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See, I'm of the opinion that Shepard should be utterly irreplaceable. I don't believe anyone could or should be able to do what Shepard does.

 

I don't think my view of Shepard really precludes the idea that he can inspire unity and cooperation on the level that you describe. But also, I do think that Shepard is really the only one that can take that rise of unity and cooperation and use it effectively to lead the galaxy to victory. I don't think anyone else, no matter how skilled or shilled and built up by the public could do that. And I don't think anyone should be able to do that. Shepard alone.

 

Power fantasy? Yup, it sure is.



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If I have to have it the way the game wants me to, then it would be as follows:
ME1: Pressly
ME2: Miranda
ME3: Probably Kaiden/Ashley.

But if I could literally act how I wanted, and was not confined by the fact that this is a game, it would be:
ME1: Pressly
ME2: Garrus
ME3: Garrus

My Shepards pretty much always consider Garrus one of their most trusted friends, and is fully confident in the Turians ability. I wish you could voice the opinion in all the games that, no, this is not an Alliance/Cerberus ship, this is my ship and what I say goes.

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Garrus cos he's badass. He's always on my team no matter what and his oppinion of what to do is usually the same as mine.

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Doesn't 'Staff Commander' Alenko actually outrank Shepard in ME3?



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See, I'm of the opinion that Shepard should be utterly irreplaceable. I don't believe anyone could or should be able to do what Shepard does.

 

I don't think my view of Shepard really precludes the idea that he can inspire unity and cooperation on the level that you describe. But also, I do think that Shepard is really the only one that can take that rise of unity and cooperation and use it effectively to lead the galaxy to victory. I don't think anyone else, no matter how skilled or shilled and built up by the public could do that. And I don't think anyone should be able to do that. Shepard alone.

 

Power fantasy? Yup, it sure is.

 

I think Hackett sums it up. That you can't train a soldier to believe, etc.. It's not necessaily about godlike skills.Or Miranda said it well: "I don't have that fire that can make someone want to follow you into hell itself."

 

Although some characters probably have this over the course of the series. The ones who become leaders in their own right (Wrex especially).



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The Space Hamster. 


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In ME2? As much as people rip on him, probably Jacob. Level-headed and actually has experience commanding a ship as a Corsair, unlike anyone else on the crew.

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Doesn't 'Staff Commander' Alenko actually outrank Shepard in ME3?

Radioactive slag is not eligible for promotion. :devil:

 

In ME2? As much as people rip on him, probably Jacob. Level-headed and actually has experience commanding a ship as a Corsair, unlike anyone else on the crew.

If you remember he's there. :lol:  I wonder if he'd have any misgivings about taking command after finding out what his dad did though.



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In ME2? As much as people rip on him, probably Jacob. Level-headed and actually has experience commanding a ship as a Corsair, unlike anyone else on the crew.


Not to mention that he's automatically the one to brief most of the new recruits.

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As much fantasy as Mass Effect is filled with, the devs should've come out and said that Shepard is a demigod.

 

As much space magic and similar shenanigans as we get, that would've explained a lot.

 

 

 

Anyway:

 

ME1: Kaidan

ME2: Miranda at first, but Garrus later on

ME3: Kaidan, de jure; Garrus, de facto



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If you remember he's there. :lol:  I wonder if he'd have any misgivings about taking command after finding out what his dad did though.

Another benefit. He's almost always left on the ship anyway. Gotta have SOMEONE who knows what they're doing in command when the ship's captain is down there getting shot at looking for a heating unit for a clutch of Salarian eggs. :P

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As much fantasy as Mass Effect is filled with, the devs should've come out and said that Shepard is a demigod.

 

As much space magic and similar shenanigans as we get, that would've explained a lot.

 

 

 

Anyway:

 

ME1: Kaidan

ME2: Miranda at first, but Garrus later on

ME3: Kaidan, de jure; Garrus, de facto

 

He/she isn't though. Unless you pick Control.... you could be on the path to demigod status, I guess.

