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[LOLandStuff]

Because Fiona.

 

Can't expect much sense from her, really.

[Amne YA]

Because Fiona.

 

Can't expect much sense from her, really.

i will slay her 10 time if i had to no regret , i feel sad for here but  i will do it  for the Inquisitionnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn 

[TEWR]

Because Bioware decided trashing her character or relegating her to the sidelines (if she's recruited) was more important then giving her a consistent and impressive role in this story

[WildOrchid]

Poor Fiona. Another lady who was very badly written (Bianca is another one)

 

They could've done so much with her, yet she was just.... there. :/

[Amne YA]

Because Bioware decided trashing her character or relegating her to the sidelines (if she's recruited) was more important then giving her a consistent and impressive role in this story

not trashing , they changed her because ,people  change with time  ,   she changed to  the week , stupid   irresponsable person she is now . they wanted us to see this . to make us use our brain and not our old perspective 

[Master Warder Z_]

Because Fiona.

Can't expect much sense from her, really.

Yup.

[Gervaise]

There is mind control in terms of the control Corypheus exercise over the Wardens, which I do not think is what happens with Fiona, and then there is mind manipulation such as we know Alexius had already employed with Fiona.   When we turn up at Redcliffe she has indentured herself and all the other mages to Tevinter.   The reason for this is that the meeting with the Inquisitor in Val Royeaux never took place, Alexius turned back time enough that he could arrive before the Inquisitor at Redcliffe and persuaded Fiona that the mages would be better off accepting his offer of protection.   If Fiona didn't see herself as honour bound not to ally with a hostile foreign power against the monarch and the people who had offered them sanctuary, why would she worry about attacking Haven?

 

If you don't return to "rescue" the mages from Alexius but instead head for the Templar fortress, Alexius would no doubt convey this information to Fiona and the others as evidence that they were right to choose him.  When Calpurnia turns up she would also be very persuasive, telling them that she was a former slave and how the Venatori are going to build a new, better Tevinter.    All they need to do is take down the pro-Templar Inquisition.    Is it really beyond the realms of possibility that Fiona would have willingly fought alongside the Venatori?    Even meeting Corypheus would not necessarily have dissuaded her since he is also very persuasive; he managed to fool Calpurnia.    Whilst I have little sympathy for Fiona in indenturing herself in the first place, by this stage she could probably see no viable alternative, other than falling on her own sword and in any case she might well have genuinely believed the bull***t Corypheus fed her with. 

[Digger1967]

Well I don't know of any "official' source that states that Fiona was brainwashed or put under the influence of some sort of mind altering magic but frankly considering Fiona's background it's the only thing that makes any sense in my mind.

 

I mean she's hardly a babe in the woods here, and even on paper this bargain with Alexius just stinks to high heaven.  She claims she accepted because she had no choice, that her people were losing the war.  That very well may be true, but it's not like whatever resources Alexius might manage to bring with him are going to make a huge impact here from a tactical/logistics standpoint.  As is mentioned in some of the dialog choices, he's a long way from home and he couldn't have brought a huge army with him, not without sparking a response to a full scale invasion.

 

So really to be of any value to Fiona and her people, the bargain would have to have seen her and her people taken back to Travintor where they would be safe, not remaining in and trying to hold Redcliffe against not only the forces of the Templars but eventually the forces of the Fereldon army when it became clear that this was not going to be a temporary situation and that no other option was really available.  

 

Even all of your companions take the opportunity to remark on how incredibly foolish this bargain is and how only a complete moron would have agreed to this especially without even investigating any other options first.  So really for me the only way this works is if Fiona is placed under the influence of of some kind of mind control magic, not complete control persee but enough to convince her that this bargain was a reasonable one even though it really isn't.

 

I had similar issues with some of the back story concerning the Lord Seeker and how that whole Templar thing came about, I mean as a Seeker he's immune to possession and yet the Templar quest sort of ignores that and you encounter the Envy demon in the form of the Lord Seeker, however afterwards you can also encounter the "real" Lord Seeker again if you take up one of Cassandra's quests to find the seekers.

