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[Darth Volus]

I run Geth Trooper with Geth Pulse Rifle and skip flamer, if I am feeling like I don't want to contribute much I burst fire the GPR for added authenticity.

 

6 and a half hours later.... 

[JRandall0308]

I need to watch Caneighis's video like six times to make up for this thread.

 

Even with lolCryoAmmo it's still less ridiculous than some of the stuff being discussed here.

[DaemionMoadrin]

I run Geth Trooper with Geth Pulse Rifle and skip flamer, if I am feeling like I don't want to contribute much I burst fire the GPR for added authenticity.

 

I run my Vorcha Soldier without Flamer and use him for the Bloodpack Punisher and Executioner Pistol challenges. Style etc.

[Killahead]

I run my Vorcha Soldier without Flamer and use him for the Bloodpack Punisher and Executioner Pistol challenges. Style etc.

I like your style. I love the vorcha but I can't bring myself to use the flamer except to quickly do the challenge, so I might do the same thing, mostly been playing the engineer to get my vorcha fix.

[DaemionMoadrin]

I like your style. I love the vorcha but I can't bring myself to use the flamer except to quickly do the challenge, so I might do the same thing, mostly been playing the engineer to get my vorcha fix.

 

Well, it's fun... but don't expect to score very high. It's more running around, having your team's back and surviving. It's like the Krogan soldier, just without grenades, less damage and no running melee.

 

I run most my kits like that. Asari Justicar gets Acolyte and Disciple, Quarians use Adas, Reegar, Arc Pistol, Widow... my N7 kits use N7 weapons... etc.

[LuckyStarr]

 Can you actually prove it

I have proved. Dunno if you failed to see my arguments or just dismissed them without debating.

I have linked 2 similar builds that demonstrate the sacrifices (in terms of survivability) GT must commit to get the same or better flamer damage as Vorcha.

I did not discuss weapons-based GT builds, other than saying there are other soldiers that get higher weapon damage bonuses.

 

 

This is pretty fun.

Oh yeah! When in doubt - just throw Harrier on it. Reegar is great, too. Except there are hardly any characters that can't make Harrier work (even if with varying success), and we weren't discussing weapon-based builds for the last 3 pages or so.

[Darth Volus]

Well, it's fun... but don't expect to score very high. It's more running around, having your team's back and surviving. It's like the Krogan soldier, just without grenades, less damage and no running melee.

 

I run most my kits like that. Asari Justicar gets Acolyte and Disciple, Quarians use Adas, Reegar, Arc Pistol, Widow... my N7 kits use N7 weapons... etc.

 

Exactly like me. Although I also avoid using HVB's on shotguns and sniper rifles, because they make the guns look super ugly

[LuckyStarr]

Why don't you trying running This I also love using adr III as you can move fast and stay out of enemy fire. Survivability is important and speed helps a lot with it.

Why warp ammo?

[NuclearTech76]

Scimitar is better than the Claymore. I base this on I can kill husks, swarmers, and abombs faster on bronze. I also have a lower CD.

 

I thought this was a thread where we threw **** against the wall? 

[LuckyStarr]

I have played with David Starr... And needless-to-say he dies quite a bit with whatever character he uses. Maybe its lag... o.o

There's only a handful characters I die rarely with, and every time we played I didn't have an option of bringing them because they were lvl 1 (and they sometimes get boring to the point where I don't feel like playing them; maybe that's why I was trying out something squishy, i.e. one of the other 30 characters).

[NuclearTech76]

I like to spec slowing evolution on prox mine and bonus power with duration on tactical cloak with my GI. 

[Loufi]

I'll bite: http://www.urbandict...ne.php?term=QFE

Lol I knew what you meant.

 

I've tried, yes. I've concluded it is not a viable tactics for GT. Hence my argument that GT is a mediocre character - can't flame, and doesn't get soldier-level weapon damage boost either.

 

 

How would you know? Is it on the manifest somewhere? I don't think I've played more than 3-4 GT games, actually. Couldn't stand that torture.

P. S. Got it, 64 waves completed. Made it that far, huh.

Are you aware that the GT has the world record for the fastest platinum solo with a time just a little over 16 minutes ? In comparison, the fastest plat solo with a vorcha Flamer is longer than 28 minutes. I thought so far that you had "surprising" ideas about the game because you missed experience, but I'm pretty sure now that you are a troll.

