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[ToYz_R_RusH]

Thing is, it isn't always necessary to flame for longer periods.

 

 I wholeheartedly agree! I haven't watched your video, but I suspect we do the same thing... flame in between acolyte shots while it's charging up (or reloading, etc).  I was rather hasty when I wrote the comment and didn't (still don't) know how to best phrase what I do with certain enemies (especially brutes).

 

Brutes are already slow.  Cryo rounds make them a statue.  I'll usually kill them quickly with 2-3 shots (flaming between shots) but I'll sometimes pop a a shot + very short flamer just for some DOT and use them as a shield.  Imagine, for example, you have some mooks and a brute nearby and a ravager shooting from across the map.  Hit the brute to slow him down and use him as a shield from the ravager.  You'll then be able to focus fire on killing the mooks while DOT severely damages the brute.  When everything else is dead, finish off the brute and chase down that ravager.  ie)  flame the brute over a longer period of time than normal so you can cause more damage to other enemies without having to take cover.  Does that make sense to you?  I hope it does, 'cause I don't think I can really explain what I do without finding my capture card and making a video of it.

[Terminator Force]

I see you've done a platinum solo (once) so you have that going for you... but you're still an idiot and your arrogance is astounding.  The GTS can be setup a bunch of different ways and still beast everything.  YOU may not like cryo rounds, but that's probably because you're play style doesn't compliment them.  When you start playing the game well and learn how to use characters to their potential, you'll eventually see the benefits of the acolyte / cryo rounds on the GTS.  Saying your way is the only way to play the character effectively and efficiently is like saying the GI javelin is the only way to build the GI.

 

I don't know how conceited did his build (and I'm too lazy to look) but I prefer a 65654 build.  Damage is optional instead of Reach.  Hurricane is optional as a secondary (if you have troubles killing guardians).  Feel free to substitute a cyclonic instead of a power amp, or engineering kit instead of stronghold package.  This build gets you the strongest flamer and still allows you to be rather beefy.

 

The Acolyte (as we all know) is awesome for dealing with shields.  Cryo rounds will freeze mooks so you don't have to worry about them from far away.  It slows down enemies so you can flame them longer (like brutes).  It also weakens armor, meaning your flamer does even more damage.  In platinum, that makes a HUGE difference.  Sure, you can use other ammo types and get close to the same outcome, but I'd rather save my other ammo types for characters that can better utilize them (and suck with cryo ammo).  The GTS is one of the few characters that greatly benefits from cryo ammo- there's no reason not to use them on him.

 

Don't knock something just because you're not good enough or lack the knowledge on how to properly use a character (or in your case, both).

 

Hey, it's a free internet world. So your opinion is valid too (outside of spreading false information).

 

That and I see the joke flew over your head too.

 

 

And benifit of Acolyte? Yes, I see it too. Why I don't like to use it. Because I can play well enough, thus don't need crutchlite help, thank you.

 

I think Cryo Rounds are the worst ammo, but don't mean I don't use them. It's called handicapping myself for more challenge. As I'm against too optimum builds. Prefer more hipster with focus on fun builds. But that's just me. You don't have to play like I do or be forced to enjoy the stuff I enjoy.

 

And no, Cryo Round do not weaken armour for making Flamer stronger. All it does, beside slowing down enemies, is reduce the armour dmg penalty of bullets. That's it. Not extra dmg from cryo round whatsoever. So you're the one lacking knowledge here + spreading false information.

[RustyBuckets02]

And no, Cryo Round do not weaken armour for making Flamer stronger. All it does, beside slowing down enemies, is reduce the armour dmg penalty of bullets. That's it. Not extra dmg from cryo round whatsoever. So you're the one lacking knowledge here + spreading false information.

Cryo ammo does have a weaken effect on armour listed on the ever so reliable tooltips, same for warp ammo. But I think that relates to the flat 50 points reduction in damage that armour gets, which if the flamer doesn't ignore, is pretty irrelevant given the amount of damage it does.

[Terminator Force]

Cryo ammo does have a weaken effect on armour listed on the ever so reliable tooltips, same for warp ammo. But I think that relates to the flat 50 points reduction in damage that armour gets, which if the flamer doesn't ignore, is pretty irrelevant given the amount of damage it does.

