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[lynroy]

Get off your high horses please.

No!

[Tex]

I don't think she's that old, more like 30 - 32..

40 year old warriors are best to give up (if they survive that long), because they become slow and they become dead, my opinion.

I think you're in denial and being a tad ignorant-sexiest with your remark about the age a female can be on the battlefield for. So yes Cassandra is infact in her 40's just as Morrigan, Lilliana, Josephien, and the king and queen of Fereldon are all in their early to late 40's but lady montilieh would be late 50's till early 60's you can deni it but it doesn't stop it from being true.

[Andraste_Reborn]

I don't think she's that old, more like 30 - 32..

 

40 year old warriors are best to give up (if they survive that long), because they become slow and they become dead, my opinion.

 

But we know for a fact that Dawn Of The Seeker took place twenty years ago, and that she was a young adult at the time.

 

Also, Blackwall is even older than Cassandra - around forty-five - and is still warrior-ing away.

[Chardonney]

...lady montilieh would be late 50's till early 60's you can deni it but it doesn't stop it from being true.

 

What?

 

"Josephine was written by Sylvia Feketekuty. Josephine's writer estimates that Josephine is somewhere between 27 and 29 years old."

 

https://twitter.com/...550966357712897

[heretica]

I think you're in denial and being a tad ignorant-sexiest with your remark about the age a female can be on the battlefield for. So yes Cassandra is infact in her 40's just as Morrigan, Lilliana, Josephien, and the king and queen of Fereldon are all in their early to late 40's but lady montilieh would be late 50's till early 60's you can deni it but it doesn't stop it from being true.

 

Hm, I actually think they are all in their early to late thirties. Minus Cole that's like 20 and your inquisitor too if you chose that age. 

 

Edit: Oh I forgot about Blackwall, yes he's probably mid/late forties. 

 

PS: Acept Cass the way she was modeled. (extra tip: do that with people too)

[Sartoz]

People are entitled to play the game however they like, and I am entitled to disagree with those choices. Hideous seeing people do this, although nothing came as close to being as disgusting as the mod which made Isabela white. 

Disgusting? How so? Especially if, as you say, "people are entitled to play the game however they like". 

 

I change my gameplay/style to meet my demands... such as avoiding counter-intuitive keyboard commands or to avoid finger cramps.  If I want to mod a character's face for some reason, I do so. You certainly configure your main char in the CC amd mine will be different from yours.

 

If you don't like the mod.. move on..... there's more to life than being upset at a mod.....

[Sartoz]

What?

 

"Josephine was written by Sylvia Feketekuty. Josephine's writer estimates that Josephine is somewhere between 27 and 29 years old."

 

https://twitter.com/...550966357712897

Lol.. I guess she ages quickly then or someone's math is really off.

[Terodil]

PS: Acept Cass the way she was modeled. (extra tip: do that with people too)

To the first part: Why? That's a rather axiomatic demand.

To the second part: Aha. I have long suspected that this is probably one of the main reasons why quite a few people get so worked up over requests to change the looks of <x>. Somehow criticising an NPC's aesthetic design is equivalent to criticising a RL person's looks. Extra tip: It's not. The world would be freaking boring if all we could do in our fantasies was to reproduce what was all around us. Imagine: I would have to model my protagonist after myself, and nobody would want to see that, myself included

Fun fact that I have wanted to bring up for a long time but always forgotten: SWTOR actually has companion customisations. It's a brilliant feature IMO: You can choose among as many as 10 or so different looks for each of your companions, which include variations on race, hairdo, tattoos etc. I love it. BW probably won't do it but having such a system for DA:I too would probably accomodate a lot of people.

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[AresKeith]

I think you're in denial and being a tad ignorant-sexiest with your remark about the age a female can be on the battlefield for. So yes Cassandra is infact in her 40's just as Morrigan, Lilliana, Josephien, and the king and queen of Fereldon are all in their early to late 40's but lady montilieh would be late 50's till early 60's you can deni it but it doesn't stop it from being true.

Josephine is actually younger than them, like 20s

[DomeWing333]

I don't want to quote here, but to those deriding other posters for using 'science' to explain their claims:

 

Your statements simply show a bad understanding of what science is and what science can/wants to accomplish. There have, in fact, been numerous studies on inter-human attraction. Their results are, of course, descriptive, because they're based on simple statistics, often derived from elaborate test designs taking important parameters into account (such as cultural background). Normative statements are out of the purview of science; they belong into the realm of politics.

 

So if studies claim that symmetric faces, for example, are considered more attractive to a high degree of statistic significance, there's nothing hocus pocus about it. Numbers don't lie, and if your political opinion doesn't match with them, that does not invalidate the study results. Get off your high horses please.

