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[KaiserShep]

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I liked both MEs, except the ridiculus ME3 ending.  ... choices and consequences my techus.  Did you not find ME3 more linear than 2?

 

I was simply referring to the actual battlefield design, rather than the story itself. With respect to the former, I'll always maintain that Mass Effect 2 had inferior map design to the previous and subsequent title. ME3's maps essentially use the same design principles, but they're bigger, and in my opinion, look a bit more natural, though the color palette could be better.

 

As for your question, my answer is no. I felt no more freedom in the actual story than I did in 3. I can juggle recruitment and loyalty around, but most of them were fairly irrelevant to the main story, and that's on top of having the quest-giver (TIM) lock us out of the galaxy map twice to engage in one of the few actual main story missions.

 

 

Looking Forward

ME4, I fear, will be more like DAI in level design(s)  ---> full of a vast empty expanse with worlds waiting to be explored by the Macko.... grinding exercise by any other name.  This "explore the expanse" idea is much easier on cost cutting than actually filling the game with useable content and meaningful quests, tighter character development and team interactions or as you say atmosphere creation. 

 

I feel as though BioWare is kind of damned if they do, and damned if they don't. While people complained about the vast emptiness of ME1 and the tricky Mako controls (on the latter I feel it varied from system to system), others complained about BioWare correcting this by taking it out mostly in ME2 and entirely in 3. In any case, it would be premature to criticize ME4's use of bigger worlds, since we have no idea what it will entail until we get a gameplay video.

 

 

Oh, wait! What am I thinking? It's a console action game.. no need for a good story. And, since EA's policy is to reach a "broader audience" the game will be toned down to button smashing infantile pablum. That will be in line with Hilleman's (senior EA exec) " EA games take too long to learn"

 

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, because Mass Effect was always primarily an action game, and it certainly made no difference what system it was on. The irony here is that ME2, having the fewest powers available for each combatant, was the closest to a button masher between the three. Of course, this is putting aside the fact that it being a shooter necessitated the use of a single attack button most of the time.

[Dieb]

*strolls in to see everyone debating, gasps & looks at wristwatch, casually sneaks towards the middle of the crowd*

 

...I know, right?!

 

Those ME3 endings, huh?

 

 

P.S.: Oh yeah, by the way Cass is hot. I never heard anyone complain about Olivia Wilde's jawline. If the scars aren't your thing, there's still Josephine, but I could see how her being ethnic might also drive you to a point "where [you] like can't play the game anymore".

[Terodil]

P.S.: Oh yeah, by the way Cass is hot. I never heard anyone complain about Olivia Wilde's jawline. If the scars aren't your thing, there's still Josephine, but I could see how her being ethnic might also drive you to a point "where [you] like can't play the game anymore".

strawman attempt 0/10

[Panda]

The scar complaint is even more ridiculous than complaining about her jawline. I haven't heard any complain about Cullen's scar so why complains about Cassandra's? They are both warriors and Cass is much more in field battling, scars are bound to happen and instead of being against them warriors should wear battle scars proudly. If someone doesn't want scars on their LI, I don't think fantasy games with battles with swords are their thing.

[Terodil]

The scar complaint is even more ridiculous than complaining about her jawline.

quote please

[xkg]

If someone doesn't want scars on their LI, I don't think fantasy games with battles with swords are their thing.

 

Could you point me to other fantasy games with LI with scars ? Played few but can't remember any other.

[DanteYoda]

Of topic, I know but... you mean you only got to Mars? I consider that one as a part of the prologue. The game opens up after that. Despite the ending (I used a mod), it's amazing game. You should give it shot. (I always let Ashley go boom, myself. )

If Mass effect 3 had been the first game for me i'd have most likely enjoyed it, but after 1 and 2 (i even had some niggles in 2) 3 felt dumbed down, really linear, the characters felt wrong like they'd all been emotionally overhauled.. (bit like Varric in Inquisition) Areas felt like set pieces on a green screen.. weapons were a pain to use, I'm not sure.. it felt way off compared to the first two..