 

So I had to think of a way for that to work and I finally came up with something that works for me, I mean granted it's not "canon" by any means and certainly completely unofficial but I needed to fix that plot snafu in my mind or it was just to many dangling strings that would drive my OCD side insane.

 

So I thought about Corypheous - he makes it pretty clear that he's been planning this whole thing for a long, long time.  So, what groups have the power to interfere with his plans?  The Templars, the Mages, and the Chantry.  The armies of Orlais might also be a bit of a problem, and of course the Wardens might be troublesome.

 

So Cory starts with the Templars and the mages.  He sends the Envy demon to the former Lord Seeker.  Now the Lord Seeker himself is immune to possession, however his servants are not.  So the Envy demon takes control of one of the Lord Seekers trusted servants, and while in his "service" starts poisoning him with ever increasing doses of Red Lyrium.

 

He gets him paranoid enough to start the mage/templar war.  The Envy demon also uses his access to discover the secret that tranquility can be reversed.  He informs Cory who has this information "leaked" to the mages, and the rebellion begins.  The Lord Seeker, being paranoid and now addicted to Red Lyrium massively overreacts and pretty much responds with open warfare just as his "trusted" servant/adviser suggests.  Cory's plan does suffer a minor setback when the former Lord seeker is killed in the fighting, however the Envy demon is already in place and starts to poison the new Lord seeker the same as he did the old.

 

It has the desired effect, the new Lord Seeker becomes increasingly more paranoid and delusional.  Once he's ready Cory sits him down and has a nice long chat with him, and the Lord Seeker is far enough gone at this point that what Cory says actually makes sense.  He convinces him that the Templar order has fallen into corruption, that indeed the whole system - Templars, Circles, etc needs to have the reset button pushed, and gets him to agree to allow the Envy demon to take his place and assume his form.  He needs the Lord Seeker to consent since the Envy demon can't possess him or take his form by force.  

 

So it's actually the Envy demon you meet in Val Royauex, not the Lord Seeker.  Which also explains why he doesn't seem to really know you later when you meet him on Cassandra's personal quest.  His mind is pretty much warped by the combination of the Red Lyrium and Cory's influence at that point, so he's pretty much off the charts SHR crazy.

 

On the Warden side of things Cory has been working on them for years, slowly bringing more and more of them under his influence, so when he finally does do the phony mass calling bit he's already got control of quite a few of the warden higher ups.  That explains why they are helping him at the conclave to sacrifice the divine.  It's also explains why a lot of the Warden leadership signed off on the whole blood magic demon army plan, they were already under Cory's control or being heavily influenced by him at least.  He slowly works his way up the ranks until finally he gets to the Warden Commander and gets her to sign off on it as well.

 

So he goes to the conclave ready to sacrifice the divine in the blood magic ritual needed to tear open the veil, when your stupid behind walks through the door and interrupts.  The mark is gone, out of his reach for now and he needs to get it back.  Doesn't take a rocket science to realize that once the Inquisition begins and you join there are only two places you can go for help closing the breach, either the Templars or the Mages.

 

Cory already controls the Templars through his Envy demon who is impersonating the Lord Seeker, so that side's pretty much sewn up.  But the mages?  Sure, he tricked them into starting the rebellion but didn't think he'd really need them afterwards so he had not really planned for this part.  The other big problem, his spies have learned that the mages have already approached the Inquisition to begin talks with you folks about helping you with the breach.  

 

The inquisition and mages joining forces might throw a serious monkey wrench into his plans.  So he pulls out the ace up his sleeve, Alexius.  He knows Alexius has been toying with time magic but has never been able to get it to work, and he knows why - Alexius wants desperately to go back in time and prevent Felix from being infected.

 

So at some point Cory goes to Alexius and agrees to help him perfect his time spell and create the amulet that allows his time magic to work.  Alexius very quickly discovers however that his time magic has one serious limitation, it won't allow him to travel back to any point in time further back than before the breech appears.

