MIranda. Perfection, my butt. She looks like a half melted barbie with buck teeth, and her only role is to cause confrontations with everyone. Yet she wonders why nobody wants to follow her lead...
I'm sorry, I didn't know this was a beauty contest.
I'm pretty sure here she only has a confrontation with one person, and she's not the only character to do so.
As for why no one wants to follow her lead, I wager it's because they have irrational reasons for doing so.
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Even though I'm not the biggest fan, I can't think of a better overall second than Miranda.
As a leader herself though, I kind of wonder if she'd turn out like this:
I'm sorry, I didn't know this was a beauty contest.
I'm pretty sure here she only has a confrontation with one person, and she's not the only character to do so.
As for why no one wants to follow her lead, I wager it's because they have irrational reasons for doing so.
You should. Miranda herself and her father are the ones who specifically made it out to be a beauty contest. "Genetically engineered to perfection". Really? Good to know perfection is relative, apparently....
And no, the entire crew ranges from "Indifferent" to "outright hostile" but nobody is even so far as friendly with Miranda, due to her nasty holier-than-thou attitude. Usually caked by hypocrisy.
Also I think another reason nobody wants to follow her lead is because she overestimates herself. She always suggests HERSELF for a lead role, despite being surrounded by much more qualified specialists. If you actually let her take any of the roles, she always gets some, or everyone, killed.
Miranda serves best as a peripheral resource, but it is unwise to let her have any control.
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You should. Miranda herself and her father are the ones who specifically made it out to be a beauty contest. "Genetically engineered to perfection". Really? Good to know perfection is relative, apparently....
And no, the entire crew ranges from "Indifferent" to "outright hostile" but nobody is even so far as friendly with Miranda, due to her nasty holier-than-thou attitude. Usually caked by hypocrisy.
Also I think another reason nobody wants to follow her lead is because she overestimates herself. She always suggests HERSELF for a lead role, despite being surrounded by much more qualified specialists. If you actually let her take any of the roles, she always gets some, or everyone, killed.
Miranda serves best as a peripheral resource, but it is unwise to let her have any control.
She doesn't get anyone killed as a general squad/fire team leader. Only as the biotic specialist.
I'm not the biggest Miranda fan myself, but lets be fair here.
I think you're right about her relations with the crew though.
You should. Miranda herself and her father are the ones who specifically made it out to be a beauty contest. "Genetically engineered to perfection". Really? Good to know perfection is relative, apparently....
And no, the entire crew ranges from "Indifferent" to "outright hostile" but nobody is even so far as friendly with Miranda, due to her nasty holier-than-thou attitude. Usually caked by hypocrisy.
Also I think another reason nobody wants to follow her lead is because she overestimates herself. She always suggests HERSELF for a lead role, despite being surrounded by much more qualified specialists. If you actually let her take any of the roles, she always gets some, or everyone, killed.
Miranda serves best as a peripheral resource, but it is unwise to let her have any control.
Honestly, being friends with your charges is not important to the task of leading them. Ineffectual leaders can be well-liked, just as strong ones can be (and often are) considered jerks. All that is required, really, is belief (and, mutual interest in getting the job done). If your charges believe you will get results (and care about it), they will typically perform, whether they like it or not. If they see you as a liability, they will deviate, and/or loaf -- either thinking they know better, or that their efforts are futile.
Think about it: would you rather follow a jerk and succeed, or follow a buddy and fail? In the context of this mission, failure entails everybody's death (not just the team, but the human race). Your squad might not like Miranda, but it's not like they are not going to refuse to kill Collectors.
Your boss being friendly and likable is an ideal quality, but far from a necessary one.
You should. Miranda herself and her father are the ones who specifically made it out to be a beauty contest. "Genetically engineered to perfection". Really? Good to know perfection is relative, apparently....
And no, the entire crew ranges from "Indifferent" to "outright hostile" but nobody is even so far as friendly with Miranda, due to her nasty holier-than-thou attitude. Usually caked by hypocrisy.
Also I think another reason nobody wants to follow her lead is because she overestimates herself. She always suggests HERSELF for a lead role, despite being surrounded by much more qualified specialists. If you actually let her take any of the roles, she always gets some, or everyone, killed.