[Lumix19]

If Mass effect 3 had been the first game for me i'd have most likely enjoyed it, but after 1 and 2 (i even had some niggles in 2) 3 felt dumbed down, really linear, the characters felt wrong like they'd all been emotionally overhauled.. (bit like Varric in Inquisition) Areas felt like set pieces on a green screen.. weapons were a pain to use, I'm not sure.. it felt way off compared to the first two..

I didn't think 3 was that different from 2 really. The only thing I noticed (combat-wise) was that powers were changed and I was really grateful for that. Story-wise I thought it was better mostly because all I remember from 2 was doing the companion missions to get loyalty and then doing the suicide mission. Everything else except the invasion of the Normandy was kind of...just there. I appreciated 3's attempt to incorporate stuff with Tali and Wrex and the war assets. Maybe I'm just easily pleased.

[DanteYoda]

I'm surprised by the outrage in this thread. What someone else does in their single player game should not affect anyone here.

 

There is a huge difference between demanding changes to the characters from BioWare and simply modding the game. One affects everyone, changes the artistic vision and the story... and the other one only affects you if you allow it.

 

Seriously, why are people upset about something that someone does in private? Something that doesn't change your experience one bit?

 

In my personal opinion mods like Isabela with white skin or all women in bikinis are just wrong... but that's just my opinion and nothing more. Let's be honest... no one is perfectly political correct in their fantasies, in their own mind. We all have thoughts that we would never speak out loud. But that's okay because, again, it doesn't affect anyone else. I am sure that people know the difference between an NPC and a real person and act accordingly.

 

Modding a game and playing it is completely voluntarily. You don't have to deal with any of that if you don't want to.

 

I may be finding those mods to be silly, distasteful and wrong... but that's just my opinion and it is worth exactly as much as the opinion of someone who enjoys playing in a Thedas filled with super models. And that's okay.

 

It's kind of amusing that the BioWare forum is suddendly narrow-minded and demands that everyone conforms to the given standards, condemning all deviations.

 

What the OP did wrong was trying to argue with science. Instead they could have just said: I want it because I like it. End of story. It's just a matter of personal taste, nothing more. Interpreting this question in the worst possible way is not going to net anyone positive results.

 

Modding is something you don't have to see unless you go looking for it. If it upsets you? Don't look. It's as easy as that. I have no idea why this thread needed seven pages of discussions...

Completely agree 100%, this is the first game i've seen anger about mods that are personal taste thrown around like everyone is expected to use them, trust me if i could get a long hair mod for my Inky, Cass, Josephine and a few others i surely would but after the bi Cassandra fiasco i think modders gave up and moved on..

 

Very sad, i'd make my own if i just had the knowledge and talent..

 

I had hundreds of Skyrim mods that included better bodies, hairs, some better anime, Darksiders armor, new areas, more companions, hundreds of weapons, spell arrows, new monsters and animals, dragons overhaul.... list went on..

 

Just because you acknowledge a person's right to do something doesn't mean you can't think that what they're doing is gross.

 

ex: If you like to eat poop. I acknowledge that you're well within your rights to do so, doesn't mean I don't think you're disgusting for doing it. 

Which is fine, but here then they attack them over and over until they either leave or fall in line... That to me is wrong, everyone has an opinion right and wrong about their game, if i want a long haired cass and use it in my game it should not affect anyone else at all..

 

But people here act like it does haha.

 

Agh, it doesn't really sound like I will be fan of this new ME. It sounds like they are centering the game around the one thing I disliked most- exploration with Mako. If I want to play car game I buy one. Sigh, it doesn't really seem like Bioware knows why they are popular or then they know and they don't like it, cause they are popular for story and characters, not for exploration and open world-games. 

 

I guess these things should be discussed in ME4 forum instead of here though.. but there isn't one yet ^^;

 

Though since OP already got answer to his question I think it's okay to go little off-topic.