 

So Cory strikes a bargain with Alexius - since the amulet won't let him save Felix, Cory knows of another way to keep him alive, and will do so if Alexius goes back in time and "fixes" the mistake at the temple.  Now Alexius can't actually travel back to before the explosion that creates the breech takes place, but what he can do is get the rebel mages under control, so that when you and the Inquisition come to meet them you'll fall right into his trap, he can deliver you to Cory and fulfill his part of the bargain.

 

The time travel component is necessary to give them enough time to bring Fiona and the rest of her advisers under control and to make sure that they are at least on board enough that they won't interfere.   

 

So far at least Cory has managed to keep his part in this entirely secret from the general populace and wishes to remain safely anonymous.  However after his plans fail and you defeat either Alexius or the Envy demon and escape his carefully laid trap, he gets ticked off enough and impatient enough that he does reveal himself and attacks Haven directly to get to you and retrieve the mark.

 

He knows if you keep it long enough you'll "bond" with it and it will become useless to him, so he has to give up working from the shadows after his original plans to retrieve it fails, and come after you himself.  Unfortunately for him he discovers that by the time he gets to you at Haven it's already too late, the mark is now useless to him.  So now he just wants to kill you out of spite.  

 

Not sure how well that fits in with any novels, etc - since all of my knowledge of the story comes from DA:I and what I've read here, but it resolves for me at least most of the major story issues that the game interactions sort of bring to light.

[Amne YA]

Well I don't know of any "official' source that states that Fiona was brainwashed or put under the influence of some sort of mind altering magic but frankly considering Fiona's background it's the only thing that makes any sense in my mind.

 

I mean she's hardly a babe in the woods here, and even on paper this bargain with Alexius just stinks to high heaven.  She claims she accepted because she had no choice, that her people were losing the war.  That very well may be true, but it's not like whatever resources Alexius might manage to bring with him are going to make a huge impact here from a tactical/logistics standpoint.  As is mentioned in some of the dialog choices, he's a long way from home and he couldn't have brought a huge army with him, not without sparking a response to a full scale invasion.

 

So really to be of any value to Fiona and her people, the bargain would have to have seen her and her people taken back to Travintor where they would be safe, not remaining in and trying to hold Redcliffe against not only the forces of the Templars but eventually the forces of the Fereldon army when it became clear that this was not going to be a temporary situation and that no other option was really available.  

 

Even all of your companions take the opportunity to remark on how incredibly foolish this bargain is and how only a complete moron would have agreed to this especially without even investigating any other options first.  So really for me the only way this works is if Fiona is placed under the influence of of some kind of mind control magic, not complete control persee but enough to convince her that this bargain was a reasonable one even though it really isn't.

 

I had similar issues with some of the back story concerning the Lord Seeker and how that whole Templar thing came about, I mean as a Seeker he's immune to possession and yet the Templar quest sort of ignores that and you encounter the Envy demon in the form of the Lord Seeker, however afterwards you can also encounter the "real" Lord Seeker again if you take up one of Cassandra's quests to find the seekers.

 

So I had to think of a way for that to work and I finally came up with something that works for me, I mean granted it's not "canon" by any means and certainly completely unofficial but I needed to fix that plot snafu in my mind or it was just to many dangling strings that would drive my OCD side insane.

 

So I thought about Corypheous - he makes it pretty clear that he's been planning this whole thing for a long, long time.  So, what groups have the power to interfere with his plans?  The Templars, the Mages, and the Chantry.  The armies of Orlais might also be a bit of a problem, and of course the Wardens might be troublesome.

 

So Cory starts with the Templars and the mages.  He sends the Envy demon to the former Lord Seeker.  Now the Lord Seeker himself is immune to possession, however his servants are not.  So the Envy demon takes control of one of the Lord Seekers trusted servants, and while in his "service" starts poisoning him with ever increasing doses of Red Lyrium.