Miranda serves best as a peripheral resource, but it is unwise to let her have any control.
Probably. Granted, some people have higher tastes than others. What you do with dog legged women with three fingers is your own business. No ones judging. Really! Are we to assume that since MoCap/Scanning didn't come across all that well that Miranda is the way you think in-universe? Or that her actress and model is just as ugly in real life? If that's the case, then you're going to have to deny a lot of the lore of the universe for your own headcanon... which you already admitted too.
Which brings me to...
Sorry pal, what you're talking about isn't the game. It's your headcanon fantasy presented as Mass Effect.
Seems Jack is the only person who holds that view in ME2. No one else really makes their opinion known. Mordin admires her, Jacob respects her personally and professionally, Joker thinks she's overbearing, but then again, he's Joker (and it's her job). Garrus makes no real comment on her. Samara thinks she's a driven woman with her own burdens that she rightfully bears alone. Kasumi seems to like her, given her comments to Shepard should he be in a relationship with her. Thane holds no opinion. Neither does Grunt, Legion, or Zaeed. Tali doesn't voice her view until ME3, but given her emotional state and views, it wouldn't be surprising if she viewed Miranda as she does. Really, Jack's the only person in ME2 who has a problem with her. And it's not as though she isn't stirring the pot herself - she's the one who actively charged into Miranda's room looking for a fight.
As for the crew itself, almost all of them that speak mention her in a positive light, and are very respectful of her.
So... what were you lyin' about here? Because you're lyin'.
And overestimates herself? On what basis beyond personal dislike are you coming up with this? She's pretty frank about her abilities, and she's pretty blunt about her own failures and shortcomings. Sure, several members of the team express misgivings about her leading them, but are they any better? Does she lose anyone while she's in command of a team on the SM? As I recall, nobody dies with her around to lead. You seem to be mistaking Miranda for other characters who lose people when they're not loyal.
Or it's another lie. Which I'm willing to get behind here.
In conclusion?
Get real man. Your view is warped to the point where you're making a lame statement with no credibility, truth, or merit. Such a peripheral discussion post, to say the least.
She doesn't get anyone killed as a general squad/fire team leader. Only as the biotic specialist.
I'm not the biggest Miranda fan myself, but lets be fair here.
I think you're right about her relations with the crew though.
Ah okay I thought she always one of the "some losses" choices.
Honestly, being friends with your charges is not important to the task of leading them. Ineffectual leaders can be well-liked, just as strong ones can be (and often are) considered jerks. All that is required, really, is belief (and, mutual interest in getting the job done). If your charges believe you will get results (and care about it), they will typically perform, whether they like it or not. If they see you as a liability, they will deviate, and/or loaf -- either thinking they know better, or that their efforts are futile.
Think about it: would you rather follow a jerk and succeed, or follow a buddy and fail? In the context of this mission, failure entails everybody's death (not just the team, but the human race). Your squad might not like Miranda, but it's not like they are not going to refuse to kill Collectors.
Your boss being friendly and likable is an ideal quality, but far from a necessary one.
True, but why pick the lady who can lead but is unlikeable, over multiple other choices who are both good leaders AND likeable? That's more my point. She says "I should be the one to lead, because IM so flawless and amazing!" despite being surrounded by other crew members who are much more proficient than her, as well as more cooperative (giving and getting) with the rest of the crew.
Her supposed "perfection" is an informed trait at best, so she just comes across as stuck up, full of unwarranted arrogance despite being relatively useless. Shes terrible with people, and never really up to the tasks she advocates herself for. She just makes for a terrible team player overall, and functions better as a bureaucrat (her ship duties in me2) or a solo operative (ME3).
She and her bucktoothed botox face can go burn in a gutter as far as I'm concerned. Its no real loss. I wind up swapping her and jacob out for Kasumi and Zaeed almost immediately, then never see them again outside of mission briefings and loyalty missions.
actually these two strips sum up my feelings of her fairly well.
I seriously hate Miranda.
She doesn't get anyone killed as a general squad/fire team leader.