I might actually like it i loved the mako, i explored every single planet 100% lol

[Panda]

quote please

 

Usual complaint, not something in this thread necessarily

 

Could you point me to other fantasy games with LI with scars ? Played few but can't remember any other.

 

Other fantasy games with LI's is hard task itself. Point is that Cassandra having scar is fits to her perfectly, like Iron Bull's lost eye and tons of scars and Cullen's scar fits them as well. Only Cassandra's scar gets modded out and complained though, although Bull is much more scarred than her. Why is that?

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Easy stuff. 

Cass is a mature woman with a little knack for romantics, the woman that has been around for sure. 

You don't like mature women?
You don't mate Cass.

 

P.S. However I miss that cute type of LI the Merrill was. I miss her a lot :/

[xkg]

Other fantasy games with LI's is hard task itself. Point is that Cassandra having scar is fits to her perfectly, like Iron Bull's lost eye and tons of scars and Cullen's scar fits them as well. Only Cassandra's scar gets modded out and complained though, although Bull is much more scarred than her. Why is that?

 

From my POV it would be easy to explain. Here where I live there is this saying and it goes like

It's easier for ugly guy to find good looking girl than it is for ugly girl to find good looking guy.

 

But I can't be sure if this custom is more universal than just local here. Can't find any other explanation other than that.

[DanteYoda]

Usual complaint, not something in this thread necessarily

 

 

Other fantasy games with LI's is hard task itself. Point is that Cassandra having scar is fits to her perfectly, like Iron Bull's lost eye and tons of scars and Cullen's scar fits them as well. Only Cassandra's scar gets modded out and complained though, although Bull is much more scarred than her. Why is that?

Not sure if its my Video, but does anyone else's Cullen look pale, sickly and like he has a flu sweat all over him, every time i look at Cullen i feel like the poor chap needs some serious medicine and a lay down for a week...

 

I always look at these ladies on here saying he's so hot and think   but he looks so ill to me lol

 

Easy stuff. 

Cass is a mature woman with a little knack for romantics, the woman that has been around for sure. 

You don't like mature women?
You don't mate Cass.

 

P.S. However I miss that cute type of LI the Merrill was. I miss her a lot :/

Funnily she doesn't look mature to me she looks butch.

 

But i agree i miss Merrill a lot too

[Lumix19]

Completely agree 100%, this is the first game i've seen anger about mods that are personal taste thrown around like everyone is expected to use them, trust me if i could get a long hair mod for my Inky, Cass, Josephine and a few others i surely would but after the bi Cassandra fiasco i think modders gave up and moved on..

 

Very sad, i'd make my own if i just had the knowledge and talent..

 

I had hundreds of Skyrim mods that included better bodies, hairs, some better anime, Darksiders armor, new areas, more companions, hundreds of weapons, spell arrows, new monsters and animals, dragons overhaul.... list went on..

I think Skyrim and DA is kind of an unfair comparison. Skyrim's characters are, by and large lifeless, and pretty uninspired. I can't actually think of a single memorable character from Skyrim. So when you mod them you're just adding stuff to what is essentially a blank slate.

 

Dragon Age's characters are actual fictional people, in the sense that they are their own character with back stories, motives and personality and (I guess in some people's mind) a distinctive look. So changing that character to fit your own desires, whether physically or personality wise is kind of destroying a character to rebuild it as something you want. You're not falling in love with Cassandra, your falling in love with Bi!Cassandra or whatever.

 

I'm ambivalent about the whole issue but I kind of get this point (assuming this is the point that these people are trying to make). And really nobody is asking you to conform to the same standards. If you don't like Cassandra's look, and that's enough to make you unwilling to romance her, just don't romance her. I don't like Dorian's mustache for example and I don't feel like I should.

 

Modding's weirdly like fanfiction.

[Fredward]

If a character's face bothers you to the point where you have difficulty playing the game life must absolutely ****** suck  for you.