 

He gets him paranoid enough to start the mage/templar war.  The Envy demon also uses his access to discover the secret that tranquility can be reversed.  He informs Cory who has this information "leaked" to the mages, and the rebellion begins.  The Lord Seeker, being paranoid and now addicted to Red Lyrium massively overreacts and pretty much responds with open warfare just as his "trusted" servant/adviser suggests.  Cory's plan does suffer a minor setback when the former Lord seeker is killed in the fighting, however the Envy demon is already in place and starts to poison the new Lord seeker the same as he did the old.

 

It has the desired effect, the new Lord Seeker becomes increasingly more paranoid and delusional.  Once he's ready Cory sits him down and has a nice long chat with him, and the Lord Seeker is far enough gone at this point that what Cory says actually makes sense.  He convinces him that the Templar order has fallen into corruption, that indeed the whole system - Templars, Circles, etc needs to have the reset button pushed, and gets him to agree to allow the Envy demon to take his place and assume his form.  He needs the Lord Seeker to consent since the Envy demon can't possess him or take his form by force.  

 

So it's actually the Envy demon you meet in Val Royauex, not the Lord Seeker.  Which also explains why he doesn't seem to really know you later when you meet him on Cassandra's personal quest.  His mind is pretty much warped by the combination of the Red Lyrium and Cory's influence at that point, so he's pretty much off the charts SHR crazy.

 

On the Warden side of things Cory has been working on them for years, slowly bringing more and more of them under his influence, so when he finally does do the phony mass calling bit he's already got control of quite a few of the warden higher ups.  That explains why they are helping him at the conclave to sacrifice the divine.  It's also explains why a lot of the Warden leadership signed off on the whole blood magic demon army plan, they were already under Cory's control or being heavily influenced by him at least.  He slowly works his way up the ranks until finally he gets to the Warden Commander and gets her to sign off on it as well.

 

On the mage side of the equation again Cory does what he's done with the other two groups, he puts them in a position of weakness and desperation and then uses that plus a little mind manipulation magic to get what he wants.  He now controls all of the major players and has even gotten a civil war start in Orlais to keep them sidelined, and he's ready to put his grand master plan into effect.

 

So he goes to the conclave ready to sacrifice the divine in the blood magic ritual needed to tear open the veil, when your stupid behind walks through the door and interrupts.  The mark is gone, out of his reach for now and he needs to get it back.  Doesn't take a rocket science to realize that once the Inquisition begins and you join there are only two places you can go for help closing the breach, either the Templars or the Mages.

 

Cory already controls the Templars through his Envy demon who is impersonating the Lord Seeker, so that side's pretty much sewn up.  But the mages?  Sure, he tricked them into starting the rebellion but didn't think he'd really need them afterwards so he had not really planned for this part.  The other big problem, his spies have learned that the mages have already approached the Inquisition to begin talks with you folks about helping you with the breach.  

 

The inquisition and mages joining forces might throw a serious monkey wrench into his plans.  So he pulls out the ace up his sleeve, Alexius.  He knows Alexius has been toying with time magic but has never been able to get it to work, and he knows why - Alexius wants desperately to go back in time and prevent Felix from being infected.

 

So at some point Cory goes to Alexius and agrees to help him perfect his time spell and create the amulet that allows his time magic to work.  Alexius very quickly discovers however that his time magic has one serious limitation, it won't allow him to travel back to any point in time further back than before the breech appears.

 

So Cory strikes a bargain with Alexius - since the amulet won't let him save Felix, Cory knows of another way to keep him alive, and will do so if Alexius goes back in time and "fixes" the mistake at the temple.  Now Alexius can't actually travel back to before the explosion that creates the breech takes place, but what he can do is get the rebel mages under control, so that when you and the Inquisition come to meet them you'll fall right into his trap, he can deliver you to Cory and fulfill his part of the bargain.

 

The time travel component is necessary to give them enough time to bring Fiona and the rest of her advisers under control and to make sure that they are at least on board enough that they won't interfere.   

