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Oh yeah no I agree its dumb that most of the crew aside from Tali and Garrus got shafted in ME2 and ME3, I'm just saying that at least with the ME2, it makes a bit of sense in ME3 that they (literally) jumped ship in most cases, considering the ME2 crew was cerberus, criminals, and mercs, for the most part.

 

On Tali.....I think the huge fanbase (aside from the obvious adorableness) is a combination of a) The other females are just so off putting (Racist, or just plain (female dog)-y all around, that Tali looks like a saint by comparison.  I do wish Kelly Chambers had made a proper return in ME3 though :( I liked her!

 

 

I don't know if she has a huge fanbase or not. She has a loud one... who seem to want to drink her bodily fluids.  :unsure: The rest of us can be fans, but not at the expense of our dignity.

 

I think your assessment of the other characters is off.. If Yvonne Strahvhski is a dog (or Candice Neil..who apparently did Jack), then I don't know what to say. By "racist", I assume you mean Ashley. I think she's more complicated than that. And even if she was racist, she's pretty much not even the same by ME3, and more like a female Kaidan. And it's probably for the worse actually. I liked her better when she pushed people's buttons.


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lol you probably wouldn't be saying anything bad about them that I don't say myself, so feel free to shoot.  Moment I saw you use the idiotic term "headcanon" i knew you were just one to ignore, so do whatever ya want.

 

Then you'd know that your idea behind the other characters, especially Miranda, is way off, compared to the flaws and shortcomings of Tali and Garrus.

 

Idiotic term though it may be, you're the one using it. What else could I call the blatant falsity of your interpretation and statement of Miranda's characterization? Apparently the idiocy is more reaching, as it extends to your poor grammar as well. 



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I don't know if she has a huge fanbase or not. She has a loud one... who seem to want to drink her bodily fluids.  :unsure:

 

I think your assessment of the other characters is off.. If Yvonne Strahvhski is a dog (or Candice Neil..who apparently did Jack), then I don't know what to say. By "racist", I assume you mean Ashley. I think she's more complicated than that. And even if she was racist, she's pretty much not even the same by ME3, and more like a female Kaidan.

Wouldn't know, I always nuked Ashley lol.  Gonna let her live with my new renegade femshep though mostly to avoid accidently romancing Kaiden, so I'll see more of her.

 

I don't care about their voice acting, I'm just saying that you put a lineup of women, 4 of them are...cantankerous, to say the least. and otherwise unsociable, but then the 5th is perky and chipper, most will go for the 5th.  Yes there's freudian excuses for each lady but first impressions count.  And I never got the appeal of Liara.  I don't like ill tempered folks or stoners (which Liara's spacey way of talking always reminded me of)

 

As for more attractive, I like hips and ass  :wub:  So yes I find Tali the cutest despite the mask.

 

Though out of the human characters, I actually found Kelly Chambers the most attractive, despite having an NPC design.  Was irritated  at ME3 for reducing her to not just a cameo, but making me get her killed or wipe her from existence entirely.

 

Ashley, and Miranda are outright rude, so that's why I don't like them. Jack at least is more understand but I'm still fine with just leaving her below deck, never to see the light of day.  Liara is too spacey for my tastes, and only Ashley is actually useful in a fight (biotics are flashy but get in the way more than they help).

 

So at least, that's my reasoning for liking Tali over the others.  Its less "Tali is amazing" and more "holy crap these others suck".

 

The guys...Thane and Jacob are just so....bland.  I can see them as eyecandy for the ladies, but as a guy, I see them as nigh useless.  Grunt and Wrex are funny tanks, and Legion is my replacement for the nuking Garrus from ME1 (I admit Garrus sucks as an actual squadmate in ME2 and ME3).  But to me, Garrus and Tali have the best dialogue, especially considering the familiarity.

 

Zaeed and Kasumi are outright hilarious though lol.  And absolute BEASTS.

 

 

Then you'd know that your idea behind the other characters, especially Miranda, is way off, compared to the flaws and shortcomings of Tali and Garrus.

