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[God]

Bah. I renounce you, false god.

 

Kasumi's potential is one of the highest of any squadmate, especially given she's DLC. She's fun without being cheesy, she's mysterious without being undeveloped and she has the best (or at least the most entertaining) powers in the series. She may be classed as a thief by virtue of her stealing things but she's actually a goddamn ninja Robin Hood.

 

Forget the complete shitpile that is her appearance in ME3. She was ruined worse than Miranda and even Morinth the banshee got a bigger break as you're free to imagine her doing whatever you want before Earth. But go back to ME2. Kasumi is the only squadmate I instantly feel a connection to. Her simple click to talk observations are more interesting than half the full squad dialogue wheel convos in ME2. She provides one of the only two (three with Citadel I suppose) missions where my infiltrator can live up to his name. And until ME3 stomped it into the ground, **** on it, lit it on fire and pissed out the remains she felt like my Shepard's right hand, a close friend and yes, even potential romantic interest. Though I didn't acknowledge it at the time, I would very much take Kasumi as my LI, maybe even over Miranda.

 

See I don't feel that ME3 had a character to ruin for her.

 

I don't see any potential for her. To be frank, I'm surprised she got as much content as she did. I don't think she's cheesy, but she's not funny. She's not that mysterious or cool, and she's really not that well developed. As for her powers, I completely never used them at all. They were ok, nothing special. I don't really see her as a ninja robin hood. Skilled at what she does yes, but why do you need a thief on a suicide mission?

 

She was the definition for tertiary character to me, a hired gun that, while friendly, wasn't particularly interesting. I'm not saying this to diss her. I'm saying she's even more forgettable to me than other characters, like Jacob. I have the most neutral opinion of her. She's just there. Beyond her loyalty mission (which I would have enjoyed without her presence just as much), there's nothing to her that stands out at all.

[CrutchCricket]

Skilled at what she does yes, but why do you need a thief on a suicide mission?

You don't need a thief per se but you do need a skilled infiltration and tech expert. And lore-wise she's your only guaranteed one when you start out. Tali said she can't join you until her mission's done and who knows when that will be and you don't have a clue about Legion and even when you do, it's a heavy risk activating it. By contrast, Kasumi's dossier comes in immediately and her loyalty missions's a stone's throw from where you recruit her, which is also on your way. From first contact to loyal follower within maybe a week or two from starting out? Not bad in my books.

 

I might guess her thief motif (lol) came about more because we already had an assassin, rather than being a necessary part of the character. Her skills and resources are certainly not that of your average bank heist goon. But anyway. All I can say is you're totally missing out. Kasumi is (one of) the best squadmates. But not the most famous.

 

I'm not saying this to diss her.

No, I suspect your motives are more reaction-seeking in nature. I know your tricks, Dewey.

[Vazgen]

Because most of what I praised her for is gone, and Bioware took precisely one note from her character and hammered it till it broke the whole damn orchestra. Since I've ranted about this recently, I'll just copy that post:

 

-Kasumi was the only squadmate to just outright refuse to join you. Not "I'm busy doing something else" or "I could be of better use elsewhere" just straight up "I don't want to." Even Zaeed the amoral mercenary with the same DLC status as her had better reasons and reactions.

-never mind romance potential, the aforementioned refusal coupled with the way the lines were delivered makes it sound like she actually resents Shepard for ME2. It's the opposite of Liara. Her you can't get rid of. Kasumi you can't be friends with.

-the damnable graybox. ~2 years later and she still can't get over her dead boyfriend to the point where if you kept it she would rather spend her last days plugged into it as opposed to doing anything useful. And even if you destroy it the epilogue slide is still her alone staring at it. Admittedly what she's holding doesn't look like the graybox we saw in ME2 but the tone of the image is anything but moving on. The story is literally unwinnable for her.

-the synthesis slide. I joke about wanting to vomit at the thought of synthesis. That slide actually makes me reach for the Pepto Bismol.

 

Even in Citadel, the fanservice DLC, every character gets some nice quality time with Shepard and at the party. Kasumi on the other hand seems incapable of being a real person and is reduced to pop-up and underwear fetish jokes. I'm probably one of the most politically incorrect people I know but damn, that's racist. They might as well have had Jacob eating fried chicken.

