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[Jeremiah12LGeek]

[Grieving Natashina]

Good lord. Okay, two things. First, not all men find women attractive. Second, Isabela is of an ethnicity based on middle-eastern people. If someone is born tan, they're gonna stay tan no matter how much time they spend indoors.

 

At this point, I'm thinking you've got to be a troll. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, certainly, but yours are just too ignorant to be believable.

 

Not to mention, people whining about an LI/companion's appearance strike me as entitled brats. It's one thing if the issue is so bad that it affects everyone (the rubbish hair and outfits, for instance), but this is petty.

You must have missed some of the stuff he did on his original account.  This is just the warm-up.  If my guess is correct, the "charts" and "graphs" will come out next.  Then probably the photoshop after that.  I'm grabbin' some popcorn and watching the show now. 

[Lady Artifice]

Well it's not like you said " How would you design your own LI because the current one sucks"

 

Yeah, but no one accused me of that. They just compared it to playing Frankenstein and suggested I was trying to take the job away from the professionals. 

 

I can understand that. It was bound to happen, especially with how many people get really sick of threads about LIs. 

 

Anyway, my point is that a lot of frivolous threads get negative attention, both reasonable and unreasonable. 

[Paul E Dangerously]

Well it's not like you said " How would you design your own LI because the current one sucks"

 

Neither were the initial few threads about the Cass criticism. It's just that people kept tripping over posters who identified with some criticism because it wasn't worded dryly enough to suit the current era. Watching people try to define "I just don't like her (face, haircut, scars, etc) and I don't think she's attractive" without triggering someone is like a giant game of Minesweeper. Just break out the popcorn and wait.

 

It's just that after people got the hint every thread afterward was going to get derailed or deleted, they stopped being subtle. And then the paranoia (or gif baiting, whatever) kicked in.

 

Good lord. Okay, two things. First, not all men find women attractive. Second, Isabela is of an ethnicity based on middle-eastern people. If someone is born tan, they're gonna stay tan no matter how much time they spend indoors.

 

At this point, I'm thinking you've got to be a troll. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, certainly, but yours are just too ignorant to be believable.

 

Not to mention, people whining about an LI/companion's appearance strike me as entitled brats. It's one thing if the issue is so bad that it affects everyone (the rubbish hair and outfits, for instance), but this is petty.

 

I've always found it hilarious that people are allowed to blast the appearances of entire races in DA games without a negative word, but if you don't think an LI is attractive enough it's like the Cold War. Seriously, I'm not sure I ever heard anyone say a positive word about the elves in DA2, and nobody batted an eye over the constant criticism of that.

[o Ventus]

Apologies for offending anyone, but i am not into politics, I enjoy math and science instead.

 

 

I enjoy sexy beautiful women. There is such thing as a woman who is attractive to all men if you allow alterations in skin color.   Some men are attracted to bright skin while others enjoy dark skin tones, this has to do with upbringing, culture and the concept of opposites attract. It all breaks down to math not emotion.

 

Cassy has good skin tone and color that can be appealing to multiple flavors.

 

Isabella while on the boat should have deep tan skin, but since she has no boat and is at the inn most of the time, her skin should be whiter and pale.  The mod that make Isabella white skin is justified through environment, role playing and lore.

 

Attraction is purely scientific, geometrical and mathematical in nature.  One must study the science of attraction and then normalize the ideal woman that is sexually gorgeous to 99% of males.

 

It's hurtful that leliana, morrigan are stunning, but I am stuck with cassy's face It makes me sad, because she looks like, i won't say it, but it saddens me.  I have not had this problem in previous bioware content , I don't like what happening with this new bioware.

 

Yep. it's Brevnau.

[Lady Artifice]

Good lord. Okay, two things. First, not all men find women attractive. Second, Isabela is of an ethnicity based on middle-eastern people. If someone is born tan, they're gonna stay tan no matter how much time they spend indoors.

 

At this point, I'm thinking you've got to be a troll. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, certainly, but yours are just too ignorant to be believable.

 

Not to mention, people whining about an LI/companion's appearance strike me as entitled brats. It's one thing if the issue is so bad that it affects everyone (the rubbish hair and outfits, for instance), but this is petty.

 

I think he really means it. He's spammed the forum before, desperate to be heard, but always earnest (as opposed to just trying to get a rise out of people). 

 

He's very passionate about this, you'll see. 

[AresKeith]

Neither were the initial few threads about the Cass criticism. It's just that people kept tripping over posters who identified with some criticism because it wasn't worded dryly enough to suit the current era. Watching people try to define "I just don't like her (face, haircut, scars, etc" without triggering someone is like a giant game of Minesweeper.

 

It's just that after people got the hint every thread afterward was going to get derailed or deleted, they stopped being subtle. And then the paranoia (or gif baiting, whatever) kicked in.