 

Idiotic term though it may be, you're the one using it. What else could I call the blatant falsity of your interpretation and statement of Miranda's characterization? Apparently the idiocy is more reaching, as it extends to your poor grammar as well. 

You do understand that you wind up looking dumb, rather than smart when you use overly technical words like that right? The reason why I use "poor grammar" is to be more realistic.  I'm a little country so I say "ya" instead of "you" in real life, so I see it as more practical to type the way I talk.  Your post on the other hand....nobody talks like that, so you wind up looking like an unintelligent individual trying to use words they've only read in an attempt to sound smart, which only emphasizes that you're trying too hard.

 

You'll come across as more intelligent when you talk normally, just a heads up.

 

 

Anyways, my point was just that I can recognize my favorite characters' flaws.  Can you?  Miranda is far from perfect, and mostly just a useless and obnoxious control freak.  Which is why I rank her very poorly overall.  She may not be openly hostile to everyone, but she's certainly not friendly to anyone, dipping into snide and/or racist remarks to almost everyone.

 

 

I fully admit her attitude towards Tali in the opening mission made me hate her.  Not even just because I like Tali, but cmon, how rude, and more importantly, STUPID is it to accuse the known wanderers of not needing to be in the loop/shouldn't be there anyway, when you are a known terrorist, in a situation where everyones gone missing? Even Jacob points out its a better idea to work together.  Then Miranda immediately tries to screw them over anyway.

 

 

I hate how she's (self) promoted as genetically engineered "perfection" yet falls short in almost every aspect.  Not particularly attractive, biotic powers are "meh" at best, poor leadership skills, (She's management material, not leadership material), rude to almost everyone she interacts with, etc, etc.



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Wouldn't know, I always nuked Ashley lol.  Gonna let her live with my new renegade femshep though mostly to avoid accidently romancing Kaiden, so I'll see more of her.

 

I don't care about their voice acting, I'm just saying that you put a lineup of women, 4 of them are...cantankerous, to say the least. and otherwise unsociable, but then the 5th is perky and chipper, most will go for the 5th.  Yes there's freudian excuses for each lady but first impressions count.  And I never got the appeal of Liara.  I don't like ill tempered folks or stoners (which Liara's spacey way of talking always reminded me of)

 

As for more attractive, I like hips and ass  :wub:  So yes I find Tali the cutest despite the mask.

 

Though out of the human characters, I actually found Kelly Chambers the most attractive, despite having an NPC design.  Was irritated  at ME3 for reducing her to not just a cameo, but making me get her killed or wipe her from existence entirely.

 

Ashley, and Miranda are outright rude, so that's why I don't like them. Jack at least is more understand but I'm still fine with just leaving her below deck, never to see the light of day.  Liara is too spacey for my tastes, and only Ashley is actually useful in a fight (biotics are flashy but get in the way more than they help).

 

So at least, that's my reasoning for liking Tali over the others.  Its less "Tali is amazing" and more "holy crap these others suck".

 

The guys...Thane and Jacob are just so....bland.  I can see them as eyecandy for the ladies, but as a guy, I see them as nigh useless.  Grunt and Wrex are funny tanks, and Legion is my replacement for the nuking Garrus from ME1 (I admit Garrus sucks as an actual squadmate in ME2 and ME3).  But to me, Garrus and Tali have the best dialogue, especially considering the familiarity.

 

Zaeed and Kasumi are outright hilarious though lol.  And absolute BEASTS.

 

Biotics aren't useful?

 

I was on the brink of trying to understand you, but I give up now. :D Actually, I'll give you a suggestion: Pull field/radius pull or singularity. They're never not useful.

 

As for Garrus, I think he's very useful in 3 (more than 2), but he talks too much now...and thinks we're bros. I liked him better when he stood around and calibrated.



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You do understand that you wind up looking dumb, rather than smart when you use overly technical words like that right? 

