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[Amne YA]

First of all . I know the story of Fiona
The stroy how she end up in a circle of magi . Her story with her son and how she become leader of the mage reblion
what i dont understand why she attaque heaven when you choose templar mission . We understand when the red templar attaque when you side with the mage cause the envy demon turned all the templar that u didnt save to red templar that have no will anymore .
But when you side with the templar . CURy use vanatory Ok but why not Alexuis the magister of the vanatory who attaque heaven after you don't came to his trap . They send fiona : why Fiona attaque as leader of the Vanatory ? It's stupid as mutch as stupid to leas the mages to be slaves to tivinter

[Nefla]

Because many aspects of the game were not well thought out or delivered and that was one of them.

[Illyria]

It's heavily implied she was brainwashed. There's (apparently) a codex entry that confirms this, but I've never seen it.  If it is the case then I wish BW had made that clearer.

[Amne YA]

It s pretty sad . I did the both side . many times and i came to the conclusion that as the person with the only hope to close the breach i must not fall to thw trap of Alexuis . And go face the envy demon and came back to slay her with all the pain . I feel sad for her and her life and her son knowing nothing but i will slay her 10 tomes if i had to .
cause that the leadership is about . Everybody befor your self

[Fireheart]

Oh, yeah, that reminds me. What ever happens to Alexius if you choose the Templars? I chose the Templars once, but after I made it to Skyhold, I ended my playthrough right there.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Oh, yeah, that reminds me. What ever happens to Alexius if you choose the Templars? I chose the Templars once, but after I made it to Skyhold, I ended my playthrough right there.

Corypheus kills him since his time travel magic failed to remove the Herald of Andraste from being at the Temple of Sacred Ashes and ruining his plans.

[Amne YA]

We don't know . They just send fiona in his place and they never talk about him again .
i choose the templar cause it give a betbetter presentation to Cole . DORIAN is already presented in the Chantry of red clif and it make sence when he cane to warn you . You know him and he was in touch not like a spirit that pop from noh where to warn you . The dream i truduce Cole the best what and i find ser baris a very good person and the futur of the templar order . If you side with the templar and allie with them they give you wartable mission that you send batis to it and he save a mage and stand with him against the population that wanted to exwcute him . He is the reflecion of what the templar order should be

[katerinafm]

Yeah, fighting Alexius instead would have made more sense. Fiona appears to become a placeholder mini boss character and not as important as she SHOULD be considering her role in the universe (more apparent if you read the books). I mean, she appears as a fight so suddenly I wouldn't have even noticed her if someone else hadn't pointed it out to me. It's almost as bad as Jack becoming a banshee in ME3 if you don't help her.

 

Spoilers for the books:

You'd think that the only freaking person alive to have been cured of the Blight AND possibly the King's mother wouldn't be presented like this. She should have been sent to the Warden to help cure the Calling since that's apparently a big thing the Hero of Ferelden is searching for.

[The Baconer]

It's heavily implied she was brainwashed. There's (apparently) a codex entry that confirms this, but I've never seen it.

 

Don't.

[Excella Gionne]

She died in all of my playthroughs.

[myahele]

I don't know about brainwash. But I'm sure bloodmagic was used to implant some thoughts into her

[Br3admax]

It's heavily implied she was brainwashed. There's (apparently) a codex entry that confirms this, but I've never seen it.  If it is the case then I wish BW had made that clearer.

There is no such codex, and it's not really that heavily implied at all. 

 

This is a classic case of the stupid, which every BioWare character post '04 will experience at some point or another. 

[Krypplingz]

I head canon that Alexius was never supposed to lead the Rebel Mages, just recruit them and then work on his Time Machine. Calpernia would then arrive and take control of the group. Same with Envy, it was supposed to recruit the templars and then would be disposed off when Samson arrived. On the Mage path, Knight Captain Denam (the guy who reveals that the Templars have been corrupted) fills the role of Fiona, not Envy or Samson. 

So the final boss of Haven is not Corypheus general, but the former leader of the group Corypheus recruited, sent out as a sacrificial lamb. 

 

Since Alexius failed in his mission, he and Felix were probably executed by Corpypheus. Dorian tells us that they have vanished with out a trace, as if they had been wiped out of existance. They were probably disposed of infront of Fiona since she is shown to be assisting Alexius in taking care of Felix. Now she is alone, surrounded by Venetori loyal to Corypheus and the only ally she had is dead. Even if she runs, she has nowhere to hide, her Fereldan allies probably turned against her when the mages kicked Teagan out of Redcliffe. 

 

Then Fiona would be given the option to serve Corypheus or his Venetori would go and dispose of the Rebel mages in the same manner they wiped out Alexius. Including the children, disabled and elderly.

At this point, the Inquisition is not quite the army it is at Skyhold and they have allied with the templars, so running to Haven doesn't seem like a solid option. 

On the other hand, if the mages pledged their service to Corypheus, she and her fellow mages would have a place in the new Tevinter Empire, where they would be respected for their magical powers and service to the new god. 

So she picks the path where she and her charges might survive and hopes for the best.

 

Onwards to the attack at Haven. When Fiona appears it's the end of the assault. Many of the Venetori where probably newly initiated mages from the group from Redcliffe and the Inquisitor has killed them all. The rest of her people are enslaved by a darkspawn, who just pulled a dragon out of his ass. Haven is destroyed and the dragon will lay rest to the resistance, but she will probably be dead before that happens.What use is it to gloat or make a speech (aka have a cutscene)? Rather just jump in the fray and pray to the Maker that her death will be quick. 

