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[LuckyStarr]

The difference is, GT is much easier to play and be very effective with. A lot of noobs were recommneded and actually completed Plat solos with GT and Acolyte in 40 minutes (much faster than they would normally do), because it's such and easy to play, forgiving and powerful kit. 

It is quite possible that I was playing GT wrong, so keep it in mind, but I found him to be one of the toughest characters to play in the whole game. It's the opposite of fun, and certainly the opposite of ease. And I think I even tried him w/o Hunter Mode as well.

[NuclearTech76]

Oh, by the way, my Vorcha build was also wrong! I forgotten to replace the Stronghold Package with Omnicapacitors!

http://kalence.drupa...33T51363!E8.EGG

 

624 flamer dmg with Power Amplifier III, 664 with IV A clear win for Vorcha considering he can fearlessly use his flamer while GT needs to choose positions carefully and hide from time to time to recharge the shield.

 

I dare say you've got it backwards. GT is the hit-and-run character here. On Gold.

Again, lol. Nothing else really needs to be said. 

[DisturbedPsic0]

It is quite possible that I was playing GT wrong, so keep it in mind, but I found him to be one of the toughest characters to play in the whole game. It's the opposite of fun, and certainly the opposite of ease. And I think I even tried him w/o Hunter Mode as well.

Have you watched any videos of him being played? Maybe you should check them out. I know my skill level shot up when I say other players playing characters in ways that wasn't natural to me. 

[Darth Volus]

It is quite possible that I was playing GT wrong, so keep it in mind, but I found him to be one of the toughest characters to play in the whole game. It's the opposite of fun, and certainly the opposite of ease.

 

Sounds like an L2P issue 

 

Jokes aside. I agree that Vorcha can be really good (especially the Sentinel) and if you enjoy playing and think they are better - more power to you. But don't diss on GT, because stats and people experiences prove that it's a monster kit and probably one of the most OP kits ever made. 

[LuckyStarr]

Again, lol. Nothing else really needs to be said. 

I'm starting to wonder if it's L2P Vorcha issue with you

 

Have you watched any videos of him being played? Maybe you should check them out. I know my skill level shot up when I say other players playing characters in ways that wasn't natural to me. 

Only yours, I think. Yeah, I definitely need fresh ideas if I am to complete the 200 waves challenge. Do you have any video suggestions for me?

[NuclearTech76]

I'm starting to wonder if it's L2P Vorcha issue with you

Possibly. Flamer and Cluster Grenades are very hard to grasp. 

[LuckyStarr]

Possibly. Flamer and Cluster Grenades are very hard to grasp. 

I wouldn't know, I spec out of grenades - not that it should make my build any stronger than yours.

But if you say Vorcha is not survivable, then things start smelling wrong, because he's one of THE most survivable characters in the game. Probably in top 5.

[capn233]

The movement speed alone makes up for those lost shields... So does being able to take extra consumables (though I just used stronghold) and still have a free GS.

 

Not taking Hunter Mode does not in any way make a solo easier lol

 

I guess loufi has already addressed this, but the reason people skipped HM was to get full shields... a build that is only halfway decent because of GS.  I don't remember what the "ez mode" solo vid had for a build, but there were definitely people talking about no-HM w/ GS as a miracle platinum build.

 

Armored compartments though.

 

Most of the time people who are looking for the "easiest" build and setup for a platinum solo will not be taking AC.  I would agree that I would personally rather take it than GS.

 

You mean something like that : http://kalence.drupa...24N52334!DA.EG 

 

3150 shields + 40% DR + a dodge + a crazy dps with Flamer is what makes me put the GT among the easiest character to solo with. However, Flamer has a 15m range at best, so some setups wouldn't be so easy with him.  

 

GS equipped on a Geth should cause the character to self destruct immediately on Wave 1 load.

 

But in any case, whether it is easy or not isn't the same as best, and I guess that is where I am getting hung up.  Also, Flamer doesn't do crazy dps, even if the total damage for a full cast is high.  The DPS ends up being around 3000 or so to armor.  Sounds good, until you think about something like the Reegar, or even more "pedestrian" examples like the Hurricane, Raider, Wraith, Claymore when used on a decent weapon damage character.

[Terminator Force]

LuckyStarr, don't worry if you can make the most of kits so early on. Just enjoy whatever you enjoy & what your good with. So if you have an easier and more fun time with Vorcha's then GT, then so be it. And enjoy the fact that you got so many more hours of ME3mp then the rest of us that already know the game way too well.

[NuclearTech76]

I wouldn't know, I spec out of grenades - not that it should make my build any stronger than yours.

But if you say Vorcha is not survivable, then things start smelling wrong, because he's one of THE most survivable characters in the game. Probably in top 5.

[Terminator Force]

I guess loufi has already addressed this, but the reason people skipped HM was to get full shields... a build that is only halfway decent because of GS.  I don't remember what the "ez mode" solo vid had for a build, but there were definitely people talking about no-HM w/ GS as a miracle platinum build.

 

That video had a Hunter Mode build, but he did suggest no Hunter Mode as an option too, and may even have recommended it? Because that video was all about Acolyte + Flamer abuse, to which Hunter Mode don't really help much with.

[NuclearTech76]

That video had a Hunter Mode build, but he did suggest no Hunter Mode as an option too, and may even have recommended it? Because that video was all about Acolyte + Flamer abuse, to which Hunter Mode don't really help much with.

Hunter Mode allows you to throw ACV  on as well though if you wish. I mean if you want to completely trivialize the game why not throw that in there as well?