 

There are characters that see us that way, but it's bullshit. They're just milder versions of Conrad Verner. I like that Vega knows you're just human, that Jack will punch you, that Javik say you're good solider... for a species that lived in caves...that Wrex thinks everyone is kicking ass solely because of him (like in the Citadel DLC mission), and that Garrus thinks he's a better shot (whether he is or not). 



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Miranda, cuz she knows what she's doing.
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He/she isn't though. Unless you pick Control.... you could be on the path to demigod status, I guess.

There are characters that see us that way, but it's bullshit. They're just milder versions of Conrad Verner. I like that Vega knows you're just human, that Jack will punch you, that Javik say you're good solider... for a species that lived in caves...that Wrex thinks everyone is kicking ass solely because of him (like in the Citadel DLC mission), and that Garrus thinks he's a better shot (whether he is or not).


Shepard has inhuman resolve, resilience and combat abilities even before Project Lazarus. And just so happens to be at the center of everything.

Sounds awfully demigod-ish to me. All it lacked was some big reveal as such. Canon-wise, you're right, but the way they wrote Shepard, it would have been easy to do.

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Shepard has inhuman resolve, resilience and combat abilities even before Project Lazarus. And just so happens to be at the center of everything.

Sounds awfully demigod-ish to me. All it lacked was some big reveal as such. Canon-wise, you're right, but the way they wrote Shepard, it would have been easy to do.

 

I don't think it's inhuman... well, not within the context of the story. It's definitely over the top, but other characters understand it too. All of Eve's dialog about hope and survival is the same thing. And maybe just Krogan culture, period. The male Shaman in ME2 spoke the same way, but Eve doesn't embrace violence like he does. Anderson's little diaries in Citadel DLC also relate to Shepard...how he's one of the few who might come close to understanding. Zaeed and Jack saw themselves similarly in ME2, but they still had a lot to learn (Jack found out that many suffered on her behalf and it wasn't just all her own resolve). Zaeed's pretty close, but he's grown completely ruthless and solitary from it.

 

Other characters are still learning.. Garrus still doesn't see himself as a leader and jokes about his status, Vega is afraid to lead again, etc.. I think that's a big reason they're on the crew. To learn something.



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ME1 :  Ehhh, prolly Dr. Chakwas.  I never liked Pressly or Adams.

 

ME2 :  Miranda.  Love her or hate her, she's got the chops.

 

ME3 :  Liara/Shadow Broker.  She prolly knows more about the ship than the Cerberus engineers who built the damn thing.



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Another benefit. He's almost always left on the ship anyway. Gotta have SOMEONE who knows what they're doing in command when the ship's captain is down there getting shot at looking for a heating unit for a clutch of Salarian eggs. :P

Well if Shepard AND Miranda are gone, then I guess...? But that'd make him third in line. ;-)

Of course this just brings up the matter of delegation...
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Me 1: Pressley I guess

Me2:  Miranda despite the squad being :angry: with her

ME3: DELETE FROM MEMORY



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Me 1: Pressley I guess

Me2:  Miranda despite the squad being :angry: with her

ME3: DELETE FROM MEMORY

 

Doesn't matter what the squad thinks of Miranda. Her position was assigned by Cerberus (and accepted by Shepard) long before anyone else joined.



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Doesn't matter what the squad thinks of Miranda. Her position was assigned by Cerberus (and accepted by Shepard) long before anyone else joined.

 

It's kind of sad though by the time Citadel DLC comes around. Putting her in context of all things Mass Effect. She seems strangely out of place at the party... except with Jack and Jacob (and Shep). I can't put my finger on it why.. it's like a Miranda and Shepard romance lives in some bubble. Having all of these people as friends, but none can relate to the woman he's with. It's not that she necessarily burned bridges.. They just don't seem like people who'd hang out much together.



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I will admit that I feel that way about the relationship, though I think my Shepard is in some-ways similar to Miranda. He's not necessarily a loner, but he's not the dude-bro that is sometimes pushed in Citadel. And I don't want him to be. He doesn't really do 'friends'. He's not the 'go out drinking with my mates/buds' type of guy that is kind of put on him. 