 

Yes, it works like Warp/Armour ammo in that in only deals with the 50 per bullet armour dmg reduction, just no extra dmg boost whatsoever. But for some reason most folks think it works like Cryo Blast. Thus on an Acolyte that suffers no armour dmg reduction, the only benefit it get is priming and slowing down enemies. That's it. As in no extra dmg whatsoever.

 

And why cryo ammo is really only useful on Incinerate and Concussive Shot with that respective evolution. Other then that I think it also helps powers with forcer like throw do more dmg if they are completely frozen and maybe even partially.

[ToYz_R_RusH]

Hey, it's a free internet world. So your opinion is valid too (outside of spreading false information).

 

That and I see the joke flew over your head too.

 

 

And benifit of Acolyte? Yes, I see it too. Why I don't like to use it. Because I can play well enough, thus don't need crutchlite help, thank you.

 

I think Cryo Rounds are the worst ammo, but don't mean I don't use them. It's called handicapping myself for more challenge. As I'm against too optimum builds. Prefer more hipster with focus on fun builds. But that's just me. You don't have to play like I do or be forced to enjoy the stuff I enjoy.

 

And no, Cryo Round do not weaken armour for making Flamer stronger. All it does, beside slowing down enemies, is reduce the armour dmg penalty of bullets. That's it. Not extra dmg from cryo round whatsoever. So you're the one lacking knowledge here + spreading false information.

 

Once again, you're proving yourself to be a complete idiot.  Wait, is that the joke? ... That you make fun of people for using something you don't understand?  Or is the joke that you pretend to be too good for certain kits because you pretend to know more about this game than you actually do?

 

I spread NO false information in my post.  Your posts, however, seem to be full of it.  Cryo ammo DOES affect flamer.  It applies a chilled / frozen effect on the enemies, which separates itself from weapon damage and spreads it across the board, unlike the massive damage boost from warp rounds to primed targets.

 

Incendiary ammo adds a fire effect to the enemy.  Guess what?  It can be affected by powers (which is why it can be detonated)

Disruptor ammo adds an electrical effect to the enemy.  Guess what?  It can be affected by powers (which is why it can be detonated)

Cryo ammo adds a chilled / frozen effect to the enemy.  Low and behold, it can also be affected by powers too!

These effects are not applied strictly to weapon damage.

 

Cryo ammo works more like cryo blast instead of snap freeze.  That's why it can only be detonated when the enemy dies.  I take it you weren't around in the old days when this used to be the case with other explosions as well...

 

There is nothing wrong with focusing on 'hipster / fun' builds.  Refusing to optimize the build, however, is idiotic.  (seems to be a common theme with you...)  I love taking an HSol with an avenger.  Sure, the HSol is more powerful with other weapons, but you can optimize that build to be effective and efficient on platinum (focus on tech bursts).  It's fun to do, but more importantly, it only works when the character is ... *dun dun dun....* optimized.  Bringing a Javelin and Claymore on an adept with an SMG rail amp, combatives upgrade,  stability mod, and explosive rounds while trying to create tech bursts is not.  Sadly, from what you're writing, I'm left to believe that you might try this build...

 

You're the one spreading horrible information.  You're the one bashing Cainceited when he isn't around anymore to defend his build.  You're the one bashing every player who uses cryo rounds (especially on a GTS).  Why?  Simple... because you don't understand the game.  Stop.  The only reason I'm flaming you is because you took it upon yourself to bash those who understand how to play and you don't.  Stop.

[Terminator Force]

I wasn't bashing folks for using cryo ammo. So the joke clearly flew over your head.

 

For the rest, I'm not going to bother.

[NuclearTech76]

Caine still frequents the forum, I doubt he gave enough of a damn to engage Sinful in a discussion about his build. JMO though.

[Terminator Force]

Caine still frequents the forum, I doubt he gave enough of a damn to engage Sinful in a discussion about his build. JMO though.

 

He already did. He too knows there are better ammo for that kit + Acolyte. Vid is outdated.

[Ghost Of N7_SP3CTR3]

He already did. He too knows there are better ammo for that kit + Acolyte. Vid is outdated.

And exactly how is the video outdated?Everything in the video is exactly as it is now.

 

 

Easy Mode! lol

Modifié par N7_SP3CTR3, 09 avril 2015 - 12:17 .

[Terminator Force]

And exactly how is the video outdated?Everything in the video is exactly as it is now.