[Panda]

From my POV it would be easy to explain. Here where I live there is this saying and it goes like

It's easier for ugly guy to find good looking girl than it is for ugly girl to find good looking guy.

 

But I can't be sure if this custom is more universal than just local here. Can't find any other explanation other than that.

 

Why is it so? Why is warrior woman supposed to look unscarred, when male warrior can look scarred and it's even preferred? They have same job and similar armor to use. Or should female warrior not to be warrior then, when she's not allowed to get hurt unlike male warriors, because her unscarred face is more important than her job.

 

Not that I think that scars are unpretty, pretty much opposite.

[Panda]

Not sure if its my Video, but does anyone else's Cullen look pale, sickly and like he has a flu sweat all over him, every time i look at Cullen i feel like the poor chap needs some serious medicine and a lay down for a week...

 

I always look at these ladies on here saying he's so hot and think   but he looks so ill to me lol

 

Funnily she doesn't look mature to me she looks butch.

 

But i agree i miss Merrill a lot too

 

You are only one I have heard to say this so probaply it's just your video then I don't actually find him that attractive, not my type, although he's still quite okay looking.

 

I don't have much concept on butch, but first thing that came to my mind with Cass was Catwoman. Other was: I want that haircut! I think she looks great warrior-like woman to me, she's look-wise like ideal of woman to me.

[xkg]

Why is it so? Why is warrior woman supposed to look unscarred, when male warrior can look scarred and it's even preferred? They have same job and similar armor to use. Or should female warrior not to be warrior then, when she's not allowed to get hurt unlike male warriors, because her unscarred face is more important than her job.

 

Not that I think that scars are unpretty, pretty much opposite.

 

What I meant is - it is easier for woman to overlook man's flaws than the other way around. I doubt that people pay much attention to the fact that she is warrior. That's only explanation I can find to why her scars removing mod is more popular.

 

Me personally, I don't mind scars in the game nor in RL. 

[DaemionMoadrin]

I think Skyrim and DA is kind of an unfair comparison. Skyrim's characters are, by and large lifeless, and pretty uninspired. I can't actually think of a single memorable character from Skyrim. So when you mod them you're just adding stuff to what is essentially a blank slate.

 

Dragon Age's characters are actual fictional people, in the sense that they are their own character with back stories, motives and personality and (I guess in some people's mind) a distinctive look. So changing that character to fit your own desires, whether physically or personality wise is kind of destroying a character to rebuild it as something you want. You're not falling in love with Cassandra, your falling in love with Bi!Cassandra or whatever.

 

I'm ambivalent about the whole issue but I kind of get this point (assuming this is the point that these people are trying to make). And really nobody is asking you to conform to the same standards. If you don't like Cassandra's look, and that's enough to make you unwilling to romance her, just don't romance her. I don't like Dorian's mustache for example and I don't feel like I should.

 

Modding's weirdly like fanfiction.

 

Do you know how much fanfiction exists?

 

You are completely right, except for one point: If someone doesn't feel like romancing the original Cassandra, then they have two options: Don't romance her or mod her. And it shouldn't matter to anyone else if they do.

[Dieb]

A think it's more of a personality thing.

 

If you're opening a thread on a public discussion forum inhabited by passionate likeminds to an extend, instead of googling it, you are asking for exposure. If women have strong, characteristic features that are not huge bosoms or badonkadonks and people want them changed, it is more of a statement ontop of the expression of personal taste.

 

The thing is, Cassandra is visually unique because of what some people are repulsed by. She has a generally pretty face, which is hardly iconic or a defining feature of a character in a video game. The personal part is her scars, short hair and chiselled jawline. If you want that changed, you're in turn saying you want her to be (again, visually) another video game chick, with smooth face and long hair.  Some may call me out on generalizing, but I dare anyone to illustrate a convincing scenario, where people would have given Cassandra's appearance the time of the day had the game been markted & shipped with her having a thinner face, no scars and lucious mane.