 

So far at least Cory has managed to keep his part in this entirely secret from the general populace and wishes to remain safely anonymous.  However after his plans fail and you defeat either Alexius or the Envy demon and escape his carefully laid trap, he gets ticked off enough and impatient enough that he does reveal himself and attacks Haven directly to get to you and retrieve the mark.

 

He knows if you keep it long enough you'll "bond" with it and it will become useless to him, so he has to give up working from the shadows after his original plans to retrieve it fails, and come after you himself.  Unfortunately for him he discovers that by the time he gets to you at Haven it's already too late, the mark is now useless to him.  So now he just wants to kill you out of spite.  

 

Not sure how well that fits in with any novels, etc - since all of my knowledge of the story comes from DA:I and what I've read here, but it resolves for me at least most of the major story issues that the game interactions sort of bring to light.

you missed one thing , the mages didn"t  wanted to help . it wasn"t FIONA  in val rayaux that invite you it was alexuis , with magic to look like fiona , he invite you  because he know that he will get their before you using time magic  , he use time magic, to go there and fool  the foolish fiona and  get control on the mages 
when you came there it s already missed up .
for the templars the seeker you meet in val royaus is endeed  the envy demon ,  and if you remaque ser baris wanted   the templar to help the inquisition but they order him to not question and folow order .
so the one that actually wanted to help are the templar but the demon stoped them from helping . 
and the mage didn"t porpose help cause it wasn" fiona it was alxuis . the mages where  in redclift  and was only thinking about their reblion . 

[Digger1967]

you missed one thing , the mages didn"t  wanted to help . it wasn"t FIONA  in val rayaux that invite you it was alexuis , with magic to look like fiona , he invite you  because he know that he will get their before you using time magic  , he use time magic, to go there and fool  the foolish fiona and  get control on the mages 
when you came there it s already missed up .
for the templars the seeker you meet in val royaus is endeed  the envy demon ,  and if you remaque ser baris wanted   the templar to help the inquisition but they order him to not question and folow order .
so the one that actually wanted to help are the templar but the demon stoped them from helping . 
and the mage didn"t porpose help cause it wasn" fiona it was alxuis . the mages where  in redclift  and was only thinking about their reblion . 

 

Ok, never heard that it was Alexius in Val Royeux rather than Fiona.  Sort of curious what you use to support this idea?  I mean from a story perspective, it just doesn't work.  If Fiona stays in Redcliffe and never goes to invite you to meet her and her fellow mages to talk, then Alexius wouldn't need to go back in time.  He could just do the whole impersonation thing, set up a meeting with you somewhere other than Redcliffe as a "neutral" site, lure you there and be done with it.  The travelling through time thing becomes completely unnecessary unless it is to stop you from meeting with the rebel mages, which of course you wouldn't be if you hadn't been invited.. by Fiona. 

 

Make sense?

[riverbanks]

Well I don't know of any "official' source that states that Fiona was brainwashed or put under the influence of some sort of mind altering magic but frankly considering Fiona's background it's the only thing that makes any sense in my mind.

 

Actually, if you consider Fiona's background, she doesn't need brainwashing at all to make any of the terrible decisions she made in Inquisition. Her entire history consists of her doing whatever she wants, whenever she wants; doing whatever it takes get her way at whatever the cost, no matter who it hurts, no matter how many people she has to steamroll over or who has to take the fall for her actions; and always finding something or someone else to blame, always some vague excuse or sob story to justify her terrible decisions, so she never has to take responsibility for her actions.

 

Forcing the mages into a war they never wanted, selling them into slavery against their will, turning a blind eye on the sacrifice of hundreds of tranquils, all just to prove a point; and then blaming it all on ~blood magic~ and ~idk time travel??? so she doesn't have to take responsibility for the cost of her actions? It's Fiona to the letter, no brainwashing necessary. She will have her way whatever it takes, but it's never gonna be her fault when her bad choices blow up in everyone's faces. Must've been blood magic.

[Amne YA]

You are right my freind . She must die

[Krypplingz]

"Our Southern brethren have no legal status in the Imperium. As they were not born citizens of Tevinter, they must work for a period of ten years before gaining full rights. As their protector, I shall oversee their work for the Imperium." -Alexius at Redcliffe.