 

Except this user has, his initial threads on his original account was "Cassandra and Josephine look like men" then he changed men to transgenders on his second or third thread

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

If this doesn't even touch the surface of this guy's antics, then I really am sorry I missed the good stuff. Especially the "glam rock Cassandra" or something? Dang it.

[Duelist]

"You could at least spell my bloody name right."

[DomeWing333]

Everyone shush! I want to hear Professor Totally-Not-Brevnau tell me more about what I find attractive in a woman.

[Paul E Dangerously]

Except this user has, his initial threads on his original account was "Cassandra and Josephine look like men" then he changed men to transgenders on his second or third thread

 

And I wasn't talking about that, I meant before he cropped up. People were basically never allowed to have an opinion on it without being swamped under, so you have whack-a-mole because it riles people up.

 

Or if you really want to go tinfoil hat, it's not actually that guy, but someone pretending to be that guy so they can rehash their animated gif collection.

[Angry_Elcor]

Query: Why is it only these threads that get this response, and not the legion of trivial threads that flourish (and that Bioware actually listens to)?

 

Honestly, I think people care less about the topic and the thought that it might be "that guy" and more about trying to put themselves over by posting one of the ten animated .gifs that seem to float around the board and act all tough/snarky/etc about it.

 

Query: Why do you only care about the negative response to threads by people complaining about Cass/Josie's appearance or the inclusion of gay characters/storylines?

 

Honestly, I think you don't care about anyone's opinions unless you agree with them, and it's more about trying to put yourself above others, and paint people who share your opinion as victims of some unfair conspiracy.

[Grieving Natashina]

If this doesn't even touch the surface of this guy's antics, then I really am sorry I missed the good stuff. Especially the "glam rock Cassandra" or something? Dang it.

http://forum.bioware...ht-male-gamers/

 

Highlights include:

 

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This was the pic that started the glam rocker comments.

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Have fun guys.  I'm going to go hang out with my husband.

[KaiserShep]

"You could at least spell my bloody name right."

Oh Izzy. She always has the best reactions to things.

[Paul E Dangerously]

Query: Why do you only care about the negative response to threads by people complaining about Cass/Josie's appearance or the inclusion of gay characters/storylines?

 

Honestly, I think you don't care about anyone's opinions unless you agree with them, and it's more about trying to put yourself above others, and paint people who share your opinion as victims of some unfair conspiracy.

 

Well, I could spend my time floating around to check exactly what people have been posting on. I suppose that's worthwhile.

 

If you'd been actually reading a lot of my replies - and I can tell you haven't - I don't care about the inclusion of gay characters and storylines as much as I do the implementation. I feel that Bioware's method has been unnecessarily heavily handed and clumsy. I don't want less of that material, I want better written material and there's a lot of difference there.

 

I've said since the start that it's more than a bit hypocritical when any and every NPC and even entire races in DA have been flogged over appearance, but Cass/Josie are verboten because it crosses some line. It's just like "You're drawing the line over this? Really?" in a situation where people can validly prefer characters in the older art style?

 

And besides, I do need something to do. Bioware's shown that they don't give a flip about people who bought the old-gen version of DAI. Which I have been posting in that thread for quite a while, and after a lack of anything resembling support after the monthly visit decide to see what old, gif-baiting material people are rehashing again.

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

I've always found it hilarious that people are allowed to blast the appearances of entire races in DA games without a negative word, but if you don't think an LI is attractive enough it's like the Cold War. Seriously, I'm not sure I ever heard anyone say a positive word about the elves in DA2, and nobody batted an eye over the constant criticism of that.

 

I think DA2's elves could be a bit hit and miss, but I really liked the redesign as a whole. They looked more mystical; and, in my opinion, no longer looking like "short humans with pointy ears" makes it easier to fathom their poor treatment as non-humans. Because really, would a Dragon Age human really hate an "elf" if that "elf" looked just like other humans, but merely had pointy ears? I personally don't think so. I also really liked that they kind of looked like deer (like the keeper or Master Ilen) or sort of cats sometimes (Merrill, I guess). However, the... ones with no effort put into their faces looked like fish. Just completely like fish, or aliens. Some of their faces were terrifying--like Felicia Day Tallis. Still liked the redesign, though. They're fine in DAI, in my opinion (except for their stick insect bodies).

 

Loved DA2's Qunari redesign (excluding how idiotic the idea of horns is), but it was clear they were all clones of each other. Even the Arishok didn't have a unique face. In DAO each Qunari was given his own face, and the clones in DA2 were just lazy. At least they picked a nice face to clone, though. However, I absolutely don't like the Qunari design in DAI.

[Sartoz]

Mods are working again with the DLC and patch. I currently have about 20 mods going. Here is the link if anyone is interested/doesn't know yet:

 

http://www.reddit.co..._run_mods_with/

 

In any case, I think Cassandra looks good the way she is. I only use a mod that cleans up the weird bunched outline of her eyebrows and gives her a bit of sublte winged eyeliner. Very pretty.

