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[KaiserShep]

I think Skyrim and DA is kind of an unfair comparison. Skyrim's characters are, by and large lifeless, and pretty uninspired. I can't actually think of a single memorable character from Skyrim. So when you mod them you're just adding stuff to what is essentially a blank slate.

 

Dragon Age's characters are actual fictional people, in the sense that they are their own character with back stories, motives and personality and (I guess in some people's mind) a distinctive look. So changing that character to fit your own desires, whether physically or personality wise is kind of destroying a character to rebuild it as something you want. You're not falling in love with Cassandra, your falling in love with Bi!Cassandra or whatever.

 

I'm ambivalent about the whole issue but I kind of get this point (assuming this is the point that these people are trying to make). And really nobody is asking you to conform to the same standards. If you don't like Cassandra's look, and that's enough to make you unwilling to romance her, just don't romance her. I don't like Dorian's mustache for example and I don't feel like I should.

 

Modding's weirdly like fanfiction.

 

This is why I'm patiently waiting for the Universal Amicability mod, which makes all companions yield great approval for everything you do.

[TheOgre]

first thread that I come back to after a good month of lurking..

 

[Panda]

There are mods to change male characters appearances are they sexist? I don't think any of them are sexist, if they were the people would be against her being a fighter in the first place as that is a typical "male" role in society. I understand that its a bigger deal for woman than man when you comes to appearance because a higher value is put upon a woman appearance than a man's. 

 

But I do agree that Cass scars serve a purpose and tell you a lot about her character and to remove them seems silly but people have modded appearances since DA:O (made Wynne young & attractive) and I don't think it comes a place of hate but their personal preferences. 

 

I think it comes down to the fact that humans in general like beautiful things, there are reasons why most celebrities are attractive people (with no facial markings) regardless of their fields. its why Photoshop is such a big deal in society.

 

Cass is attractive with her scars IMO but I Don't find Iron Bull to be attractive does that make a bad person No but just a person with a preference, we all have preferences.

 

Depends on mod really and why person wants to use it. Is it to give plastic surgery to female warrior, cause you don't like her profession showing? Cause male warriors are allowed to be scarred and rough-looking, but female warriors not? Or is it simply changing some aspect like armor, eye color or hairstyle to other cause you think it looks better or you want change? I think there is difference between these two and sometimes preferences can come from negative things like sexism, racism (preference of white Isabela over black one for example) etc.

 

I don't think people should find everyone attractive, since people usually have types and well preferences. But does that matter so much, that one needs to change character up with mods and if it matters where do these preferences come from and do they fight against the character? Everyone can mod, it's not illegal to do so regardless of mod, but people have also freedom to be against mods and reasons why people mod their characters.

 

I don't find Iron Bull attractive-lookwise either. One reason for it is his bit alien look, I mean he doesn't look much like human. Closer than Garrus I guess, maybe in Thane's level? ^^ I don't think I would be attracted to his looks even if he was human version of himself, but that doesn't mean his looks should be altered in my opinion. I still want to romance him, cause I like his personality and his romance sounds exciting

[DanteYoda]

I think Skyrim and DA is kind of an unfair comparison. Skyrim's characters are, by and large lifeless, and pretty uninspired. I can't actually think of a single memorable character from Skyrim. So when you mod them you're just adding stuff to what is essentially a blank slate.

 

Dragon Age's characters are actual fictional people, in the sense that they are their own character with back stories, motives and personality and (I guess in some people's mind) a distinctive look. So changing that character to fit your own desires, whether physically or personality wise is kind of destroying a character to rebuild it as something you want. You're not falling in love with Cassandra, your falling in love with Bi!Cassandra or whatever.

 

I'm ambivalent about the whole issue but I kind of get this point (assuming this is the point that these people are trying to make). And really nobody is asking you to conform to the same standards. If you don't like Cassandra's look, and that's enough to make you unwilling to romance her, just don't romance her. I don't like Dorian's mustache for example and I don't feel like I should.

 

Modding's weirdly like fanfiction.