 

The reason why I use "poor grammar" is to be more realistic.  I'm a little country so I say "ya" instead of "you" in real life, so I see it as more practical to type the way I talk.  

 

I don't think I've ever been called stupid for using proper grammar before. I didn't know it could be done. I didn't know people actually felt that way about proper grammar. 

 

I'm surprised my worldview is being so validated at the moment.



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So much is explained here. This explains the case of how intelligence is seen as stupidity.

 

I don't think I've ever been called stupid for using proper grammar before. I didn't know it could be done. I didn't know people actually felt that way about proper grammar. 

 

I'm surprised my worldview is being so validated at the moment.

 Whatever floats your boat.  I've always known the difference between formal and casual vocabulary, and when and where to apply the difference, but it's obvious now that you don't.

 

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 I'm a little country so I say "ya" instead of "you" in real life, so I see it as more practical to type the way I talk. 

I... honestly still don't know what I just read.

 

I feel my life literally wasting away just thinking about it so I'll just leave this here:

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=SOC3eYcdMpY



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 Whatever floats your boat.  I've always known the difference between formal and casual vocabulary, and when and where to apply the difference, but it's obvious now that you don't.

 

It's mostly just telling that you switched your vocabulary into overdrive after trying to cite my "poor grammar" in an attempt to look better.  It's like when a little kid learns a big word for the first time and keeps using it even when there's simpler terms for the same thing.

 

 

Regardless, going back to ignoring you unless you have something relevant to say or discuss.

 

Nah, I think I'll just report 'ya'.



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Anyways, my point was just that I can recognize my favorite characters' flaws.  Can you?  Miranda is far from perfect, and mostly just a useless and obnoxious control freak.  Which is why I rank her very poorly overall.  She may not be openly hostile to everyone, but she's certainly not friendly to anyone, dipping into snide and/or racist remarks to almost everyone.

 

 

Oh yes, I can. I don't think you can, given that you have yet to perform an actual demonstration of Tali's shortcomings. 

 

Otherwise, this point is invalid. On radical levels. Miranda is far from perfect. She admits this herself. No sensible human being would admit that they're flawless or perfect. The fact that you're ascribing this to Miranda shows that you weren't comprehending her statements about herself and her upbringing. I guess we know where the intellectual deficits lie now. 

 

There's a long bridge between acknowledging Miranda's actual flaws, and seeing her (objectively) as a useless, obnoxious control freak. You seem to be of the opinion that she is this on an objective level, and that any actual refutation or dissension of this is denial and stupidity on the part of the opposing poster.

 

And she is rather friendly, if you bother to try being her friend. Snark and dry humor (the 'snide' that you see) is typically seen as a more intellectual form of humor. I won't hold it against you for not quite grasping the humor then. As for racism, you're just plain dead wrong there. Miranda never gives any indication whatsoever to racist ideology or beliefs. If you're running out of things to use against her that can't be disputed, I suggest you not start resorting to creating accusations and false statements.

 

I fully admit her attitude towards Tali in the opening mission made me hate her.  Not even just because I like Tali, but cmon, how rude, and more importantly, STUPID is it to accuse the known wanderers of not needing to be in the loop/shouldn't be there anyway, when you are a known terrorist, in a situation where everyones gone missing? Even Jacob points out its a better idea to work together.  Then Miranda immediately tries to screw them over anyway.

 

Your entire justification here is that Tali is involved. That's about the only reason I can think that you're holding this against her - Because 'Tali was against her!' To be frank, the Quarians had no real right to be on Freedom's Progress, nor did they have any need to be in the loop on what was going on. Why? Because we didn't know who was behind the attacks. For all you know, the Quarians were behind the abductions. 

 

Jacob is pointing out the idea of cooperation, not in defiance of Miranda, but in support of Shepard. Miranda never objects, nor disputes this. 

 

And Miranda tries to screw the Quarians? How? She does absolutely nothing. Are you that conscientiously blind as to hold other peoples mistakes against her (like the Quarians)? How irrational. I imagine the Reapers are her fault in your eyes. That's the level of delusion that you've entertained here.