 

If you dislike the woman that keeps her hair short, and charges into battle head-on and gets roughed up a fair share for it, then you don't want Cassandra. If you just need a body and a face you can find pretty, you don't need Cassandra.

 

The "LI" thing comes naturally from character interaction. It is not a seperate mechanic, or even an aspect of gameplay with mutually agreed on parameters. Bringing examples of "LI"s with personally more desirable features in this or any other game to the table, bears no relevance to basically anything I'm saying or coming from. So you're liking Cassandra to some extend, but are repulsed by her face/head/whatever? I'd say close but no cigar, such is life. Maybe I'm just the odd one out, but being overzalous about the romance feature and then making a big deal out of superficial things seems kind of disconnected to me.

 

So do I wish harm on or aim to insult anyone for modding his game to his preferences, whatever they may be? Absolutely not. Do I dislike the notion of having video game women be brushed for what I call "mainstream sexappeal", and like to express my disdain towards whomever willing to publicly anounce it?

 

Hell yeah, internet.

[Lumix19]

Do you know how much fanfiction exists?

 

You are completely right, except for one point: If someone doesn't feel like romancing the original Cassandra, then they have two options: Don't romance her or mod her. And it shouldn't matter to anyone else if they do.

True. Personally I prefer to sit on the fence, much better view.

[10K]

Other fantasy games with LI's is hard task itself. Point is that Cassandra having scar is fits to her perfectly, like Iron Bull's lost eye and tons of scars and Cullen's scar fits them as well. Only Cassandra's scar gets modded out and complained though, although Bull is much more scarred than her. Why is that?

I think it's just alot of individuals find women with scars unattractive; hence Cass is only being targeted when modding out scars. Personally I don't see the issue. If a player don't like the options they should just move on. It isn't that serious, romances are just side material. 

[Panda]

What I meant is - it is easier for woman to overlook man's flaws than the other way around. I doubt that people pay much attention to the fact that she is warrior. That's only explanation I can find to why her scars removing mod is more popular.

 

Me personally, I don't mind scars in the game nor in RL. 

 

This brings me to one of my earlier comments in other thread that got some people angry but.. it seems like some straight male gamers should widen their horizons

 

I can't personally find any reason that isn't sexist, that female LI's aren't allowed to have scars even more so when their profession is fighting and that's why it bothers me so much. I do think that every can mod their games as they want, but there is always reason behind why person uses certain mod and in case of removing Cass' scars only reason seems to be sexist. Well, if someone can give me better reason to do so, they are welcome ^^

[10K]

This brings me to one of my earlier comments in other thread that got some people angry but.. it seems like some straight male gamers should widen their horizons

 

I can't personally find any reason that isn't sexist, that female LI's aren't allowed to have scars even more so when their profession is fighting and that's why it bothers me so much. I do think that every can mod their games as they want, but there is always reason behind why person uses certain mod and in case of removing Cass' scars only reason seems to be sexist. Well, if someone can give me better reason to do so, they are welcome ^^

I wouldn't call those people sexiest per se. But I agree in what you're saying.

[GreyWarden_Smith]

There are mods to change male characters appearances are they sexist? I don't think any of them are sexist, if they were the people would be against her being a fighter in the first place as that is a typical "male" role in society. I understand that its a bigger deal for woman than man when you comes to appearance because a higher value is put upon a woman appearance than a man's. 

 

But I do agree that Cass scars serve a purpose and tell you a lot about her character and to remove them seems silly but people have modded appearances since DA:O (made Wynne young & attractive) and I don't think it comes a place of hate but their personal preferences. 

 

I think it comes down to the fact that humans in general like beautiful things, there are reasons why most celebrities are attractive people (with no facial markings) regardless of their fields. its why Photoshop is such a big deal in society.

 

Cass is attractive with her scars IMO but I Don't find Iron Bull to be attractive does that make a bad person No but just a person with a preference, we all have preferences.