It's one thing to say "On average, contemporary humans find x feature attractive." It's another thing to say "On average, contemporary humans find x feature attractive and thus anyone who finds someone without x feature attractive is wrong or just kidding themselves." And then using that to, in a mad-scientist-esque way, seek to craft THE PERFECT CASSANDRA for everyone.

 

Any set of subjective judgments can, through statistical averaging and whatnot, be made into an objective measure. But that objective measure does nothing to bolster or invalidate any of the initial subjective judgments or any later ones. Whether or not someone is attractive is and always will be, as The Dude would say, "just, like, your opinion, man."

[Panda]

To the first part: Why? That's a rather axiomatic demand.

To the second part: Aha. I have long suspected that this is probably one of the main reasons why quite a few people get so worked up over requests to change the looks of <x>. Somehow criticising an NPC's aesthetic design is equivalent to criticising a RL person's looks. Extra tip: It's not. The world would be freaking boring if all we could do in our fantasies was to reproduce what was all around us. Imagine: I would have to model my protagonist after myself, and nobody would want to see that, myself included

Fun fact that I have wanted to bring up for a long time but always forgotten: SWTOR actually has companion customisations. It's a brilliant feature IMO: You can choose among as many as 10 or so different looks for each of your companions, which include variations on race, hairdo, tattoos etc. I love it. BW probably won't do it but having such a system for DA:I too would probably accomodate a lot of people.

Spoilered example because it's large:

Spoiler

 

Video games like other media are paraller of real world and their characters are designed by real people, according their ideals, views, imagination and even morals. Also if someone comments Cassandra looks like man or ugly cause women can't have wide jaws, that comment easily carries to real world. Characters after all are also representations of something.

 

I wouldn't be happy to play story-driven RPG where I design all characters. Isn't Sims enough for that? ^^; It just seems lazy, to make player do all the work.

[FKA_Servo]

I think you're in denial and being a tad ignorant-sexiest with your remark about the age a female can be on the battlefield for. So yes Cassandra is infact in her 40's just as Morrigan, Lilliana, Josephien, and the king and queen of Fereldon are all in their early to late 40's but lady montilieh would be late 50's till early 60's you can deni it but it doesn't stop it from being true.

 

None of what you've written is true - the age range of these characters are has been solidly established (or in some cases, precisely established) and you're about 10-15 years off the mark in each case. I don't even know where you're pulling Josie's age from.

[Terodil]

It's one thing to say "On average, contemporary humans find x feature attractive." It's another thing to say "On average, contemporary humans find x feature attractive and thus anyone who finds someone without x feature attractive is wrong or just kidding themselves."

I cannot help but feel that you are shadowboxing here. I cannot remember that there was such a statement in this thread, and yet the comment 'omg science blah is ridiculous get lost' did pop up. Maybe I'm suffering from selective perception/memory though -- I can't be bothered to go through the entire thread again at the moment, so if I am, I'm sorry.

Just one addition for the sake of precision: "Anyone who finds someone without x feature attractive is wrong or just kidding themselves." is quite obviously ridiculous, as taste is indeed personal and takes all shapes and forms. However, statements along the lines of "x is not needed (implied: for anyone) to be considered attractive, how dare you wish for x / stop wishing for supermodels / ..." is equally ridiculous, because it fails to respect individual tastes as much as the first statement did.
 

Video games like other media are paraller of real world and their characters are designed by real people, according their ideals, views, imagination and even morals. Also if someone comments Cassandra looks like man or ugly cause women can't have wide jaws, that comment easily carries to real world. Characters after all are also representations of something.

Oh yes, you're riding the 'cultural artefacts are political instruments to influence society' train again. We just have to disagree there. To me art's purpose is political only in the second or third degree, and whether anybody likes it or not is their business. I'd hate to live in a world where art is solely made to force society a into pre-determined mold.

Also, I'm getting a bit tired of your strawmen tbh. "Women can't have wide jaws..." come on, verbatim quote please or just let it rest.

[o Ventus]

Video games like other media are paraller of real world and their characters are designed by real people, according their ideals, views, imagination and even morals. 

 

Right, because we all know that John Carpenter really did uncover a shapeshifting alien, which prompted him to make The Thing in 1982. Because visual media is a parallel of the real world.

[9TailsFox]

I think you're in denial and being a tad ignorant-sexiest with your remark about the age a female can be on the battlefield for. So yes Cassandra is infact in her 40's just as Morrigan, Lilliana, Josephien, and the king and queen of Fereldon are all in their early to late 40's but lady montilieh would be late 50's till early 60's you can deni it but it doesn't stop it from being true.

Do you seriously try to find logic with numbers in Bioware game, Bioware bad at counting all DA economy is broken and Anders is in Awakening and in DA2 at the same time. Loghain is 70-80 years badass grandpa with blight.