That's true if she's loyal. If she isn't loyal the one in the vent will die regardless if Tali/Legion/Kasumi are loyal
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I seriously hate Miranda.
You have to admit, it was a pretty stupid comment from Jacob. "So the guy who goes through is gonna die -- sign me up!!"
Yeah, not like you are needed to help shoot some targets or anything. Idiot.
Unless it was an acknowledgement that he is the least valuable combatant on the squad, in which case, good on him.
You have to admit, it was a pretty stupid comment from Jacob. "So the guy who goes through is gonna die -- sign me up!!"
Yeah, not like you are needed to help shoot some targets or anything. Idiot.
Unless it was an acknowledgement that he is the least valuable combatant on the squad, in which case, good on him.
I always read it as a display of bravado.
You have to admit, it was a pretty stupid comment from Jacob. "So the guy who goes through is gonna die -- sign me up!!"
Yeah, not like you are needed to help shoot some targets or anything. Idiot.
Unless it was an acknowledgement that he is the least valuable combatant on the squad, in which case, good on him.
I always read it as a display of bravado.
Yeah same.
Usually I delegate to Garrus and Tali for the team leads (Firesquad and vent duty, respectively). Everyone else is fodder.
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Usually I delegate to Garrus and Tali for the team leads (Firesquad and vent duty, respectively). Everyone else is fodder.
It's Jacob and Kasumi for me.
They're already fodder automatically in ME3. I don't need to add insult to injury and make them useless even in ME2 as well. I'll get enough Tali and Garrus later to make my eyes bleed.
It's Jacob and Kasumi for me.
They're already fodder automatically in ME3. I don't need to add insult to injury and make them useless even in ME2 as well. I'll get enough Tali and Garrus later to make my eyes bleed.
lol its habit for me. Garrus and Tali are my true squadmates throughout the whole trilogy. To me everyone else is filler till I regain them in each game.
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lol its habit for me. Garrus and Tali are my true squadmates throughout the whole trilogy. To me everyone else is filler till I regain them in each game.
I like them too, don't get me wrong. 
I just hate how the others were eventually handled. I still can't get over it. People complain about the ending debacle, but this is my thing. It's cheapened the series for me.
I like them too, don't get me wrong.
I dunno, it kinda made sense. The ME2 crew was mostly a bunch of notorious criminals, kinda made sense they would bail out once the Alliance reclaimed the Normandy lol. The rest had to go help their respective factions (Grunt, Mordin, Tali, Garrus), while those like Miranda, Jacob, Jack, Zaeed, Kasumi, etc were all outlaws so probably would be in major trouble. I do think they should have had shadow broker liara style temporary squadmate status for their respective mission lines though.
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I dunno, it kinda made sense. The ME2 crew was mostly a bunch of notorious criminals, kinda made sense they would bail out once the Alliance reclaimed the Normandy lol. The rest had to go help their respective factions (Grunt, Mordin, Tali, Garrus), while those like Miranda, Jacob, Jack, Zaeed, Kasumi, etc were all outlaws so probably would be in major trouble. I do think they should have had shadow broker liara style temporary squadmate status for their respective mission lines though.
That's not why a romanced Jack leaves at least. Shepard was railroaded into leaving her instead. And she still decided to remain connected to the Alliance. She said yes when the Alliance brass recruited her and works with Anderson's girlfriend.
Either way, no one buys these games just to get something completely disconnected. Having a "lack of content" is no fun at all. Everybody pays the same price, but all that happens in the end is favoritism and shouting down the developers until you get your way. Not what I expected out of a trilogy.
I've learned my lesson though. It seems that all you have to do is make a thread about "Tali Sweat" and Bioware will cater to you. Act like a normal human being and you're screwed out of a decent game experience. I'll remember that next time. 
I once participated in a month-long mass (heh) Mass Effect squadmates ranking topic with my buddies on GameFAQs. We all posted meaty write-ups of our thoughts on each character and the ten of us pooled our rankings into a points list to see where we all stood in one big average. It was really fun. I wrote essays worth. Alas, the topic purged. I don't feel like doing it again.
