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Necromancy should be popular among the qunari


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The two important things here are: the qunari don't see corpses as having any significance, because the body is no longer its former occupant, and they abhor waste. Putting these together, it seems quite logical to me that, if the qunari should somehow manage to train their saarebas for it properly, they'd be all over necromancy; using both their own dead to extract more duty out of them, and spreading fear into the enemy by raising the enemy's dead. Where they might get this training is somewhat unclear, but we do know that there are Tevinter necromancers, so it doesn't seem impossible that, somehow, the knowledge might leak.

 

Of course, the qunari are unlikely to do anything intelligent when it comes to magic, but this particular use of it seems very much in line with their philosophy.



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I never caught an indication that Saarebas receive any training at all.


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I never caught an indication that Saarebas receive any training at all.

Possible, but it'd seem like an odd hole in standard qunari orderliness, especially since Tal-Vashoth saarebas do receive training comparable to that of a Circle mage.



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Necromancy involves summoning spirits. Any magic involving spirits is anethema to the qunari.

 

If the qunari train their mages, it's to do a few simple spells and that's it.


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Possible, but it'd seem like an odd hole in standard qunari orderliness, especially since Tal-Vashoth saarebas do receive training comparable to that of a Circle mage.

 

They don't believe that magic is something that can be truly controlled or understood. Saarebas are just weapons pointed in the direction of the enemy.


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They don't believe that magic is something that can be truly controlled or understood. Saarebas are just weapons pointed in the direction of the enemy.

So the qunari are just complete idiots? Bah, fair enough.



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I never caught an indication that Saarebas receive any training at all.

 

Just adding to this:

 

The Qunari fear magic. It's why they have their Saarebas' chained up and are kept on a tight leash. As far as we know, the Qunari do not train the Saarebas, likely because of this fear. It's unlikely they would train them in the art of necromancy. They would also likely consider the risen as an abomination, because it lacks soul.



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The two important things here are: the qunari don't see corpses as having any significance, because the body is no longer its former occupant, and they abhor waste. Putting these together, it seems quite logical to me that, if the qunari should somehow manage to train their saarebas for it properly, they'd be all over necromancy; using both their own dead to extract more duty out of them, and spreading fear into the enemy by raising the enemy's dead. Where they might get this training is somewhat unclear, but we do know that there are Tevinter necromancers, so it doesn't seem impossible that, somehow, the knowledge might leak.

Of course, the qunari are unlikely to do anything intelligent when it comes to magic, but this particular use of it seems very much in line with their philosophy.


It wouldn't be because it invokes spirit communication. The Qun views the very fact of interaction with Fade entities corrupting. There's no way to practice necromancy without that element of it. Thereby there's no way for it to be condoned in the Qun.
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Who knows, it probably against their rules anyways.

 

"A dead thing must stay dead" is probably what they'll say


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Qunari's only use for mage is "overwhelming attack dog"


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Yeah, between their antipathy towards magic in general, and the fact that the powers of the saarebaas are basically outbursts of undirected power rather than anything that's been formally refined and taught, I can't see the Qunari approving of necromancy at all, even this watered down necromancy in name only we see in Inquisition.



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They don't like spirits, whivch necromancy requires.

 

They don't allow Saarebases to learn anything.

 

They don't let Saarebases give orders, which necromancy requires (orders for the corpses).



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Taken from an interview with David Gaider by Lady Insanity

"LI: Qunari magic. As far as the Saarebas. I believe the Inquisitor will have - a Qunari mage Inquisitor will have basically Chantry-based spells and access to that.

DG: The Qunari player was never a Saarebas. A Saarebas is somebody who is essentially a hedge mage because they never received proper instruction. So, they - their talent are expressed - sort of turned into weapons. Any kind of instructions they receive is basically to challenge their magic power into destructive manners. So they just point a Saarebas at somebody and shoot, is basically all the Qunari would permit. They're not going to have more subtle arts - they won't be able to do crowd control. Or do different things.

LI: So, it's all geared towards destruction when it comes to Saarebas?

DG: Yes, they consider all the Saarebas to be weapons. The Qunari player is someone who did not live in the Qun at all."

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Not sure how canon DA:Redemtion is, but in it there wasa saarebas that was capable of some pretty advanced blood magic.

 

Eitherway, it seems like each Saarebas is more or less self taught. So skill and techniques will vary from Saarebas to Sarebas



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Not sure how canon DA:Redemtion is, but in it there wasa saarebas that was capable of some pretty advanced blood magic.

 

Eitherway, it seems like each Saarebas is more or less self taught. So skill and techniques will vary from Saarebas to Sarebas

 

Probably demon-taught?



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While it may seem like a logical step, it really isn't when you look at the Qun as we've seen it presented.

 

Recall how the members of the antaam in Da2 react when you go after the Tal Vashoth, rather than being grateful they remark that you stole their purpose. Despite this being a very dangerous task, they would have preferred to do so themselves. This we can also see in the snippets of qunari text we have in the codex: people have purpose, and they can only be at peace with themselves and the world if they follow that purpose. The dead have no use for a purpose, the dead are dead.

 

People are their purpose. Raising the dead to do their work for them is to rid them of their purpose, and thus by extension their selves, would not be the logical conclusion of their philosophy. It'd be a twisted mockery of it.

 

What point would it be to raise the dead to remove the need to work when the work itself is what is desireable? Results are important to the Qunari, but the process of getting there even more so.

 

The difference between using a machine to assist and the walking dead to assist (aside from how disturbing it would be) is that the qunari who'se purpose it is to do a certain task can learn to operate a machine to do his/her work more efficiently, whereas only a sareebas could command the walking dead. It would mean someone else having to do your work for you.

 

So even if the Qunari changed to become accepting of magic (unlikely to happen, since it's tied to the same belief outlined above) they still would only raise the dead for labour as a last resort.

 

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Besides... raising the dead for labour would be an insanely dangerous endavour. Looking past the sanitary concerns, the walking dead are still likely to frighten and upset people. Their bodies may be empty shells, but they used to be people they knew after all! And in the wake of those emotions come the demons of rage and terror.

 

And the pure hubris of it all might just attract demons of pride.

 

Nothing you want around those bodies you've yet to raise in other words.... or your mages for that matter.

 

Plus... have we ever seen undead used for anything other than the purely mindlessly destructive?