You are right mostly, i didn't romance Cassandra, i made a male Dwarf and realized the Female options then decided i wouldn't romance anyone, after reading about all the companions i decided i liked Sera a lot so i deleted my male Dwarf and made a female as she was locked from males.

 

I have nothing against gay relationships, it just doesn't do anything for me, but Sera seemed more lifelike than all the rest.

 

I would mod sera's hair too, if i could and even make her bi with mods, obviously it will offend some but i feel as i said its my copy of the game, if anyone would make the mods of course.. I'm no where near invested into Dragon Age to be worried about deep personalities and lore, its cool and all but its still just a game for me.

You are only one I have heard to say this so probaply it's just your video then I don't actually find him that attractive, not my type, although he's still quite okay looking.

 

I don't have much concept on butch, but first thing that came to my mind with Cass was Catwoman. Other was: I want that haircut! I think she looks great warrior-like woman to me, she's look-wise like ideal of woman to me.

I'll have to take a screenshot and ask in its own thread, because mine looks far too unwell lol

 

What I meant is - it is easier for woman to overlook man's flaws than the other way around. I doubt that people pay much attention to the fact that she is warrior. That's only explanation I can find to why her scars removing mod is more popular.

 

Me personally, I don't mind scars in the game nor in RL. 

Funnily the scars don't affect me much either.

[GreyWarden_Smith]

Depends on mod really and why person wants to use it. Is it to give plastic surgery to female warrior, cause you don't like her profession showing? Cause male warriors are allowed to be scarred and rough-looking, but female warriors not? Or is it simply changing some aspect like armor, eye color or hairstyle to other cause you think it looks better or you want change? I think there is difference between these two and sometimes preferences can come from negative things like sexism, racism (preference of white Isabela over black one for example) etc.

 

I don't think people should find everyone attractive, since people usually have types and well preferences. But does that matter so much, that one needs to change character up with mods and if it matters where do these preferences come from and do they fight against the character? Everyone can mod, it's not illegal to do so regardless of mod, but people have also freedom to be against mods and reasons why people mod their characters.

 

I don't find Iron Bull attractive-lookwise either. One reason for it is his bit alien look, I mean he doesn't look much like human. Closer than Garrus I guess, maybe in Thane's level? ^^ I don't think I would be attracted to his looks even if he was human version of himself, but that doesn't mean his looks should be altered in my opinion. I still want to romance him, cause I like his personality and his romance sounds exciting

 

Totally agree I'm against the mods that change appearance drastically (Isabella white mod) but I'm okay with different hairstyles, eyes colour or armours. People are free to use the mods as they like I'm not against mods their just visual fan-fiction or personal changes. 

 

I love the mods that change the Skyhold attire.

 

I think context and reasons behind the mods being used by a person are important but the mods themselves are okay in the most part. I think a sexist will use a mod for sexist reasons but non-sexist won't and will have a different reason maybe they want all the characters to be perfect like a JRPG for example.

 

*I Don't think many true male sexists would play the Dragon Age franchise due to positive focus the franchise has on females as a whole.

[Tex]

I think Skyrim and DA is kind of an unfair comparison. Skyrim's characters are, by and large lifeless, and pretty uninspired. I can't actually think of a single memorable character from Skyrim. So when you mod them you're just adding stuff to what is essentially a blank slate.
 
Dragon Age's characters are actual fictional people, in the sense that they are their own character with back stories, motives and personality and (I guess in some people's mind) a distinctive look. So changing that character to fit your own desires, whether physically or personality wise is kind of destroying a character to rebuild it as something you want. You're not falling in love with Cassandra, your falling in love with Bi!Cassandra or whatever.
 
I'm ambivalent about the whole issue but I kind of get this point (assuming this is the point that these people are trying to make). And really nobody is asking you to conform to the same standards. If you don't like Cassandra's look, and that's enough to make you unwilling to romance her, just don't romance her. I don't like Dorian's mustache for example and I don't feel like I should.
 
Modding's weirdly like fanfiction.

Well I thought Babette was quite memorable such a funny little vampire always made me laugh but that's just me.