I thought her refusal was quite to the point. She's not a soldier, you want to recruit her and shove into combat situations (which is pretty much what Shepard does though the entire game)? I didn't use her in ME2 combat missions for that very reason.

I felt her lines to be quite friendly. I didn't get an impression that she resents Shepard for ME2 (although she has the reasons to do that). I never viewed her as a possible romance option (OK, I lie, I did but that quickly went away after I learned about Keiji).

I always thought she just reads a book (a future equivalent of Amazon Kindle) in that slide. Synthesis makes everything gross, I won't even say anything about it

I actually didn't see her content in Citadel DLC. Of course, considering butchering of other squadmates in that DLC (drunkard Ashley and Tali, sex-addicted Jack...) I'm prepared

[Vazgen]

She's just highly sexual. It's not sex addiction if people are an actual couple. She had more unproductive habits in ME2 (as Kelly advises you about.. warning you not to take the one night stand route).

 

 

And it's especially normal if it's shore leave and they're in the military, away from each other for months.

The thing is that Jack's views on sex were different in ME2. She doesn't think much about it without any romantic attachment, but if romanced she views it quite seriously. That's the impression I got from ME2.

And then she's making out on a table with other crew members still awake. I still romance her every time though. 

[CrutchCricket]

I thought her refusal was quite to the point. She's not a soldier, you want to recruit her and shove into combat situations (which is pretty much what Shepard does though the entire game)? I didn't use her in ME2 combat missions for that very reason.

I felt her lines to be quite friendly. I didn't get an impression that she resents Shepard for ME2 (although she has the reasons to do that). I never viewed her as a possible romance option (OK, I lie, I did but that quickly went away after I learned about Keiji).

I always thought she just reads a book (a future equivalent of Amazon Kindle) in that slide. Synthesis makes everything gross, I won't even say anything about it

I actually didn't see her content in Citadel DLC. Of course, considering butchering of other squadmates in that DLC (drunkard Ashley and Tali, sex-addicted Jack...) I'm prepared

Err... sorry but no. I call shenaningans. First off, a list of squadmates who are not soldiers yet buck up and do what needs to be done:

-Liara(!!!!)

-Tali

-Thane (a more violent profession but Shepard's way is definitely not his. Terminally ill to boot but he joins despite this in ME2 and still "comes out of retirement" at the right moment in ME3 despite being even more doomed)

 

This argument hold even less water when you're facing a galactic extinction event and your opponents are the size of (goddamn) skyscrapers, thus effectively making the soldier distinction moot. The resentment is also out of place and unwelcome. Shepard didn't drag her into anything. She signed up for it and stayed on. Did the words "suicide mission" mean something different to her? If TIM lied when he made the offer, fine, but did she have to stick around? I don't recall putting a slave collar on her. We made port countless times between Horizon, the Collector ship attack and the final mission. She could've skipped out at any moment. If it was an unloyal dialog variation I might buy it. But that it's the default is galling to no end and I'm sorry, complete bullshit. Hell even exiled Tali isn't resentful and she has way more reason to be.

 

I've speculated before that maybe resentment wasn't what they were going for, necessarily. Perhaps they used the wrong take of the voice recording. The same lines said in Kasumi's usual playful tone might've passes as a joke and all would be well. But the way it is now is atrocious. To reiterate, I understand her talents are better used in procurement. I don't mind where she ends up one bit. It's how that comes about. If she had delivered the lines jokingly, or suggested she steal stuff from the crucible from the start, I'd be smiling. But not this "**** off I don't want to" nonsense.

 

In Citadel when you meet her in the casino she says that "infiltrating Cerberus and Reaper-held locations is fun! But I'm a thief, this is who I am". That's perfect- that is exactly what I wanted to hear. She has a good heart. And a history of using her talents to help people because it's the right thing to do. But stealing is still her life. If only that had taken the place of her main game dialog.

 

Then the party comes and she sniffing around in Shepard's underwear drawer. Literally, I kid you not. 

 

Hmm I never thought of the book idea. If that was really it, I'd love it. It'd be a clever nod to her room in ME2 (she has physical books) "Don't laugh, I like those books". I'm grinning just thinking about it. Thank you for that.

[Quarian Master Race]

I actually didn't see her content in Citadel DLC. Of course, considering butchering of other squadmates in that DLC (drunkard Ashley and Tali, sex-addicted Jack...) I'm prepared

Why do you think this? I thought it was very much in character for both of them given their somewhat impulsive nature. Besides, their affinity for hitting the sauce was established before any DLC.