[o Ventus]

Do you seriously try to find logic with numbers in Bioware game, Bioware bad at counting all DA economy is broken and Anders is in Awakening and in DA2 at the same time. Loghain is 70-80 years badass grandpa with blight.

 

There's a point in here somewhere, I just KNOW it.

[Lady Artifice]

I don't want to quote here, but to those deriding other posters for using 'science' to explain their claims:

 

Your statements simply show a bad understanding of what science is and what science can/wants to accomplish. There have, in fact, been numerous studies on inter-human attraction. Their results are, of course, descriptive, because they're based on simple statistics, often derived from elaborate test designs taking important parameters into account (such as cultural background). Normative statements are out of the purview of science; they belong into the realm of politics.

 

So if studies claim that symmetric faces, for example, are considered more attractive to a high degree of statistic significance, there's nothing hocus pocus about it. Numbers don't lie, and if your political opinion doesn't match with them, that does not invalidate the study results. Get off your high horses please.

 

I, for one, don't deride Not-Brevnau for using science to support his claim. I deride him for declaring that science and math are the universal qualifiers for whether a straight male finds a woman attractive.

 

Not-Brevnau quote:

 

 

Attraction is purely scientific, geometrical and mathematical in nature.  One must study the science of attraction and then normalize the ideal woman that is sexually gorgeous to 99% of males.

 

 

It isn't even necessarily this statement alone that I take issue with, even though I think it's drawing a pretty hard line. I'll agree that symmetry tends to be a huge factor in the perception of beauty. It's his habit of disregarding the fact that others disagree with his specific take on Cassandra's appearance. He excludes any other qualifiers, which strikes me as a little silly. 

[Terodil]

I, for one, don't deride Not-Brevnau for using science to support his claim. I deride him for declaring that science and math are the universal qualifiers for whether a straight male finds a woman attractive.

[snip]

Thanks for that, both the explanation and the quote. I agree. Statistics can predict how the average out of a large number of test subjects will feel/act, but quite obviously not how an individual will feel/act. And while I don't think that not-Brevnau wanted to say it, implying that everybody looks up a statistical chart to determine whether s/he is supposed to dis/like the looks of an NPC is quite funny actually. "Hold on... need to check my charts!"

And though it need or should not need to be said, physical beauty is only one out of many attributes that determine overall attraction. Though taking that into account, Cassie has a bit of a hard time IMO because her personality, for example, doesn't strike me as particularly attractive either. But that's just my taste, sorry Cass.

[Grieving Natashina]

I figure if someone would like a mod that bad, they should either put in a request to the modders, or make their own.  I may roll my eyes at the "science" aspect of this debate, but I'm not going to tell someone that they must be attracted to their LIs in video games.  The OP may be a returning poster, but at least they aren't insisting that BioWare change Cassandra this time.  So honestly, who cares?  A mod request isn't going to affect my game.   

[Grieving Natashina]

At least it's a good excuse to make jokes about 80's metal hair.

True.

 

The request on it's own is a harmless one.  If this is for a mod, then they can knock themselves out.  Again, I don't seen anyone demanding BioWare "fix" her.  Well, this time.  Anyway, it's the absurd lengths that some will go in order to make others see their point of view that invokes my mockery.   It can get really out of hand.  This is how we get stuff like Cassandra morphing until she's looking alarmingly like Sebastian Bach.  

 

Most of the modders that I've talked to on the forums are actually pretty nice people, and enjoy what they do.  I think for folks like the OP, they should hit up sites like nexus that have forums for modding requests and try that there.  I'm not saying that to be dismissive.  I figure if that's what they want, they should politely ask.  

 

No need to make this complicated.  Beauty is subjective, no matter how you slice it.  All the studies on symmetry in the world doesn't change that fact.  And that's okay.   Some folks want Cassandra to look different and they want a mod.  Thanks to the poster that put up the reddit link, there is clear instructions on how to mod with this patch.  Go hit up a modding forum for DA:I and ask.  Not all mods end up on nexus either, so do some searching.  If it isn't there, then go to the modding section of the BioWare forums, or nexus, or reddit, and put in a request.   

[Tex]

None of what you've written is true - the age range of these characters are has been solidly established (or in some cases, precisely established) and you're about 10-15 years off the mark in each case. I don't even know where you're pulling Josie's age from.

But wasn't it established that the main party group was in Their 25's to early 30's in origans so using that I deducted a rather crude estimate I must admit but still it seems about right also Josephien knew Lilliana when they where younger atleast that's what was said add too that the ice queen (damit I forget her name) is a senior enchanter in the circle who it seems personaly new and had experience with the top hierarchy of the circle hm oh well.

[WildOrchid]

 

 

This thread is hilarious.