[Panda]

I'll have to take a screenshot and ask in its own thread, because mine looks far too unwell lol

 

Maybe lyrium withdrawal symptoms have started finally to kick in ^^

[DaemionMoadrin]

Totally agree I'm against the mods that change appearance drastically (Isabella white mod) but I'm okay with different hairstyles, eyes colour or armours. People are free to use the mods as they like I'm not against mods their just visual fan-fiction or personal changes. 

 

I love the mods that change the Skyhold attire.

 

I think context and reasons behind the mods being used by a person are important but the mods themselves are okay in the most part. I think a sexist will use a mod for sexist reasons but non-sexist won't and will have a different reason maybe they want all the characters to be perfect like a JRPG for example.

 

*I Don't think many true male sexists would play the Dragon Age franchise due to positive focus the franchise has on females as a whole.

 

 

And again I ask: Why do you care if some person on the other side of the world mods their single player game? Does it in any way affect you or anyone but that person?

 

Are there mods that are not polically correct, disgusting, sexist, degrading, silly and wrong? Sure. So what? You don't have to look at it. You don't have to use it.

 

I don't believe someone is sexist for changing their own experience with a game. It's just a fantasy, it doesn't affect anyone else. I mean, seriously?! It's not like walking up to a woman and telling her, "I'd date you if you get a nosejob and grow out your hair."

 

You could claim that someone who mods a game does not respect the developer's artistic vision. But that's it. Everything else is just a matter of taste.

 

Sexism, per definition, is discrimination based on gender and gender roles. Tell me, who does a mod discriminate against? The NPC? Not a real person, sorry.

If someone behaved that way towards an actual person, then it would be sexism. But what someone does on their own, without any victims... sorry, that's not sexism.

 

Just to repeat my point from my earlier post: I do not support these kinds of mods and wouldn't use them myself. But I would never dream of forbidding them, discriminating against people who use them or in some way look down on them.

 

The parallel to fanfiction works quite well. There are ~16k DA fanfics on fanfiction.net. There are thousands of artworks and stories on deviantArt. If I actually looked, I'd probably be able to find a few thousand more. Now, did BioWare ever speak out against fanfiction? In any shape or form? No, they did not. So why would it be okay to change the characters, stories, settings, mechanics etc of Dragon Age in fanfiction but not in mods?

 

Modding doesn't infringe on any person's rights. At most it would infringe on BioWare's intellectual property and/or violate the Terms and Conditions. Not that they'd ever know because it's a single player game and no one ever gets to see what happens in there.

 

It's really not a difficult point to understand...

[GreyWarden_Smith]

I understand completely... I am on a similar page

 

I'm fine with mods & I don't care what people do with their games, they can do what ever they want to do. I'm not gonna claim that my opinion on anything is defining.

 

I'm pro-mod as they make more happy than unhappy, I decide what ones I would use and people can decide what ones they want to use. I'm not saying someone is sexist for using a mod that's stupid, I'am saying that a sexist (which is term that get flown around too much nowadays) would use a mod for their own reasons.

[turuzzusapatuttu]

Cassandra is beautiful. Period.

 

[Dieb]

You see, the thing that puzzles me in particular, is how BioWare games even generally have at least the one "perfect" or "generally beautiful enough" looking woman, yet people jump to the one supposed to be "edgy" and demand her to be straightened out (ha).

 

My personal stuck-up reasoning is: You like her personality so much -> you can live with the exterior / You need perfect looking women -> you can hardly care much about personality since all edgy characters have an exterior that goes with their personality.

 

I don't want Jack without ink, scars or cult-related shaved head, I don't want Cass without fierce features, scars and practical hair. I'm neither a Jack fanatic nor do I have Cass tatooed on my forearm, but I appreciate their weight and role in the games, and they are excellent examples of how character design can be more than weird hair and tons of belt buckles.

 

I'm not declaring whether people are allowed to, or shouldn't. I'm discussing what their freaking point is. Because I want to know.  Everyone comes here to share their views and to discuss those of others. Saying otherwise is as believeable as a goth teenager claiming "I don't care what anyone thinks".