 

 

Easy Mode! lol

 

Just that detail of the build. Otherwise I enjoyed it, if that's what your asking.

[ToYz_R_RusH]

I wasn't bashing folks for using cryo ammo. So the joke clearly flew over your head.

 

For the rest, I'm not going to bother.

 

"Cryo and Acolyte is a combo you see very often on him due to this vid by a BSNer called "Platinum made easy" or something like that. Course any other ammo is better on him (especially Incindiary, of course), thus how you know whenever you see this setup; somebody was really hurting for not sucking at this game and looked up for some cheese help and stumbled upon that video like everyone else. Why I think it's funny everytime I see it."

 

That sounds exactly like you're bashing folks for using cryo ammo on that build.  I don't know how else to take your statement.  A joke is only a joke when others understand it.  The above statement is bashing folks who use cryo rounds because of your belief that people who use them on the GTS must suck "at this game and looked up for some cheese help..."  I assure you, I don't suck at this game and you made this personal when you made that statement.  There's nothing funny about someone spreading bad information because they are too arrogant to understand how something works.  There's also nothing funny about someone assuming people must suck at the game because you lack the skill to use what someone else does.  The only joke I see here is you believing you're correct...  There's more than one way to play a character.

 

 

He already did. He too knows there are better ammo for that kit + Acolyte. Vid is outdated.

 

Did he change his name on the forums?  I just went through this forum and didn't see anything posted by him.  Proof or it didn't happen.  Also, there isn't a better option- there are simply alternative options depending on your individual play style.

[NuclearTech76]

He already did. He too knows there are better ammo for that kit + Acolyte. Vid is outdated.

Better is not always determined by strictly ttk. Shield breaking ammo like disruptor or phasic is fine. Incendiary is better but again who gives a **** because the cheese with an acolyte isn't going have great effect on ttk. So again if someone wants them for slowing the enemy to allow the dot to eat things more why shouldn't they use them? I don't see it as a slam dunk for someone to use something other than cryo if using an acolyte.

[Ghost Of N7_SP3CTR3]

Did he change his name on the forums?  I just went through this forum and didn't see anything posted by him.  Proof or it didn't happen.  Also, there isn't a better option- there are simply alternative options depending on your individual play style.

He actually does have a different ID here,but I'm not sure what Cain's current username is here atm,It was 'with great power' or something like that.

[ToYz_R_RusH]

He actually does have a different ID here,but I'm not sure what Cain's current username is here atm,It was 'with great power' or something like that.

 

Ahh... that makes sense.  Thanks for clearing that up.  (It's been years since I've browsed through the forums)

[Ghost Of N7_SP3CTR3]

Yeah,he was originally Caineghis here(and still is his GT),but had a few name changes in the forums.

[Deerber]

He actually does have a different ID here,but I'm not sure what Cain's current username is here atm,It was 'with great power' or something like that.

 

He's Retired Young.

[Ghost Of N7_SP3CTR3]

He's Retired Young.

Thank you.

[Deerber]

I spread NO false information in my post.

I hate to break you, man, but you did.

Also this very post I quoted contains more false information.


Also, for once, I don't think Sinful was bashing anyone? I didn't read much beyond the last pages, but it looks to me like he was just expressing his opinion?

Lol, here I am, defending Sinful. Where has the world gone







Also, obligatory lolcaineghisacolytetrooperbuild. It's the right thread.

[Deerber]

This is the last time I ignore a thread simply because I believe the premise to be an unequivocal, objective truth and in no need of discussion or elaboration

Clearly, I've missed something fantastic.

That's exactly how I'm feeling now o.O

[The NightMan Cometh]

New Consensus...

 

[The NightMan Cometh]

Versus 1 Trooper...Really????????

 

[Dalakaar]

Cryo ammo works more like cryo blast instead of snap freeze.  That's why it can only be detonated when the enemy dies.  I take it you weren't around in the old days when this used to be the case with other explosions as well...

I still revert back to that sometimes. Then Singularity surprises me with it's usefulness.

 

It's like revirginizing.

[J. Peterman]

eDong thread.

[The Real Pearl #2]

I like seeing these threads, it statisifies my sadistic nature. Trolling pugs with the Undying bastard is really fun. 

 

*First warning point... wonderful   

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I like seeing these threads, it statisifies my sadistic nature. Trolling pugs with the Undying bastard is really fun. 

 

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