 

I guess loufi has already addressed this, but the reason people skipped HM was to get full shields... a build that is only halfway decent because of GS.  I don't remember what the "ez mode" solo vid had for a build, but there were definitely people talking about no-HM w/ GS as a miracle platinum build.

 

 

Most of the time people who are looking for the "easiest" build and setup for a platinum solo will not be taking AC.  I would agree that I would personally rather take it than GS.

 

 

GS equipped on a Geth should cause the character to self destruct immediately on Wave 1 load.

 

But in any case, whether it is easy or not isn't the same as best, and I guess that is where I am getting hung up.  Also, Flamer doesn't do crazy dps, even if the total damage for a full cast is high.  The DPS ends up being around 3000 or so to armor.  Sounds good, until you think about something like the Reegar, or even more "pedestrian" examples like the Hurricane, Raider, Wraith, Claymore when used on a decent weapon damage character.

Yeah but... you need to aim with weapons.    An other advantage of Flamer is its ability to hit several targets simultaneously. 

[Dunmer of Redoran]

I have proved. Dunno if you failed to see my arguments or just dismissed them without debating.
I have linked 2 similar builds that demonstrate the sacrifices (in terms of survivability) GT must commit to get the same or better flamer damage as Vorcha.
I did not discuss weapons-based GT builds, other than saying there are other soldiers that get higher weapon damage bonuses.


Oh yeah! When in doubt - just throw Harrier on it. Reegar is great, too. Except there are hardly any characters that can't make Harrier work (even if with varying success), and we weren't discussing weapon-based builds for the last 3 pages or so.

Builds don't matter. MAKE VIDEO.

[Darth Volus]

Does Flamer even have a target cap? I think not. 

[RayD3MSoC]

From what I understand, and correct me if I am wrong, LuckyStarr is saying that without ANY cyclonics and on gold or lower, and without taking advantage of the free geth scanner to bring more ops packs or rockets, the Vorcha has greater survivability and possibly more damage.

 

I will agree with this point.  Without any cyclonic at all, I think the Vorcha kits have slightly better survivability on Gold or lower.  This is mostly because things like the odd bullet from a Marauder won't kill you when you are health-gated.

 

I can't say I know the damage numbers well enough, but I think they are close and greater survivability means you can get away with more agression, so Lucky may have a point.  However, looking at the speedruns that have been done, clearly the GT is preferred, so I would assume he does more damage in practice (this could just be because he can bring a geth scanner and 3 extra rockets to the same game though...).

 

Once we start talking about Platinum and/or any sort of Cyclonics, this is a pointless argument.  The GT has such a high number of base shields that he gets more out of them than most kits.  Again, he can also bring 3 extra rockets/Ops packs/gels into the game while still having a scanner.

 

In short, if you really want to conserve your consumables as much as possible, maybe the vorcha is better.  Otherwise, the GT wins by, well a lot honestly.

[LuckyStarr]

Are you aware that the GT has the world record for the fastest platinum solo with a time just a little over 16 minutes ? In comparison, the fastest plat solo with a vorcha Flamer is longer than 28 minutes.

I am not. 27-30 minutes is typical solo plat time for the best players. Don't think I ever seen less than 20 minutes, and I don't have a slightest idea how GT could do that, of all the characters much more powerful than him. Got a proof link?

 

LuckyStarr is saying that without ANY cyclonics and on gold or lower, and without taking advantage of the free geth scanner to bring more ops packs or rockets, the Vorcha has greater survivability and possibly more damage.

More or less. Except I didn't consider geth scanner at all (I don't like it, and I don't like HM overlay. It prevents me from seeing more than it helps see, except for solo situations); and I said Vorcha is more survivable even when GT has Cyclonics III - as long as Hunter Mode is enabled. And yes, I was only talking Gold, not Platinum.

 

 

Builds don't matter. MAKE VIDEO.

Video of what? Playing normally with Vorcha, scoring somewhere in the middle and not dying much? There are plenty of those vids on YT. Or failing horribly with GT? What would that prove? I don't get your logic.

[Loufi]

Does Flamer even have a target cap? I think not. 

I never noticed one.