 

So the deal is, Fiona and co. become citizens of Tevinter, Alexius deals with the legal issues and after 10 years the mages are "free in Tevinter". The plan as Fiona knew it was probably that they would stay in Redcliffe while Alexius finished up with the legal business and then they would travel to Tevinter. Alexius was probably planning to stay in Redcliffe to work on the time machine untill Calpernia arrived and took the mages off his hands. 

[Boost32]

"Our Southern brethren have no legal status in the Imperium. As they were not born citizens of Tevinter, they must work for a period of ten years before gaining full rights. As their protector, I shall oversee their work for the Imperium." -Alexius at Redcliffe.
 
So the deal is, Fiona and co. become citizens of Tevinter, Alexius deals with the legal issues and after 10 years the mages are "free in Tevinter". The plan as Fiona knew it was probably that they would stay in Redcliffe while Alexius finished up with the legal business and then they would travel to Tevinter. Alexius was probably planning to stay in Redcliffe to work on the time machine untill Calpernia arrived and took the mages off his hands.

It was Corypheus who took the mages, he killed Alexius and made them march from Redcliff to Haven.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Ok, never heard that it was Alexius in Val Royeux rather than Fiona.  Sort of curious what you use to support this idea?  I mean from a story perspective, it just doesn't work.  If Fiona stays in Redcliffe and never goes to invite you to meet her and her fellow mages to talk, then Alexius wouldn't need to go back in time.  He could just do the whole impersonation thing, set up a meeting with you somewhere other than Redcliffe as a "neutral" site, lure you there and be done with it.  The travelling through time thing becomes completely unnecessary unless it is to stop you from meeting with the rebel mages, which of course you wouldn't be if you hadn't been invited.. by Fiona. 

 

Make sense?

He's just making stuff up in that incoherent mess he just wrote. What really happens is that the meeting with Fiona is BEFORE Alexius does any time changes. In other words, had Alexius not intervened with time magic, Fiona would have first tried to discuss an alliance with the Inquisition but Alexius made it so that he got to the mages first and thus recruited them before the Inquisition even existed. Thus, Fiona at Val Royeaux is real Fiona before time magic shenanigans.

[Krypplingz]

 

It was Corypheus who took the mages, he killed Alexius and made them march from Redcliff to Haven.

 

 

 

Well at the templar route Calpernia is Corypheus general and she leads the Venetori who are Corypheus mage troops, so she assumably takes control of the Southern Mages to bolster her troops in service to Corypheus. And she is attached to Corypheus hips in In Your Heart Shall Burn. (Maybe not literally, but there is touching!)

[Boost32]

Well at the templar route Calpernia is Corypheus general and she leads the Venetori who are Corypheus mage troops, so she assumably takes control of the Southern Mages to bolster her troops in service to Corypheus. And she is attached to Corypheus hips in In Your Heart Shall Burn. (Maybe not literally, but there is touching!)

Yes, but Dorian says the Elder One went to Redcliff and made them march to Haven. Later he will say the Elder One killed Alexius for failling in going back and stopping the Inquisitor's meddling.

[LOLandStuff]

Fiona is the epitome of bad decisions.

 

I don't know where this whole blood magic mind control thing comes from, but it's a poor excuse. And I certainly don't remember her ever doing anything smart.

All her decisions are on the spur-of-the-moment.

[Digger1967]

"Our Southern brethren have no legal status in the Imperium. As they were not born citizens of Tevinter, they must work for a period of ten years before gaining full rights. As their protector, I shall oversee their work for the Imperium." -Alexius at Redcliffe.

So the deal is, Fiona and co. become citizens of Tevinter, Alexius deals with the legal issues and after 10 years the mages are "free in Tevinter". The plan as Fiona knew it was probably that they would stay in Redcliffe while Alexius finished up with the legal business and then they would travel to Tevinter. Alexius was probably planning to stay in Redcliffe to work on the time machine untill Calpernia arrived and took the mages off his hands.

