike Prankster.  She actually took three playthroughs in order for me to like her very much.  She felt very two-dimensional more often than not to me, and I was disappointed with how much of a stereotypical prankster with parent issues she ended up coming across in many scenes.

 

Yeah, give me someone not the leader of a faction, or potentially a world leader, or a crazy archer, or a famous storyteller in my party.  I would enjoy having someone that wasn't a Tevinter rebel, or confused qunari.   In fact, after having a party of (in)famous and overall powerful people in this game, it would be nice to see someone that appears "mundane" down the road.  She didn't tell the Inquisitor much, but that doesn't mean it's her entire story.  I suspect that Maevaris may also be a companion (though no way she'd ever be a LI,) and someone that's larger than life like her would balance out Harding well.  

 

One could argue that Cullen, aside from the end, wasn't all that major either in DA2 (nothing personal Cullen fans.)  He appeared in one quest, then once at the end.   I found him generic as hell honestly, until this game.   He was Meredith's second-in-command, but I never saw that having much of an impact on the plot of DA2 at all.  He was there show the player that templars were getting possessed, and to save Hawke from dying by the mages or the templars, and that was pretty much his importance.  I saw the potential for his character growth though, and I can see the same here with Harding.   

 

I know we won't agree on this one, but it's been nice reading your POV.  We can chalk this up to a big case of YMMV.

[In Exile]

I don't see her that way.  I also don't see anything wrong with a mundane character at all, but Sera?  Er...

 

Sera had one mode the overwhelming majority of the time: Childlike Prankster.  She actually took three playthroughs in order for me to like her very much.  She felt very two-dimensional more often than not to me, and I was disappointed with how much of a stereotypical prankster with parent issues she ended up coming across in many scenes.

 

Yeah, give me someone not the leader of a faction, or potentially a world leader, or a crazy archer, or a famous storyteller in my party.  I would enjoy having someone that wasn't a Tevinter rebel, or confused qunari.   In fact, after having a party of (in)famous and overall powerful people in this game, it would be nice to see someone that appears "mundane" down the road.  She didn't tell the Inquisitor much, but that doesn't mean it's her entire story.  I suspect that Maevaris may also be a companion (though no way she'd ever be a LI,) and someone that's larger than life like her would balance out Harding well.  

 

One could argue that Cullen, aside from the end, wasn't all that major either in DA2 (nothing personal Cullen fans.)  He appeared in one quest, then once at the end.   I found him generic as hell honestly, until this game.   He was Meredith's second-in-command, but I never saw that having much of an impact on the plot of DA2 at all.  He was there show the player that templars were getting possessed, and to save Hawke from dying by the mages or the templars, and that was pretty much his importance.  I saw the potential for his character growth though, and I can see the same here with Harding.   

 

I know we won't agree on this one, but it's been nice reading your POV.  We can chalk this up to a big case of YMMV.

 

I appreciate your POV as well. To complete my thoughts (and share my views on the characters):

 

I don't like Sera because of who she is so much as how she talks. It's like a word puzzle that's put through the blender. She's speaking mostly nonsense until you can figure out her register and the tenor of her speech, which (to me as the player) makes it interesting to listen to her. Once she gets to her actual background and experiences I don't care very much for them, but they don't take up a great deal of her character. And she's interesting in how intolerant she is of her own culture, and how she's shaped by that so very much. I can't say she's a person I like, but I find her interesting as a character.

 

Whereas someone honestly mundane and well adjusted? Absolutely nothing will get me to care. It's absolutely a personal failing, and being drawn to "interesting" people has generally made my personal life a bit of a mess, but we are who we are.

 

To me, Cullen became interesting once he became someone. In DAO he was a nobody, though he was at least mostly nuts by the end an somewhat of an advocate for genocide. In DA2, he was basically a militant thug for a mostly crazy tyrant, despite his heel-face switch at the end. And in DA:I, he became a military figure of some note. He doesn't have a noble or storied background by DA:O, but I'd say by the time he's prominent in the Inquisition he's as (in)famous as the rest of the band of misfits that usually makes up the RPG band.