I'm particularly perplexed by the "rainbows and butterflies" opinion so many people have of Tali when it is not at all how she is characterized (maybe it's the voice). She's a tough, hotheaded and savvy kid. Meanwhile, Ashley is a foul mouthed hardass grunt. Really, the two characters have a lot of similarities in the way they act in addition to the drinking.

 

Err... sorry but no. I call shenaningans. First off, a list of squadmates who are not soldiers yet buck up and do what needs to be done:

-Liara(!!!!)

-Tali

-Thane (a more violent profession but Shepard's way is definitely not his. Terminally ill to boot but he joins despite this in ME2 and still "comes out of retirement" at the right moment in ME3 despite being even more doomed)

Not true. Though it isn't really elaborated on how she fits into the quarian military, she is confirmed to be in dialogue (don't take the interrupt when encountering her father's body during loyalty mission) and is described as a combat engineer in certain places in the lore. Also, by ME3, she can be a member of the Admiralty Board, which is unquestionably a military body.

Also, there are more than that. In fact, several members of the ME2 squad have no military training and none of them besides perhaps Tali (Dr. Chakwas is on leave as well but not really a "squadmate") are currently in a formal military. In ME1, the only active military squadmates are the two VS (Wrex is a Merc, Liara an Archeologist, Tali away from fleet duties on Pilgrimage and Garrus is former military, not being reinstated until ME3).
 

[TheN7Penguin]

------------------------------------------------------- Like very much.

1) Tali.

2) Garrus.

3) Joker.

4) Legion.

------------------------------------------------------- Like very much.

------------------------------------------------------- Like.

5) Wrex.

6) Grunt.

7) Mordin.

8) Javik.

9) Jack.

------------------------------------------------------- Like.

-------------------------------------------------------- Okay.

10) Zaeed.

11) Thane.

12) Miranda.

13) Kasumi.

-------------------------------------------------------- Okay.

--------------------------------------------------------- Dislike

14) Jacob.

15) James.

16) Traynor..

17) Samara.

18) Kelly.

19) EDI.

--------------------------------------------------------- Dislike.

--------------------------------------------------------- Despise.

20) Ashley.

21) Liara.

22) Kaidan.

--------------------------------------------------------- Despise.

[Livi14]

1) Liara
2) Wrex
3) Mordin
4) Legion
5) Samara
6) Garrus
7) Grunt
8) Jack
9) James
10)EDI
11)Zaeed
12)Kasumi
13)Miranda
14)Ashley
15)Jacob
16)Javik
17)Thane
18)Kaidan
19)Tali

[CrutchCricket]

Not true. Though it isn't really elaborated on how she fits into the quarian military, she is confirmed to be in dialogue (don't take the interrupt when encountering her father's body during loyalty mission) and is described as a combat engineer in certain places in the lore. Also, by ME3, she can be a member of the Admiralty Board, which is unquestionably a military body.

Not in ME1 she isn't. I'm talking first appearance on the squad. She's a kid then and while the Pilgrimage is supposed to be a "fend for yourself" right of passage, fend for yourself does not mean "hop into active war zones". She really shouldn't be anywhere near a battlefield. Either back to her Pilgrimage or engineer duties on the Normandy. Yet she doesn't whine about it later. That was my point.
 

Also, there are more than that. In fact, several members of the ME2 squad have no military training and none of them besides perhaps Tali (Dr. Chakwas is on leave as well but not really a "squadmate") are currently in a formal military. In ME1, the only active military squadmates are the two VS (Wrex is a Merc, Liara an Archeologist, Tali away from fleet duties on Pilgrimage and Garrus is former military, not being reinstated until ME3).

Specifically having military training isn't important. I think combat training or specifically being equipped to be a combatant is more of what we're getting at. And most squadmates do. The ones I listed however do not. And yet only one of them whines about it. That's what I think is unjustified. If Tali and Liara can suck it up and become badasses in their own right (some more believable than others), if Thane can suck it up from his deathbed, then Kasumi should too. Particularly when Kasumi as is would be far superior in combat to Liara and Tali when they started out. And she does, to be fair. I just really hate how those lines come across.