[Colonelkillabee]

There is no such codex, and it's not really that heavily implied at all. 

 

This is a classic case of the stupid, which every BioWare character post '04 will experience at some point or another. 

Does everything always need to be laid out in front of you for you to see it? She seemed very confused in redcliffe when you were saying you met, and this never comes up again. It's incredibly suspicious, and not just of her but the writers.

 

This isn't the first time the devs have given subtlety to the story in inquisition, which I like about it a lot.

 

Well, subtle for Bioware anyway.

[Archdemon_Urthemiel]

Does everything always need to be laid out in front of you for you to see it? She seemed very confused in redcliffe when you were saying you met, and this never comes up again. It's incredibly suspicious, and not just of her but the writers.

This isn't the first time the devs have given subtlety to the story in inquisition, which I like about it a lot.

Well, subtle for Bioware anyway.

Didn't weekes support using the guide? Seems pretty clear cut in hat case.

Also, isn't the pro-circle Mage in the tavern he torturer in the bad future if you side wih the mages?

[Nefla]

I wish they'd made an effort to make you care about fighting Fiona/Knight Captain what's-his-name. They don't even do anything to make you notice that you're fighting anything special aside from them having a larger health bar.

[congokong]

I assume Fiona attacked for the same reason all the other mages did. They were conscripted and feared death upon refusal. It's not unheard of. Krypplingz gives a pretty detailed explanation.

[Colonelkillabee]

Didn't weekes support using the guide? Seems pretty clear cut in hat case.

Also, isn't the pro-circle Mage in the tavern he torturer in the bad future if you side wih the mages?

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by that last sentence, but as for the first, clear cut would be an official statement in my opinion. There's a number of things still up in the air that probably won't be clarified, but it doesn't mean things are as they seem. Think about it, how often in real conflict would you ever find out about every instance of trickery committed by the enemy even if you beat them?

 

It's "realistic" that they'd manipulate who they could and we wouldn't always know about it. The "stupid" card in this instance is just too stupid for me to believe. I'd feel stupid for thinking she was just that stupid. Since that's what the Tevinter would love you to think. That the mages of white thedas preferred their company to their circles. It'd be rather satisfying.

[Archdemon_Urthemiel]

I'm starting to wonder if he same hatred against Fiona and he mages attacking haven would still apply if he Templars weren't brainwashed and willingly attacked Haven

[The Baconer]

I'm starting to wonder if he same hatred against Fiona and he mages attacking haven would still apply if he Templars weren't brainwashed and willingly attacked Haven

 

They willingly took the red stuff and followed Lucius, so...

 

Yeah.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Lucky pro-Templars, you get to kill Fiona. As someone who sided with the mages, I wish I got to kill Fiona and pick a better leader for the mages.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Fiona? (Disgusted Noise).

[Amne YA]

see  what we discovered now guys ?  that the mages  attaqued haven to save their selfs from Coryph and don"t face the same faith as Alexuis ,  Alexuis  was doing it for his son , he have a  motivation  ,a selfish motvation the same as fiona to save her mages , she is not better than him 
, fiona did  the some crazy styuf to save the  mages and her self , i think it was selfish ,  she is a bad leader for the mages ,  i realy think many mages would prerefer to die  fighting Cory and being remembered as Mages who died with honor rather than deiging attaquing  heaven .
As for the templar they will not attaque heaven if the red Lyrium wasn"t used on them , they wanted to help like sir baris say but Lord seeker  was holding them in the castle , as a military force you have to obey your superior or you are considered as traitor .   If  the red lyrium wasn"t used on them , and was ordered to attaque heaven i realy think  they woukd turn agaisnt lord seeker just like how they turn agaisnt him when they discovert that his a envy demon , and they fight with you in the main hall agaisn"t red templar  ,   and i think the mage should have done the same against fiona when she went to the tiventer  but they foilowed a stupid leader to the wrong  route ,  and that why the templar was made right ?  to face the mages that went in the wrong  route of the purpose of magic

[Br3admax]

Does everything always need to be laid out in front of you for you to see it? She seemed very confused in redcliffe when you were saying you met, and this never comes up again. It's incredibly suspicious, and not just of her but the writers.

This isn't the first time the devs have given subtlety to the story in inquisition, which I like about it a lot.

Well, subtle for Bioware anyway.

You jump through hoops to defend her all you want, Bee. I assume you have excuses for all the other mages going along as well. Must be some serious mind control. Especially considering the fact they all suddenly forgot about it. Even when all outside influences are removed. It was magic that made them do it and then suddenly forget it forever. Her being mind control also isn't subtle. Neither is time travel.

[Amne YA]

You jump through hoops to defend her all you want, Bee. I assume you have excuses for all the other mages going along as well. Must be some serious mind control. Especially considering the fact they all suddenly forgot about it. Even when all outside influences are removed. It was magic that made them do it and then suddenly forget it forever. Her being mind control also isn't subtle. Neither is time travel.

that what i was traying to say in the last post ,  they screw it ,  most people that side with the mages are MAGES  and that stop them from thinking about each moovement of the 2 camps  , that why you shoud play some thing neutral  first ,  to see from a neutral perspective , and not a class perspective