 

To me Scout Harding doesn't work because there's nothing quite comparable to Cullen in her in DA:I - she's just an apparently competent scout who does a decent job scouting things and then chills at Skyhold periodically. Frankly, she's a bit like pre-Suicide mission Jacob to me  (though without the clear HR Sexual Harrasment Lawsuit Pending dialogue options of either gender). Maybe I'm not giving enough credit to her (I was about to say selling short, but I like my throat not filled with arrows...). So in that regard I'm open to Bioware suprising me.

Re: Mae, I'm not as sure she'll be in without DG, but then we've seen PW take up the mantle before in this regard.

[Sartoz]

Paying Bioware twenty bucks gets you the full girlfriend experiance does it? XD

LOL!!!

[b10d1v]

I don't think we'll see any sort of culmination with Scout Harding in this game (though I suppose it's definitely possible in DLC, if they choose to do an extended one)(should probably mention I haven't touched Jaws of Hakkon yet, so I can't speak as to what's there. If I'm missing a detail, let me know and I'll fix the post ).

 

However, if they decide to keep her around next game, either with the Inquisitor making a return or with her moving on, I'm sure we'll see her as an LI option. She's one of the popular NPCs.

 

The main reason I don't think she'll be included in this game as an LI is because there are enough people who would clutch their pearls and accuse Bioware of specifically creating content and withholding it to sell later. I don't think that's the case, in particular with Scout Harding, but I don't think they want to take that risk either.

What they did add has not worked reliably, but with a myriad array of quest inconsistencies and conflicts that was no surprise.  "Have a drink" got as far as the door and then she vanished with the typical lost NPC behavior.

 

No Hakkon here either, pity that inquisitions has jaded me so. 

[Mihura]

I really liked her now role in the last DLCs but I am not seeing that happening anytime soon, probably next game. Although I would pay the same amount for good companion content, not necessary romance wise but can be included too.

[papercut_ninja]

$20 will not get you that kind of girl dear...

[SofaJockey]

... I wouldn't be surprised if Harding was a LI and a companion in the next game.  ...

 

This, just this. 

[Shevy]

I would rather throw them 20 bucks for a fleshed out story expansion. Romance in games normally doesn't interest me because the most feel awkward due to the lack of complexity in comparison to a real one - aside from a short moment of fun.

 

However, I would like to see Harding as a companion or just in a bigger role in DA 4. She needs more background and personal plots, sure, but she has a lot of potential. BioWare knows she is popular - hence the screentime in JoH - and I think she will find her way in a new installment ( DA 4 or DA:I post ending expansion).

[RawToast]

I'd rather not have her be an added romance for DAI, it'd be half assed and would fit in weirdly. It'd be better if she's a romance option in the next game, as they'd be able to put in more effort and resources (which means more content), and she'd be a better developed character.

 

Though whether Bioware will decide to do so is up in the air at this point. Given Harding's popularity it's likely they'll do something with her in the next game.

 

But yeah, as much as i love Harding, i ain't forking over 20 bucks just to romance her. I'd rather put that money towards story DLC or more content for our current companions.

[Bunny]

Romanceable for $20:

 

http://forum.bioware...-show-us-yours/

 

[Felis Menari]

I'd rather not have her be an added romance for DAI, it'd be half assed and would fit in weirdly. It'd be better if she's a romance option in the next game, as they'd be able to put in more effort and resources (which means more content), and she'd be a better developed character.

 

Though whether Bioware will decide to do so is up in the air at this point. Given Harding's popularity it's likely they'll do something with her in the next game.

 

But yeah, as much as i love Harding, i ain't forking over 20 bucks just to romance her. I'd rather put that money towards story DLC or more content for our current companions.

Well, she could be the (slightly better than) Kelly Chambers of Dragon Age: Inquisition. I could live with that, being that at least then I feel like I would have a choice for a love interest other than just Cassandra. I know there's Josephine, but...no, just no.

[SwobyJ]

My friend is 'romancing' Scout Harding only, and I think he'd appreciate this. lol

[RMP _]

I wouldn't pay $20 but I'd have easily chosen Harding over Cassandra or Josephine.

[Maker Be Damned]

Scout Harding reduced to a $20 hooker.

 

Isn't she short enough?

[Amne YA]

Jaws hakkon 14 $ or a 20 $ dwarf sex
hmmm dwarf sex for sure