[CrutchCricket]

I thought Tali was fine in ME2-3. She didn't come off as overly attached when I didn't romance her. I didn't go out of my way to be dick of course. But it worked out into a nice friendship (based on hero worship, sure but that's just who she is).

 

I think part of the problem is LIs have no real friendship path (especially in ME2) You keep talking to them, it's snu-snu or nothing else. Remember Garrus and his calibrations?

[Vazgen]

Err... sorry but no. I call shenaningans. First off, a list of squadmates who are not soldiers yet buck up and do what needs to be done:

-Liara(!!!!)

-Tali

-Thane (a more violent profession but Shepard's way is definitely not his. Terminally ill to boot but he joins despite this in ME2 and still "comes out of retirement" at the right moment in ME3 despite being even more doomed)

 

This argument hold even less water when you're facing a galactic extinction event and your opponents are the size of (goddamn) skyscrapers, thus effectively making the soldier distinction moot. The resentment is also out of place and unwelcome. Shepard didn't drag her into anything. She signed up for it and stayed on. Did the words "suicide mission" mean something different to her? If TIM lied when he made the offer, fine, but did she have to stick around? I don't recall putting a slave collar on her. We made port countless times between Horizon, the Collector ship attack and the final mission. She could've skipped out at any moment. If it was an unloyal dialog variation I might buy it. But that it's the default is galling to no end and I'm sorry, complete bullshit. Hell even exiled Tali isn't resentful and she has way more reason to be.

 

I've speculated before that maybe resentment wasn't what they were going for, necessarily. Perhaps they used the wrong take of the voice recording. The same lines said in Kasumi's usual playful tone might've passes as a joke and all would be well. But the way it is now is atrocious. To reiterate, I understand her talents are better used in procurement. I don't mind where she ends up one bit. It's how that comes about. If she had delivered the lines jokingly, or suggested she steal stuff from the crucible from the start, I'd be smiling. But not this "**** off I don't want to" nonsense.

 

In Citadel when you meet her in the casino she says that "infiltrating Cerberus and Reaper-held locations is fun! But I'm a thief, this is who I am". That's perfect- that is exactly what I wanted to hear. She has a good heart. And a history of using her talents to help people because it's the right thing to do. But stealing is still her life. If only that had taken the place of her main game dialog.

 

Then the party comes and she sniffing around in Shepard's underwear drawer. Literally, I kid you not. 

 

Hmm I never thought of the book idea. If that was really it, I'd love it. It'd be a clever nod to her room in ME2 (she has physical books) "Don't laugh, I like those books". I'm grinning just thinking about it. Thank you for that.

Having Shadow Broker as a squadmate was a pretty odd decision by Bioware IMO. On my canon (max immersion) run I don't take her unless I'm forced to. Tali is military, she even leads an elite squad on Haestrom. Thane is no stranger to combat. Kasumi's skills lie elsewhere. Infiltration and sabotage - that's why Cerberus sought her out. 

About dragging her to the Suicide Mission, let's assume for a moment that TIM lied to her. She exposes herself and joins up with Shepard. If she abandons the mission, Shepard might not have hard feelings but can you say the same about Cerberus? TIM is a powerful enemy. She'd think twice before slipping away. 

Underwear fetish is absolutely weird and has nothing to do with her character. I'd roleplay that as if she tries to find bugs or something like that and quickly composes a story for Shepard to cover her tracks.

 

Edit: just saw your reply. I don't use her in ME1 because of the reasons you mentioned. She's a brilliant engineer and works with Adams

 

Why do you think this? I thought it was very much in character for both of them given their somewhat impulsive nature. Besides, their affinity for hitting the sauce was established before any DLC.

I'm particularly perplexed by the "rainbows and butterflies" opinion so many people have of Tali when it is not at all how she is characterized (maybe it's the voice). She's a tough, hotheaded and savvy kid. Meanwhile, Ashley is a foul mouthed hardass grunt. Really, the two characters have a lot of similarities in the way they act in addition to the drinking.

I absolutely don't consider Tali to be all "rainbows and butterflies". She's smart, tough and has respect of her people. Enough to be made an Admiral. The drinking scene after Sanctuary touches her backstory and a "weak spot" - her father. She does not drink just for the hell of it, she drinks because Miranda's situation affected her deeply. I thought it was a deep moment, especially considering the risks she takes when getting drunk. But in Citadel DLC she just gets wasted because "party, let's have fun" (at least that's how I remember it).