So instead, here's my top five:
1. EDI (come at me)
2. Mordin
3. Javik
4. Wrex
5. Legion
I seriously hate Miranda.
Then you have no opinion on her worth hearing. Jury's out about your opinion on anything else.
Her supposed "perfection" is an informed trait at best
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And this despite the fact the very first interactions with her are Miranda bringing back to life someone who had been spaced, fell into a planet and decomposed for two years, determining who has betrayed the Lazarus team and correctly identifying the creature on the security vids as a Collector despite them being the most secretive species in the Galaxy.
MIranda. Perfection, my butt. She looks like a half melted barbie with buck teeth, and her only role is to cause confrontations with everyone. Yet she wonders why nobody wants to follow her lead...
What exactly has she done to Garrus?
And yet, if Jack is dead, he says he doesn't trust her to lead the Fire Team.
Who is being confrontational again?
Then you have no opinion on her worth hearing. Jury's out about your opinion on anything else.
Considering that virtually everything he said is almost entirely untrue within the game as well, I second this.
Really, if we want, we can start badmouthing his beloved Tali and Garrus, and we can do it much more effectively.
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Considering that virtually everything he said is almost entirely untrue within the game as well, I second this.
Really, if we want, we can start badmouthing his beloved Tali and Garrus, and we can do it much more effectively.
You can do that. I still like Tali and Garrus. I only badmouth their sudden importance in ME3. I liked these games when they were for everyone, and about a big team. Not fan politics.
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Nah, it's not meant for you bro.
You're too meta to be a dick.
That's not why a romanced Jack leaves at least. Shepard was railroaded into leaving her instead. And she still decided to remain connected to the Alliance. She said yes when the Alliance brass recruited her and works with Anderson's girlfriend.
Either way, no one buys these games just to get something completely disconnected. Having a "lack of content" is no fun at all. Everybody pays the same price, but all that happens in the end is favoritism and shouting down the developers until you get your way. Not what I expected out of a trilogy.
I've learned my lesson though. It seems that all you have to do is make a thread about "Tali Sweat" and Bioware will cater to you. Act like a normal human being and you're screwed out of a decent game experience. I'll remember that next time.
Oh yeah no I agree its dumb that most of the crew aside from Tali and Garrus got shafted in ME2 and ME3, I'm just saying that at least with the ME2, it makes a bit of sense in ME3 that they (literally) jumped ship in most cases, considering the ME2 crew was cerberus, criminals, and mercs, for the most part.
On Tali.....I think the huge fanbase (aside from the obvious adorableness) is a combination of a) The other females are just so off putting (Racist, or just plain (female dog)-y all around, that Tali looks like a saint by comparison. I do wish Kelly Chambers had made a proper return in ME3 though 
I liked her!
Considering that virtually everything he said is almost entirely untrue within the game as well, I second this.
Really, if we want, we can start badmouthing his beloved Tali and Garrus, and we can do it much more effectively.
lol you probably wouldn't be saying anything bad about them that I don't say myself, so feel free to shoot. Moment I saw you use the idiotic term "headcanon" i knew you were just one to ignore, so do whatever ya want.
And this despite the fact the very first interactions with her are Miranda bringing back to life someone who had been spaced, fell into a planet and decomposed for two years, determining who has betrayed the Lazarus team and correctly identifying the creature on the security vids as a Collector despite them being the most secretive species in the Galaxy.
What exactly has she done to Garrus?
And yet, if Jack is dead, he says he doesn't trust her to lead the Fire Team.
Who is being confrontational again?
To be fair, its not "Miranda brought him back to life" its "Miranda was the project lead of the Lazarus Cell".
She didn't even like it or want to do it, she was just following orders. remember, she said it herself, if it were up to her, she would have just enslaved Shepards corpse, turning them into a drone, rather than reviving them outright. So the first things she does when you meet her is shoot a suspect without confirmation or explaining herself, tell shepard outright that she doesn't like having control taken away from her, would rather have shepard on a leash, and the rest of the game is her generally being a <expletive> while trying to boss everyone around, regardless of situation.
But seriously, why did Miranda's dad or cerberus not think that PEOPLE SKILLS factored into "the perfect person"?
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