[RayD3MSoC]

I am not. 27-30 minutes is typical solo plat time for the best players. Don't think I ever seen less than 20 minutes, and I don't have a slightest idea how GT could do that, of all the characters much more powerful than him. Got a proof link?

 

IT IS LINKED IN THIS THREAD ALREADY!  *facedesk*

[TheTechnoTurian]

I skip hunter mode on my Javelin GI because Geth Scanner does the same thing without the shield penalty. I tend to take rank 6a on passives because using tac cloak so much is going to give me really slow recharges.

[Balbock]

Scimitar is better than the Claymore. I base this on I can kill husks, swarmers, and abombs faster on bronze. I also have a lower CD.

 

I thought this was a thread where we threw **** against the wall? 

 

I tried my best to prove you wrong... It can't be possible that anything is better than the Claymore.

 

Hoever the facts speak for themself. You are right.

 

Here is the explicit prove: This Geth does 1231 damage with one scimitar shot while this Geth does only 1141 damage with one Claymore shot...

 

The builds aren't for anything made up just to fit for this special case. (as If anyone will believe this anyway ^^)

[Loufi]

I am not. 27-30 minutes is typical solo plat time for the best players. Don't think I ever seen less than 20 minutes, and I don't have a slightest idea how GT could do that, of all the characters much more powerful than him. Got a proof link?

 

More or less. Except I didn't consider geth scanner advantage at all (I don't like it, and I don't like HM overlay. It prevents me from seeing more than it helps see, except for solo situations); and I said Vorcha is more survivable even when GT has Cyclonics III - as long as Hunter Mode is enabled.

Yes, look at this thread, page 1 : http://forum.bioware...ame-management/

 

They are 2-3 sub-20 plat solos with the GT iirc. 0Nick2001 has a 16 minutes run on his channel but he didn't post it in the thread. 

[LuckyStarr]

IT IS LINKED IN THIS THREAD ALREADY!  *facedesk*

Thought I've seen it, but no, that's Psycho's non-solo. Don't see the link in question.

[NuclearTech76]

 

I tried my best to prove you wrong... It can't be possible that anything is better than the Claymore.

 

Hoever the facts speak for themself. You are right.

 

Here is the explicit prove: This Geth does 1231 damage with one scimitar shot while this Geth does only 1141 damage with one Claymore shot...

 

The builds aren't for anything made up just to fit for this special case. (as If anyone will believe this anyway ^^)

I mean you can't argue with science, even if it's 99.9% made up.

[RayD3MSoC]

More or less. Except I didn't consider geth scanner at all (I don't like it, and I don't like HM overlay. It prevents me from seeing more than it helps see, except for solo situations); and I said Vorcha is more survivable even when GT has Cyclonics III - as long as Hunter Mode is enabled. And yes, I was only talking Gold, not Platinum.

 

There is a reason why just about every gold solo speedrun or platinum solo uses the GS, unless they use grenades or have a way of seeing through walls already (HM).  In practice, information > cyclonics for survival and > power amps for damage.

 

I would have to say that with level 3 Cyclonics, no, your survivability is lower than the GT. With the GT you have a chance to deal with phantoms before getting floored, getting blindsided by a ravager won't kill you, a nemesis and another enemy shooting you at the same time won't instantly floor you, you will have a chance to get away when you realize a Cerberus Turret is ripping into you, you will have time to react before a Scion takes you out, and a Geth Prime stunlock is not a death sentence.  In short, you can survive the majority of the bs that doesn't usually give you a chance to react in this game.

 

I gather that you are basically saying you give your shields 0 time to regen.  In that situation, yes the Vorcha has more survivability because he is regenerating, but come on man, that means you are literally just standing in the open constantly!  You don't need to go that far to maintain your dps.  This playstyle leaves you pretty much always shield gated and in danger of being insta killed by any big damage that hits you.

 

I don't know, maybe you get away with this, but you would definitely not in a Plat solo, and this is why the GT has an easier time of it.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Video of what? Playing normally with Vorcha, scoring somewhere in the middle and not dying much? There are plenty of those vids on YT. Or failing horribly with GT? What would that prove? I don't get your logic.

So if you can't play these characters particularly effectively, why are you acting like the authority on Flamer kits when there are people who can play them better and insist the Geth Trooper is superior?