Ashley's drinking was a not really good addition to her character (not only in Citadel). I should've said that ME3 butchered Ash, not Citadel which just builds over already established personality. 

[TheN7Penguin]

I actually think Tali is one of the few LI's who seem genuine, and she has good character development between ME1 and ME3. She is also one of the most useful in combat (Garrus and Tali were my main team across all three games). She is very loyal to Shepard, even if you give the evidence in ME2 during her trial - although she does say that she doesn't want Shepard to talk to her. She, along with Garrus (who are kind of on a level for me) are some of my favourite characters in the games - and of all time.

[CrutchCricket]

 Kasumi's skills lie elsewhere. Infiltration and sabotage - that's why Cerberus sought her out. 

About dragging her to the Suicide Mission, let's assume for a moment that TIM lied to her. She exposes herself and joins up with Shepard. If she abandons the mission, Shepard might not have hard feelings but can you say the same about Cerberus? TIM is a powerful enemy. She'd think twice before slipping away.

Infiltration and sabotage, sure. But her specific in-game powers- Shadow Strike and Flashbangs are decidedly anti-personnel. Her moves during the Hock gunship fight indicate far more potent training than mere hacking and invisibility. She's a thief on paper, but a ninja in practice. This where the interesting back story leads come in. She makes a hell of a lot more sense to recruit than a psychotic convict with superpowers who happens to hate everything you stand for let's just put it that way.

 

TIM may be a powerful enemy but he's not the only player on the board. Besides her own resources, there's the Shadow Broker to consider as well as all the data she accumulated thus far on the Normandy and the Lazarus cell. Enough to bargain or blackmail with, or at the very least enough of a starting point to get to that position. And when it comes down to it, which is preferable, almost certain death now via a suicide mission or possible death somewhere down the line? Finally, even if I were to grant that's the case, Shepard isn't to blame, Cerberus is. Why am I not hearing Ashley echoed instead of this crap?

[TheN7Penguin]

Oh, I do see where you're coming from - I just disagree. In Mass Effect 1 - I found her just to be a lore dispenser, as you said. It was Mass Effect 2 when it built on her background etc. when I started to like her as a character. Oddly enough, I do not approve of the final love scene in Mass Effect 2, however, as it seemed to break the whole non-contact part of Quarian lore, but I think the rest of it apart from that is fine. 

[Vazgen]

 

Infiltration and sabotage, sure. But her specific in-game powers- Shadow Strike and Flashbangs are decidedly anti-personnel. Her moves during the Hock gunship fight indicate far more potent training than mere hacking and invisibility. She's a thief on paper, but a ninja in practice. This where the interesting back story leads come in. She makes a hell of a lot more sense to recruit than a psychotic convict with superpowers who happens to hate everything you stand for let's just put it that way.

 

TIM may be a powerful enemy but he's not the only player on the board. Besides her own resources, there's the Shadow Broker to consider as well as all the data she accumulated thus far on the Normandy and the Lazarus cell. Enough to bargain or blackmail with, or at the very least enough of a starting point to get to that position. And when it comes down to it, which is preferable, almost certain death now via a suicide mission or possible death somewhere down the line? Finally, even if I were to grant that's the case, Shepard isn't to blame, Cerberus is. Why am I not hearing Ashley echoed instead of this crap?

I don't think that just because she can fight she likes it. I think she tries to avoid fighting at all costs and her powers reflect that - Shadow Strike allows her to avoid enemy fire, Flashbang is a non-lethal disabling tool, Overload can be used for disabling security (that power conduit in Hock's mansion). I do not recruit her for fighting abilities, yet she is forced to fight during the Suicide Mission (fire team/hold the line/squad situations).

Notice that she says that Shepard can't recruit her into "fighting in a galactic war". She thought Shepard was going to get her on his ship which travels to the most dangerous corners of the galaxy engulfed in a Reaper War. She gladly accepts when Shepard describes her job at the Crucible project. If she resented Shepard, she would not have contacted him at all. The only line that's left is "you roped me into a suicide mission" which I think was meant to make Shepard to forget about recruiting her to his ship, that's why it was said in a serious tone. The continuation of that line confirms it, Shepard says "I didn't say you have to join up" to which Kasumi replies "But you were thinking about it" or something like that. 

Tl;dr - I think she respects Shepard and helps him out of that respect but she definitely does not want to get on the Normandy again.