 

I hate how she's (self) promoted as genetically engineered "perfection" yet falls short in almost every aspect.  Not particularly attractive, biotic powers are "meh" at best, poor leadership skills, (She's management material, not leadership material), rude to almost everyone she interacts with, etc, etc.

 

 

She's not 'self-promoting', she's stating her origin and the intent behind it (which is beyond her control). She doesn't agree with it, simply states that her father was an arrogant cad who wanted to have the perfect legacy. 

 

'Not particularly attractive' - In universe this is completely untrue, and out of it subjective and not reliant on in-game belief.

 

'biotic powers are "meh"' - In universe, this is again untrue. Out of universe, she's designed to be a defender and armor destroyer in gameplay. Do not interject gameplay mechanics as justification for outlandish and unjustified personal opinion.

 

'poor leadership skills' - Again, in universe, she is regarded as an exceptional leader who the crew of the Normandy look up to. Sans a very biased perspective from Jack, this is demonstrated with the team as well. In-game, this is justified as she loses no member of the crew, and in ME3, she is regarded to be in charge of her own team of operatives after Sanctuary and using them to strike Cerberus installations. And as an Army Leader myself, I can honestly say that she doesn't display any real negative traits in leadership from what we see of her. She's follows routines that are practical, rational, reasonable, and feasible. 

 

Lastly 'rude to almost everyone she interacts with' - I believe you mistake rudeness for bluntness. And you also see her interact with how many people? Is everything she says rude? Does she have any ability or right to defend herself whatsoever from others' attacks on her? I think you're more or less unqualified to make a statement on a character, given the obvious bias and negative presentation that is utterly disreputable to a character.

 

To take an old page, it's "headcanon". That's all it is. That's all you can do here. Make up things and complain about them.

 

How Davidian.



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By the end, I actually see Miranda and the Ascension program having more in common than not (but I like Jack and Miranda's rivalry. I don't want them to get along completely. That's no fun). She wants to promote human endeavor in a sane way, and is not at all on board with TIM's vision. She wasn't even on board in the Suicide mission, once she had concerns about the Collector base decision. She's not the type to use human victims to "promote" humanity. If she's attacking Cerberus in ME3, I imagine she's protecting a lot of colonists... rather than using them in self-defeating experiments. I believe her when she says she just wanted the human equivalent of Asari Commandoes or STG. And she's not a racist.. she says herself she doesn't like how people join Cerberus out of xenophobia.

 

She doesn't have the greatest interpersonal skills, but neither does my Shepard... or Joker...or Jack.. or Grunt.... 

 

Mostly though, I have a soft spot for her because she's integral to ME2.. and ME2 fans in general got screwed. It's sad when the Jack fan defends Miranda. You know something is wrong then....  :D


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Otherwise, this point is invalid. On radical levels. Miranda is far from perfect. She admits this herself. No sensible human being would admit that their flawless or perfect. The fact that you're ascribing this to Miranda shows that you weren't comprehending her statements about herself and her upbringing. I guess we know where the intellectual deficits lie now. 

 

Agreed

Miranda uses and abuses the word "perfect" but I don't think she ever uses it to describe herself. I think only two characters describe or suggest that Miranda is perfect. One is Shepard where he can say "Sounds like you were designed to be perfect" and Miranda is the first to say that she is not. The other one is Liara in LOTSB, if Shepard is with Miranda she will say something about the "perfect Miss Lawson" during the cabin meeting.



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When she died on me, that was one of her lines in Shep's nightmares... it's really sad, more than when she originally said it.



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Love:

Liara - I loved her from the beginning, she is so beautiful and has the best romance. asdfghjkl

Samara - A mysterious and attractive older lady. She's hard to get to understand, but I have a soft spot for the asari.

Jack - I admire her strength. Not many people could go through what she has. Even less could pull themselves out of such a dark place and work to make the most of what they have.

 

Like (in no particular order):

Garrus - I would like him more if he said anything other than "calibrations" every time I try to talk to him. He's a cool guy overall, however. My bro.