Which isn't unworkable but if it takes the full ten years to resolve then the bargain has no value to Fiona because they are back at square one, they can't hold Redcliffe for that long against all the forces arrayed against them.

As to the other poster who thought this was typical of Fiona, we'll most of what I know of her is from Dai but I'm not seeing what she's getting out of this deal if you ascribe such selfish motivations.

She goes from being grand enchanter to Alexis stooge. If such where the case it would make more sense to betray her fellow mages in a much different fashion or abandon them all together.

So I came up with a backstory that makes sense, to me at least. Anyone who wishes can use all or part of it or disregard it completely.

[thats1evildude]

I personally believe that Fiona attacks the Inquisition due to fear and spite - fear of Corypheus and spite for the organization that allied with the templars.

[Amne YA]

the  only thing she feared is loosing th war let me explain
She was searching for alliance  what ever it was , just to not loose the war against the templars .
she wented to have inquisition help her in her war . just think about it people ,  she  say negoicate ,  she want inqusition help in the war in echange of selling the breach , that ****** !  when alexuis use time magic and go meet her before she meet you , she jump unto his arm what she was searching have been found someone to help her in her war . even if he was a magistral tiventer , she just don"t care ,  and when alexuis fail with dealing with the inq  , and coryphius came, she know the inquisition and templars are now together , she is afraind about the fact that the templar have now allies and can win the war .  so  she join coryphius , just to have power like templar did when they joined the inquisition . So  when she feelthat with Cory they can win the war against templar  now the inuqisition+templar  , it mean dealing wih 2 of the chantry  organisation in one time , she take the new forces cory give her ( the vanatory ) and march on heaven in the purpose  to win the war 
she may look deseperate and she do this to save the mages , but the sneeky bicth  wanted to win the war all the time

[Krypplingz]

Yes, but Dorian says the Elder One went to Redcliff and made them march to Haven. Later he will say the Elder One killed Alexius for failling in going back and stopping the Inquisitor's meddling.

"My name is Dorian Pavus, and I bring grave news from Redcliffe--An army of rebel mages, right behind me. They are under the command of the Venatori, in service of something called the "Elder one". The woman is Calpernia. She commands the Venatori. For that...the Elder One. They were already marching on Haven. I risked my life to get here first!"

 

So Calpernia and Cory went together to fetch the mages!. (But honestly, I'm being super petty right now. The blame lies on Coryphunus and he was the one who destroyed Alexius. I'm just to lazy to remember how to spell his name, so I used Calpernias name instead. )

 

 

Which isn't unworkable but if it takes the full ten years to resolve then the bargain has no value to Fiona because they are back at square one, they can't hold Redcliffe for that long against all the forces arrayed against them.

As to the other poster who thought this was typical of Fiona, we'll most of what I know of her is from Dai but I'm not seeing what she's getting out of this deal if you ascribe such selfish motivations.

She goes from being grand enchanter to Alexis stooge. If such where the case it would make more sense to betray her fellow mages in a much different fashion or abandon them all together.

So I came up with a backstory that makes sense, to me at least. Anyone who wishes can use all or part of it or disregard it completely.

 

Well I doubt Alexius said he would wait for 10 years. Maybe a week or a month, to get the most dire things out of the way and then they would head off. The mages could stay in his yard and eat grass for the next nine years.

Being a grand enchanter doesn't mean squat when the Circles have fallen. It's like being the principle of a school which was shut down for teaching cannibalism, your school is gone and your craft is looked down on. Being the servant of a High Ranking Magister is a much better position for Fiona in this  case.

 

But on friendlier terms, I like the second half of your theory (from the blood ritual part)and agree with it for the most part. 

 

The Seeker bit of it is contradicted by the book Asunder and Dragon age 2. The last Lord Seeker was not killed by Corypheus and the templar/mage war is an bubble issue which burst in Dragon Age 2. And Corypants has not been free for long, but he's super effective on Wardens and Mages. 