Thanks for that link. I've put DAI on hold (patch 5 here) until I see what's been fixed and broken .with patch 7.  In the mean time, PoE and XCOM are currently entertaining me... oh and Cities Skyline...

[Lady Artifice]

http://forum.bioware...ht-male-gamers/

 

Highlights include:

 

Spoiler

 

This was the pic that started with the glam rocker comments.

Spoiler

Spoiler

 

Have fun guys.  I'm going to go hang out with my husband.

 

Lol...I forgot about the last two. 

 

To be honest, Brevnau (it's going to take me a while to get used to the new name), I think Cassandra looks pretty with her actual jaw and with the one you designed. I don't protest you wanting to mod the game, because I recognize that you doing that is entirely your business.

 

But this whole, "beauty is a simple matter of science and math" thing just doesn't work. You've got a fairly decent example in these pictures of at least one other factor that plays into attraction: style. People hated on your hair mod ideas because that hair is so dated that it no longer looks attractive to a lot of us. In the last century alone you saw standards of what was considered attractive in the general public shift numerous times. Which was typically considered more beautiful in women: full hourglass figures or slender sylphlike body types? Well, the answer varied depending on the decade, actually. But people always had personal preferences, which may or may not be in line with the current style. 

 

People's preferences are influenced by culture, and then cyclically, their preferences sometimes influence culture. 

 

So while it's fair to say that there are biological impulses when it comes to physical attraction, it can't be exclusively scientific. 

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

http://forum.bioware...ht-male-gamers/

 

Highlights include:

 

Spoiler

 

This was the pic that started the glam rocker comments.

Spoiler

Spoiler

 

Have fun guys.  I'm going to go hang out with my husband.

 

Bless your kind heart. :'^)

[Angry_Elcor]

Well, I could spend my time floating around to check exactly what people have been posting on. I suppose that's worthwhile.

 

Whatever floats your boat.

 

If you'd been actually reading a lot of my replies - and I can tell you haven't

 

I've seen enough of them to identify the patterns of what opinions you complain about, and that you see yourself and people who agree with you as victims of a conspiracy:

 

Or if you really want to go tinfoil hat, it's not actually that guy, but someone pretending to be that guy so they can rehash their animated gif collection.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to judge someone for devoting so much attention to what everyone else's posted opinions are that they actually come up with absurd conspiracy theories to blame them for giving themselves opportunities to disagree with others online. It's obviously logical that they wouldn't find enough opportunities to disagree with others on the internet, so they'd need to manufacture threads to give themselves that excuse.

 

I know: You created an alt, then used it to create this thread to provoke others to posting their gifs, so that you could once again point out how unfairly everyone on BSN treats the people that you agree with.

 

J'accuse!

[o Ventus]

Well, I could spend my time floating around to check exactly what people have been posting on. I suppose that's worthwhile.

 

If you'd been actually reading a lot of my replies - and I can tell you haven't - I don't care about the inclusion of gay characters and storylines as much as I do the implementation. I feel that Bioware's method has been unnecessarily heavily handed and clumsy. I don't want less of that material, I want better written material and there's a lot of difference there.

 

I've said since the start that it's more than a bit hypocritical when any and every NPC and even entire races in DA have been flogged over appearance, but Cass/Josie are verboten because it crosses some line. It's just like "You're drawing the line over this? Really?" in a situation where people can validly prefer characters in the older art style?

 

 

If people had actually been saying they prefer the older art styles of the characters, you'd have a leg to stand on. Except they haven't, and Josephine doesn't even HAVE an older appearance. And please, you can't tell me with a straight face that other characters receive as much criticism for their appearance as Josephine and Cassandra. Find me a thread complaining about Solas' butt chin or Cullen's lip scar and I'll find you 3 for Josephine and Cassandra.

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

In my opinion, you can't compare these types of complaints to the more valid, widespread complaints. There are too few people who are shallow and selfish enough to complain about something as insignificant as a companion's face. Most of DAI's consumers dislike the fugly pajamas, the horrendous male elf anatomy and posture, the crappy hair/eyebrows/facial hair, and the overall lackluster presentation of the game. That majority far, far outweighs the opinions of a few whiny children who feel personally slighted when an NPC doesn't meet their standards.

 

The people who complain about a companion's appearance, demanding change, are just as bad as the selfish, sexist women who refuse to play as a gross man just to romance Dorian, or anyone who demands a character's sexuality revolve around them, in fact. ("How dare Bioware not make Dorian bisexual! Don't they know the world revolves around me and everyone in existence is obligated to find me attractive!" "Okay, Dorian's gay, but what if! What if... my femquisitor is the one woman he feels attraction to as the exception!" "Aveline's too masculine!" "Isabela the Rivaini should be white!") If you want to decimate a character that badly, turn to a godawful, lore-breaking mod.

 

Edit: fixed embarrassing typo ("in fat" lel)