Tali - She's very sweet and cute. I haven't romanced her yet, wish she was available for femshep. I will probably like her better after experiencing more of her character through romance.

Legion - Such a unique character. "Keelah se'lai" just killed my heart. And the robot dance.

Mordin - He's adorable

Samantha - Surprisingly well-developed for being introduced so late in the series. I am enjoying her romance a lot so far.

Steve - Just a cool guy

Thane - He's brave and kind at heart, despite what he used to do.

Wrex - How can you not like Wrex?

Grunt - HEH HEH HEH

EDI - She's very funny. Her relationship with Joker is a bit strange though.

 

No strong opinion either way:

Ashley - Her racism is a bit bleh, but she gets better near the end I think. She's kinda funny too I guess.

Kaidan - Thought he was a really nice guy in ME1, then ME2 happened. His opposition to Shepard is slightly more annoying than Ashley's. Glad he's an option for maleshep, it fits.

 

Dislike:

Jacob - Nothing can redeem him from what he does to femshep in ME3 if romanced. Just no. Screw you Jacob. He's an alright guy otherwise, but come on.

Miranda - She comes off as selfish. "My sister." "My father." "I'm perfect." "By the way, my sister."

James - He's just rude and chummy

Zaeed - He's not a nice man at all

Kasumi - "Keijikeijikeijikeijijacobkeijistealing"

Javik - He is funny, but his constant putting down of other crew members just gets old.

Joker - Just stop whining. He has his moments, but he's just whiny.

 

I don't really hate anyone.


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Samantha - Surprisingly well-developed for being introduced so late in the series. I am enjoying her romance a lot so far.

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You do understand that you wind up looking dumb, rather than smart when you use overly technical words like that right?

 

There's no such thing as "overly technical" That's not how those 2 adjectives work.

 

The reason why I use "poor grammar" is to be more realistic.

 

Using proper grammar is unrealistic now? What?

 

I'm a little country

 

Short and stout?

 

Your post on the other hand....nobody talks like that, so you wind up looking like an unintelligent individual trying to use words they've only read in an attempt to sound smart, which only emphasizes that you're trying too hard.

 

I can think of plenty of people who speak intelligently. Granted, none of them are idiots, but they're out there.

 

You'll come across as more intelligent when you talk normally, just a heads up.

 

As opposed to talking abnormally? What, like with a series of tongue clicks or finger tapping?



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 Just a general comment on this topic...

 

 

Your spelling and grammar on the internet is your clothes. It is how you present yourself and how you will be judged.


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 Just a general comment on this topic...

 

 

Your spelling and grammar on the internet is your clothes. It is how you present yourself and how you will be judged.

 

And I prefer to look fine and well. Like my Scotch. 


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And I prefer to look fine and well. Like my Scotch.


I prefer to drink my scotch instead of look at it.

(reads thread)

Well, this one turned special, didn't it?

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You don't just drink Scotch.

 

Fail man. Just a fail. Balvenie is disappointed in you.



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You don't just drink Scotch.


You don't just sit there and look at it, either.
 

Fail man. Just a fail. Balvenie is disappointed in you.


B and many others are perfectly content with me, sir.

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You don't just sit there and look at it, either.
 

B and many others are perfectly content with me, sir.

 

No, you savor it and sip it, and gulp it when it's done. Don't know what you're alluding to dear boy.

 

B certainly doesn't lie content. He wants to be satisfied and challenged. You can be content if you like. B likes the edge.



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I thought you were supposed to pour it on Cheerios.....

 

 

*Actually, my dad had a friend who drank Scotch first thing in the morning. He's not alive anymore, of course....


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Nah, just a cockfight.

 

Scotch is to be savored. I've no doubt Dream does that on some level. 

 

I jest of course.



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I do, though I'm more of a wine person nowadays. Hard liquor's a little much for my system, but I do enjoy a few fingers of Macallan and others every once in a while.

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the sophisticaton is overwelming