But it's still a good theory based on the facts you have to work with. (Sorry if I come of as aggressive. I'm just jittery)

[Digger1967]

the  only thing she feared is loosing th war let me explain
She was searching for alliance  what ever it was , just to not loose the war against the templars .
she wented to have inquisition help her in her war . just think about it people ,  she  say negoicate ,  she want inqusition help in the war in echange of selling the breach , that ****** !  when alexuis use time magic and go meet her before she meet you , she jump unto his arm what she was searching have been found someone to help her in her war . even if he was a magistral tiventer , she just don"t care ,  and when alexuis fail with dealing with the inq  , and coryphius came, she know the inquisition and templars are now together , she is afraind about the fact that the templar have now allies and can win the war .  so  she join coryphius , just to have power like templar did when they joined the inquisition . So  when she feelthat with Cory they can win the war against templar  now the inuqisition+templar  , it mean dealing wih 2 of the chantry  organisation in one time , she take the new forces cory give her ( the vanatory ) and march on heaven in the purpose  to win the war 
she may look deseperate and she do this to save the mages , but the sneeky bicth  wanted to win the war all the time

 

Ok, well if such is the case her bargain with Travintor really doesn't work well in her favor, Alexius can't bring enough troops, supplies, support etc into the fray without starting a full scale war with not just the Templars but all of Fereldon - and it's doubtful that would be a war he could win without the full support of the Imperium, which it's pretty clear he really doesn't have.

 

I don't really know a ton about Fiona other than what was presented in DA:I but she doesn't strike me as being a total fool, which really is the only thing that explains this bargain unless one allows for the possibility that she is being manipulated/controlled some how.  Her and the rest of the rebel mages just don't stand to gain that much from this alliance, unless the plan is to escape to Travintor almost immeditately.  Otherwise Alexius presence in Redcliffe is not going to be tolerated long by it's rightful rulers, and while they were caught off guard by his arrival and probably hoping not to turn this into a full scale war with the mages, they really can't afford to sit on their hands indefinitely.  Eventually they will have to act, and that most likely means allying with the templars and taking back what was taken from them.

 

So Alexius and his Venatori are not a long term solution for Fiona and her group.  Also, while Fiona might be their leader it's highly doubtful they follow her blindly and that she has complete control over the rebellion and all it's mages.  Again we have evidence of this seeing as how there is at least one faction that leaves Redcliffe and is warring with the Templars that she doesn't control.  More likely she is the 'leader" but isn't really able to strike a bargain like this without the support of others in the rebellion, which pretty much means some form of mind influencing magic is really the only thing that makes any sense here whatsoever.

 

Even if you ascribe the worst possible motivations to Fiona and assume she is the biggest fool that ever walked, I cannot see how it's possible that none of the other people who are in positions of authority in the rebellion would go along with this otherwise.  I'm also not certain why so many people seem to be so adamantly against this as a possibility, i mean it's not like there isn't evidence of Corypheous and his followers using mind control on the Wardens at the very least, even prior to the blood magic rituals Hawke and Varric talk about how Cory is able to get into the heads of the Wardens at the prison and turn them against one another.  Maybe it works better on them than it does on others because of the taint they carry.. that might be why he seems to be able to almost control them after a time whereas with others it might just be more difficult.

 

I guess for me it just resolves a lot of the story/roleplay issues I have with DA:I and sort of ties it together so it makes sense.  Like I said, if it doesn't work for you,eh..ok - don't use it.  Not like I'm getting paid for it either way.

[Amne YA]

1- she is a fool like everybody  remarqued  ,  you are saying she isn"t fool is just saying no to something true , like sky is blue no i see it red 
every body see the sky blue but you have the right to see it red , but we all see her not only as a foul but also a week and selfish leader of the rebel mages
2- the mages are following her , cause she have the best magic ability , mages follow better mages just like in the tiviter imperium where the strongest mage became Magister , so they are followiing and can not disagree with her 
3- she lead tthem to their fall

[thesuperdarkone2]

People seem to forget that an arl helped with the alliance with Tevinter