 

When you meet James in the bar in ME3 proper, where he's pointing out the blue-collar everyday alliance soldiers, he doesn't go over and introduce himself.

 

He is the larger than life guy that they think he is. And he knows it. He's the guy who's cut from something different. Miranda is a lot the same. 



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I will admit that I feel that way about the relationship, though I think my Shepard is in some-ways similar to Miranda. He's not necessarily a loner, but he's not the dude-bro that is sometimes pushed in Citadel. And I don't want him to be. He doesn't really do 'friends'. He's not the 'go out drinking with my mates/buds' type of guy that is kind of put on him. 

 

When you meet James in the bar in ME3 proper, where he's pointing out the blue-collar everyday alliance soldiers, he doesn't go over and introduce himself.

 

He is the larger than life guy that they think he is. And he knows it. He's the guy who's cut from something different. Miranda is a lot the same. 

 

That's cool if you see it that way. I'd like all views to work out, but yeah.. it's just something I noticed in what Citadel was pushing.



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He is the larger than life guy that they think he is. And he knows it. He's the guy who's cut from something different. Miranda is a lot the same. 

He may be larger than life but he doesn't have to be a dick about it. Not saying that yours is necessarily.

 

My Shepard knows he's the ****. But he doesn't want anyone's worship or awe. Especially not those who put their asses on the line next to his every day. They may not be his equals but he doesn't see it that way. They're a company of heroes in their own right, and what's more they're Shepard's company. In general he tries to make any friendly relax around him. But if you step on that ship and pull your weight then you're as much above the rest as he is above you. Take Grunt being detained in Citadel for example. My Shep covers for him without a second thought. Grunt is my own. We don't leave our own hanging, and certainly not for petty ****.

 

Otherwise I didn't feel Miranda or anyone else stood out negatively at the party. Then again, it isn't your normal party when you have ancient Protheans, krogan battlemasters, asari justicars, the Shadow Broker, an AI, genetically perfect humans and krogan and various makes and models of badass supersoldiers, all headed by the galatic badass. Frankly I'm more sorry for the likes of Traynor and Cortez. They're regular joes at a superhero party, without the benefit of years of already being on the team.



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He may be larger than life but he doesn't have to be a dick about it. Not saying that yours is necessarily.

 

My Shepard knows he's the ****. But he doesn't want anyone's worship or awe. Especially not those who put their asses on the line next to his every day. They may not be his equals but he doesn't see it that way. They're a company of heroes in their own right, and what's more they're Shepard's company. In general he tries to make any friendly relax around him. But if you step on that ship and pull your weight then you're as much above the rest as he is above you. Take Grunt being detained in Citadel for example. My Shep covers for him without a second thought. Grunt is my own. We don't leave our own hanging, and certainly not for petty ****.

 

Otherwise I didn't feel Miranda or anyone else stood out negatively at the party. Then again, it isn't your normal party when you have ancient Protheans, krogan battlemasters, asari justicars, the Shadow Broker, an AI, genetically perfect humans and krogan and various makes and models of badass supersoldiers, all headed by the galatic badass. Frankly I'm more sorry for the likes of Traynor and Cortez. They're regular joes at a superhero party, without the benefit of years of already being on the team.

 

Whelp, I guess I can say my Shepard isn't like that then. In some ways, you might think he is a dick about it. He's not out to make people comfortable. He doesn't interact with other soldiers outside of a professional setting. He maintains that awe and mysticism around him, and he backs it up with action.

 

I'm more of the nose-in-the-air aristocrat that happens to back his words and feelings up with actions as far as my Shepard is concerned. He's with them, but not of them. They aren't his equals, and he does see it that way. He knows its that way. That's not to say that he undercuts or respects them any less, but he has more important things to do than to make friends with the common soldiers.

 

I still think the whole party idea was rather stupid. I wish it was more dramatic. I don't want the laid back and casual stuff (at least, not like most people want it), I want the dramatic narrative. 



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In Mass Effect probably Pressly or Garrus.

 

In ME2 Garrus or Tali.

 

In ME3 Garrus.