 

Trooper is the ultimate easy mode kit. Not only can it kill the **** out of everything super quick (fast enough to do a Plat solo in 20 mins) but it's also tanky enough for just about anyone to use effectively. 

[RayD3MSoC]

http://kalence.drupa...24X53364!DA855C

 

This was what I ran for the originally mentioned Plat solo.  The survivability was ridiculous.  I think I tanked 2 Ravager hits without being shield gated...

Like I said, when farming waves survived, I played the 2 Vorcha kits, and the GT is alot less squishy imo (with Cyclonics on Gold or Plat at least).

 

I should mention this is only my 4th Platinum solo and I did not come anywhere near 10 WS in my previous 3.  The other 3 were also definitely not done in a single attempt.  The fact that I did this solo with one medigel, in my lowest time and on my first attempt is absurd.

 

The Acolyte is probably a better choice, if just for the 30% extra power damage, but I am low on pistol amps.  I would also take Armored Compartments or Survivor Loadout if I was going to do this more seriously.  (I only needed 3 waves and had no idea I would make it to the end lol)

[Terminator Force]

Hunter Mode allows you to throw ACV  on as well though if you wish. I mean if you want to completely trivialize the game why not throw that in there as well?

 

Trooper is the ultimate easy mode kit. Not only can it kill the **** out of everything super quick (fast enough to do a Plat solo in 20 mins) but it's also tanky enough for just about anyone to use effectively. 

 

Oh, I'm not arguing which is better. Was just answering capn233.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

I wouldn't know, I spec out of grenades - not that it should make my build any stronger than yours.
But if you say Vorcha is not survivable, then things start smelling wrong, because he's one of THE most survivable characters in the game. Probably in top 5.

Making all these crazy claims about Vorcha being better. Can you actually prove it or are you just going to talk endlessly like the dudes on Ancient Aliens?

[NuclearTech76]

Making all these crazy claims about Vorcha being better. Can you actually prove it or are you just going to talk endlessly like the dudes on Ancient Aliens?

[123123123]

I don't get Geth Trooper. Nowhere near as good as Vorcha Soldier / Sentinel with the Flamer (simply because Vorcha has survivability that Geth lacks, even though Geth has slightly higher paper damage), and very mediocre with guns. It's not even in the same league as TGI.

 

Just... I don't even...

[capn233]

http://kalence.drupa...24X53364!DA855C

...

 

The Acolyte is probably a better choice, if just for the 30% extra power damage, but I am low on pistol amps.  I would also take Armored Compartments or Survivor Loadout if I was going to do this more seriously.  (I only needed 3 waves and had no idea I would make it to the end lol)

 

Venom is about 1000x better against Cerberus, IMO.  Not a bad choice against the other factions either.

[123123123]

Soloed gold with this flamerless trooper

 

Mass Effect 3 Character Builder | Kalence

 

took longer than the Kroguard but it was also reapers

 

the only kit i use hunter mode on

 

This is pretty fun.

[123123123]

Yeah, I know GT has higher theoretical flamer damage, but it's too damn squishy to stand and flame. Even with cyclonics. Vorcha Soldier / Sentinel has no problem with that, on the other hand, and needs no shield equipment whatsoever.
 

 

 

It makes perfect sense if you spec flamer for armor damage and not shield / barrier damage. But lately I don't bother shooting at all and just flame everything regardless.

 

 

I usually don't, hence Acolyte. But then I did spec for shield damage once. It was OK. Can't really say one option is superior to the other. Shield damage especially good vs. Cerberus.

 

I fail to make that distinction. Obviously, I don't ever use ops packs with Vorcha, as well as shield equipment. And I very rarely die. Like twice per game, sometimes even once. GT, on the other hand, has no regen and gets downed all the time. Shield HP irrelevant without means to regenerate it. It's not Juggernaut with his shield recharge melee. Which is why, btw, shield power cells are superior to cyclonics on many characters.

 

Stop Trolling!

[Geth Master Race]

Stop Trolling!

Unfortunately,I don't think he's trolling.

[123123123]

I don't usually play Plat, and if I do, I only bring TGI or AIU. Your comment is hardly relevant, no one said we're only discussing plat builds. Or at least I was not aware we are.

 

Ahh, missed that one. Now GT is becoming interesting. But this build burns precious cyclonic mods, which I don't have. And I bet it burns ops packs as well.

 

Sounds perfectly sensible, but contradicts my experience. The Vorcha's dodge is probably key, he takes less hits in the first place.

 

Why don't you trying running This I also love using adr III as you can move fast and stay out of enemy fire. Survivability is important and speed helps a lot with it.

[123123123]

I die maybe once a game with GT, so sounds like a l2p problem, and you should be proud since I've never told anyone that before.

 

And 20 Gold games means zilch to me. You've played 6 games with the GT. Try putting in equal time with each kit. I've played over 1000 more hours than you. Don't talk to me about experience. Also, I'm not saying the vorcha are bad. I'm saying your arugment that they're tankier and have a better flamer than the GT is flat out wrong.

 

 

You can't argue with stupid.

[123123123]

Unfortunately,I don't think he's trolling.

 

Jesus ****** Christ! I have played with David Starr... And needless-to-say he dies quite a bit with whatever character he uses. Maybe its lag... o.o

[TheTechnoTurian]

I run Geth Trooper with Geth Pulse Rifle and skip flamer, if I am feeling like I don't want to contribute much I burst fire the GPR for added authenticity.