[Dread-Reaper]

A mod that alters Cassandra's appearance is something many people I know what. They just don't want her to be completely remade into a different character, most of them want something like this 

 

Spoiler

 

 

The first two, left to right

[KaiserShep]

It also magically gave Aveline the mantle of the champion, and even dual dagger skills.

[Panda]

That mod changes up Aveline completely though, I don't think she's recognizable with that mod anymore more like she's new character. And she's not even romance option so I see no reason for anyone even mod her like that.

 

I think acts is what are sexist and I do find it sexist to mod scars away from Cassandra. If the reason behind is sexist, then the act is as well. If I spent myself yelling racist things to fictional characters, but being too scared to say them to real people although I think them, well I'd still be racist.

 

Mods only change one persons game, but I think mods also tell about the person using them. They mod because they have certain ideals, thoughts, preferences and these can be wrong. It doesn't harm anyone if they mod according these if they don't bring these attitudes to IRL as well, but if they demand something to be fixed according their skewed ideals or preferences it can be harmful and it can affect lot of people. It can scare devs away from giving representation of different races/sexualities and other minorities, it can make all female warriors scarless and men warriors full of scars etc. which in exchange enforces these ideals and creates trends based on them.

 

People are free to mod, but I think other people are also free to give critic to these mods and point out what's wrong with them in their opinion.

[Sartoz]

Indeed. I'm just waiting for the first trailer/preview/ad to vaunt "procedurally generated quests", a.k.a. "UNLIMITED QUESTS! objectively none of any two missions are ever the same, but the only difference is that instead of grandma's lost apples in (x1, y1) you now retrieve uncle Joe's lost spectacles in (x2, y2)." I actually remember that being a major selling point for Guild Wars 2. >.<

Please Bioware, prove me wrong.

 

                                                                                     <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>

 

Just remember that a promo video is not indicative of in-game graphics.  So adjust your expectations.. I will.

 

Why you say? Simple... the last promo video for DAI, just before game launch, had a small text line at the bottom of the last screen which said " this is not indicative of in-game graphics" or something similar. I made a post in this "Feedback" thread about it and the post was summarily deleted by Bio within hours. At the time, I asked myself  "what are they trying to hide?"

 

Also remember that EA will spend a considerable amount of money on advertising the game... which include videos that far supercede the in-game cut scenes.

[Sylvius the Mad]

If the OP feels so strongly about the need for such a mod, the OP should create such a mod.

That's the great thing about modding. Anyone can do it.

Personally, I preferred Cassandra with silver hair (as it the original DA2 trailer). It gave her a commanding presence, and made her look older. She's in her 40s; silver hair wouldn't be inappropriate.

I do dislike the braid. I'd rather the hair were just short; a long detail like the braid is impractical for a woman in her position.

[o Ventus]

A mod that alters Cassandra's appearance is something many people I know what. They just don't want her to be completely remade into a different character, most of them want something like this 

 

Spoiler

 

 

The first two, left to right

 

So they want her to have an entirely different face and hairstyle?

 

Gotcha.

[Dread-Reaper]

It also magically gave Aveline the mantle of the champion, and even dual dagger skills.

That's just what the mod author had her equipped in when he took the screenshots.

 

 

That mod changes up Aveline completely though, I don't think she's recognizable with that mod anymore more like she's new character. And she's not even romance option so I see no reason for anyone even mod her like that.

 

I think acts is what are sexist and I do find it sexist to mod scars away from Cassandra. If the reason behind is sexist, then the act is as well. If I spent myself yelling racist things to fictional characters, but being too scared to say them to real people although I think them, well I'd still be racist.

 

Mods only change one persons game, but I think mods also tell about the person using them. They mod because they have certain ideals, thoughts, preferences and these can be wrong. It doesn't harm anyone if they mod according these if they don't bring these attitudes to IRL as well, but if they demand something to be fixed according their skewed ideals or preferences it can be harmful and it can affect lot of people. It can scare devs away from giving representation of different races/sexualities and other minorities, it can make all female warriors scarless and men warriors full of scars etc. which in exchange enforces these ideals and creates trends based on them.

 

People are free to mod, but I think other people are also free to give critic to these mods and point out what's wrong with them in their opinion.