 

And don't bring Jack here, she's awesome!

[TheN7Penguin]

Yes. It was good to actually be there rather than just being told about it. I do kind of agree with you about Tali, although I think the good parts kind of extinguish the bad in a sense.

[themikefest]

top of the list

 

Samantha

space hamster

Rupert Gardner

Miranda

Ashley

Zaeed

James

guy walking around the Normandy who salutes Shepard when activated

 

like

 

Mordin

Samara

Ken and Gabby

Chakwas

Jenkins

Pressley

Javik

Kaidan

Steve

 

neutral

 

Grunt

Kasumi

Jacob

Thane

Adams

Nyreen

Kelly

Legion

both women guarding the scanner

 

dislike

 

Jack 

Tali

Kenson

 

don't care about

 

Garrus

Anderson

Joker

edibot

Liara

Aria

Wrex

Morinth

[CrutchCricket]

I don't think that just because she can fight she likes it. I think she tries to avoid fighting at all costs and her powers reflect that - Shadow Strike allows her to avoid enemy fire, Flashbang is non-lethal disabling tool, Overload can be used for disabling security (that power conduit in Hock's mansion). I do not recruit her for fighting abilities, yet she is forced to fight during the Suicide Mission (fire team/hold the line/squad situations).

I can agree she would prefer not to fight when possible. But I maintain she does when necessary (and what's more necessary than preventing the extinction of all life as we know it?) I imagine her training was more in line with that of a ninja/assassin type but she's philosophically opposed to that kind of life. She has a line during Thane's recruitment "That's rich, an assassin with a heart" delivered in a sardonic tone that suggests she doesn't think much of the profession. But being opposed to killing or violence on principle is different from being a coward. And the lines "last time I did that you roped me into a suicide mission" and "there's no way you're recruiting me to fight in a galactic war" are cowardly.
 

Notice that she says that Shepard can't recruit her into "fighting in a galactic war". She thought Shepard was going to get her on his ship which travels to the most dangerous corners of the galaxy engulfed in a Reaper War. She gladly accepts when Shepard describes her job at the Crucible project. If she resented Shepard, she would not have contacted him at all. The only line that's left is "you roped me into a suicide mission" which I think was meant to make Shepard to forget about recruiting her to his ship, that's why it was said in a serious tone. The continuation of that line confirms it, Shepard says "I didn't say you have to join up" to which Kasumi replies "But you were thinking about it" or something like that. 
Tl;dr - I think she respects Shepard and helps him out of that respect but she definitely does not want to get on the Normandy again.
 
And don't bring Jack here, she's awesome!

And if that was the best place for her she would've/should've realized and would've/should've done what was necessary. If there was a better use of her skills (like procuring for the Crucible) she should've said that instead. Literally anything but "no I don't want to". She contacted Shepard because he was the only one who could do something about it without immediately trying to arrest her. Resentment doesn't mean total hatred and refusal to contact.

 

And all of this is getting a bit off point. I'm talking about necessity, but what about loyalty? What about friendship? ME2 was about building a fire-forged team of trusted operatives who would see you through to the end, if you in turn won their loyalty. You helped them with their problems, you showed them you cared and they in turn supported you. Then you went through hell together and came out the other end. That's the kind of bond that should be made for life. Even if life takes you in different directions. Every other squadmate greets you and treats you like a comrade. They can't help you personally, it can't be like it was. But there's an understanding there regardless. Where was that here? That's where my complaint starts. Where is my friendship with Kasumi? It's literally impossible to infer one. I can accept every argument you've made about her motivations and I still can't reconcile that with a friendship. I might as well be talking to a random NPC. That, I think is unacceptable. Especially when there are so many better ways to go about it. Especially when there's bits you can use already there. She has a line "I can't do another Collector Base, Shep" while you're hacking the terminals. It's delivered softer, in a friendlier tone, almost with a hint of sadness. That's excellent. Even if you magnify that and go Kelly 2.0 and say she's traumatized, it still works better than what we have. I'd still think it was cheap. But it'd be passable. What we have now though, is irredeemable. I'm using tricks to cut off her lines. When I was playing more regularly I was considering modding the game to blank out her lines. When you're actively trying to see less of your favorite character, you know the content is ****.

 

And Jack may be OK but where she is, in both games, makes no sense.