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#126
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Where is it said that they agreed to kill all organic races along with the Reapers? 

 

Uhh, do you not know the purpose of the Reapers or something, especially considering you stated their ultimate plan for both the quarians and the geth right there in the paragraph?

Analogy:If ally with and work for Islamic State, I am complicit in their goals regardless of if I agree with them. It doesn't matter what their offer to me was, from protection from Western influnces to a fiefdom in Northern Iraq, or even a mercenary offer of cash. The U.S and other Western powers will still shoot or arrest me on sight no matter my excuses because I agreed to help in carrying out their agenda.

As for the rest that I didn't quote, that wasn't the geth consensus making that decision, it was Legion, an independent unit of the geth. The rest agreed and were indeed doing nothing to contact Shepard and trying to "wipe out the quarians", its just that the quarians had avoided them up to that point.

 

As for why they didn't evacuate Rannoch, there's not really enough evidence to make a clear distinction if that was intended to be some kind of declaration of war. The quarians never attempted to communicate with the geth about it, and any reports they did receive about the quarian's status suggested they still had every intention to destroy every geth in the galaxy. Why give a potential enemy power if they intend to use it to destroy your own kind? At the very least, they could have still been trying to reach a consensus or holding out for the chance that the quarians would negotiate. The quarians launched a surprise attack on them without any prior communication, so we don't know what they would have done if the quarians attempted negotiation. Tali herself was the only one who tried, and that hit a blank wall as soon as the Admiralty had a hand in it.

The motives of the quarians are irrelevant to their situation. Once the quarians attacked, the geth had multiple means of avoiding extinction, the two most obviously better ones being a retreat or surrender to the quarians (yes, the possibility exists. Indeed, this is Admiral Xen's goal for agreeing to war in the first place). They chose the worst option, the single one that threatens every other sapient and advanced being in the galaxy. 

 

 

They couldn't just go anywhere. The Council still had laws against AIs. There would be a much larger war against them had they left "geth" space. Same reason why the quarians couldn't just let them go free when they first showed signs of sentience. The quarians created the geth in their territory, so by Council standards, they probably see the geth as having a right to remain there regardless if peace between the two races has been established. Negotiation was the best option aside from outright genocide. In their position, Rannoch/quarian space was the best place to achieve both.

They couldn't just go anywhere =/= they had nowhere to go. Going to Council space would obviously have been stupid, but there are plenty of unoccupied and unclaimed systems in the Terminus, which the Perseus Veil is in. Really, this highlights another couple of unbelievably stupid decisions by the geth such as 1) Maintaining control of quarian holdings that held no special value to them after the Morning War and bringing conflict on themselves for no logical reason and 2) building their Dyson Sphere right in the system that their mortal adversary is most likely to attack, but this is off topic. 
 

 

 

I think we still have different opinions on "corruption" too. I saw TIM as a tyrant, but his ideas to use Reaper tech wasn't unwarranted. Reaper tech is just that--technology. It's the AI (Catalyst) and their platform that determines how it's used. Additionally, it's not tech that the geth are using, it's coding. No external upgrades, no risk of indoctrinating organics. We've already seen in the consensus that the geth are capable of identifying Reaper viruses, and they can use that to their advantage. If the Reaper code functions by allowing the geth individual processes for each platform, there's no concerns of corrupt one = corrupt all. Post-upgrade, their platform is probably more secure than EDI.

You are free to have that opinion, my purpose was merely to highlight that the narrative forces Shepard to view TIM's purposes as evil and the geth's as good, despite being nearly identical. As for your other claims, coding is absolutely tech, it is just software rather than hardware. The geth were also specifically stated to be under the control of the reapers (Legion/ VI excluded). All else is headcanon

 

 

 

 

But really, if the main reason to destroy the geth is the fear of advanced technology (like EDI, the mass relays, the Citadel), then that's perfectly fine. The universe will function either way. I would see it as an opportunity to improve the way of living though. My optimal outcome is what occurs in-game after establishing peace: the quarians learn from the geth (though I don't think it would occur as easily as depicted, they should be appealing to the Council and working out the kinks), and their technology helps improve their ability to adapt. Species will go at it either way in the future, might as well reap the benefits while you have it.

 

Once again, an opinion you are entitled to, but somewhat irrelevant to our discussion. For perspective, I don't fear advanced technologies, I question why it is necessary for them to have their own free will to advance and serve to improve us. 


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#127
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Technological singularities are rarely fun for the organics involved. There should be no AIs. :)



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Technological singularities are rarely fun for the organics involved. There should be no AIs. :)

 

Depends on the author of the fairy tale. AI's in RL can actually be quite interesting if you accept them as what they are, a means to process information and not Pinocchios in search for identity.


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Depends on the author of the fairy tale. AI's in RL can actually be quite interesting if you accept them as what they are, a means to process information and not Pinocchios in search for identity.

 

Yeah, a great deal of actual AI researchers aren't even in the loony Kurzweil crowd.


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You can process information without making a sentient machine. :)