 She's still pretty recognizable to me, it actually makes her look normal and less of a abomination that someone makes in CC when they're bored.

 

I'm gonna have to disagree and agree with you here, yes I think the type of mods people use can tell a great much about them. Some people literally buy Skyrim on PC because there is kinda of a black-market modding community behind that caters a great many fetishes. I've visited said site/community before and let me tell you, if you think a person wanting a mod to change Cassandra's appearance is kind of wrong, you are in for a rude awakening should you visit that site. Here is a short list of things I saw on that site on my brief visit.

Spoiler

They've got mods that instead of your character dying, they're raped instead and from that rape a female character can be pregnant. Bestiality, basically adding a penis model to most animals, you can have sex with the animals or let them rape you. There is also scat and a mod that adds physics to penises, that come in various shapes and sizes.

 

There are also people that use mods to enhance their gameplay experiences, such as adding new mechanics, revamping the AI, new companions, better texture and lighting, etc, etc. Then we have people that use mods for giggles, installing the most ridiculous, making themselves into omnipotent beings from the get go and just breaking the game.

 

It's really fair to judge a person's preferences and ideals just buy what they want in a game or how they want to play, some people just want to have fun.

[Dread-Reaper]

So they want her to have an entirely different face and hairstyle?

 

Gotcha.

It's the same hairstyle, the face however is much smoother and refined. I really like her without the jack hammer jaw and I can see why Donnic might actually be able to marry her.

[o Ventus]

It's the same hairstyle, the face however is much smoother and refined. I really like her without the jack hammer jaw and I can see why Donnic might actually be able to marry her.

You think the hair on the right is the same as the hair on the left? Son, you need glasses. And I say that as someone who wears glasses.

[KaiserShep]

It's the same hairstyle, the face however is much smoother and refined. I really like her without the jack hammer jaw and I can see why Donnic might actually be able to marry her.

That's funny, considering that some people wanted to romance unmodded Aveline.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Some people literally buy Skyrim on PC because there is kinda of a black-market modding community behind that caters a great many fetishes.

All developers should want that. It increases sales, pushes forward innovations in modding. Everyone involved benefits.

[Dread-Reaper]

That's funny, considering that some people wanted to romance unmodded Aveline.

Why wouldn't there be people who wanted to romance an unmodded Aveline?

[DanteYoda]

You see, the thing that puzzles me in particular, is how BioWare games even generally have at least the one "perfect" or "generally beautiful enough" looking woman, yet people jump to the one supposed to be "edgy" and demand her to be straightened out (ha).

 

My personal stuck-up reasoning is: You like her personality so much -> you can live with the exterior / You need perfect looking women -> you can hardly care much about personality since all edgy characters have an exterior that goes with their personality.

 

I don't want Jack without ink, scars or cult-related shaved head, I don't want Cass without fierce features, scars and practical hair. I'm neither a Jack fanatic nor do I have Cass tatooed on my forearm, but I appreciate their weight and role in the games, and they are excellent examples of how character design can be more than weird hair and tons of belt buckles.

 

I'm not declaring whether people are allowed to, or shouldn't. I'm discussing what their freaking point is. Because I want to know.  Everyone comes here to share their views and to discuss those of others. Saying otherwise is as believeable as a goth teenager claiming "I don't care what anyone thinks".

My point is i'm not happy with the cannon choices for relationships in Dragon Age Inquisition, and as such i hoped i could make them at least a little more desirable to me, but when i ask, i get hate and called lots of nasty stuff over what i consider a game.

 

A game i'd love to play again but when half of it is relationships and companions and 99% of them are something you find hard to deal with, its hard to enjoy it as others do..

 

 

If the OP feels so strongly about the need for such a mod, the OP should create such a mod.

That's the great thing about modding. Anyone can do it.

I disagree, its not something anyone can do, i have no idea how to code, or use the frostbite engine..

 

I hardly even know how to use Photoshop, i'm at Paint shop pro 9 level at best...

[DaemionMoadrin]

That's funny, considering that some people wanted to romance unmodded Aveline.

 

Yep, flirted with her at every opportunity.