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[Amne YA]

hmm ,  they did bad thing but in their mentality in death sacrifice , so  for them it s acnormal action 
you should think in a point of veiw of their order 
in war victory mean victory is a must what ever the price 
in peace vigilance mean even if the blight is not here , they must moove and do things to be ready for the blight 
in death sacrifice mean sacrifing camarade or anyone is a good cause to top the blight 

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

One does not simply think sacrificing brothers in army to make a blood magic ritual to summon demon is a good idea.

Like I said, their action were damning, and it was foolishness, an act of desperation but their intention were good. They intend to kill the remaining Archdemons before they all perished. I may sound bias since I'm a fan of the Wardens, but I find them easier to sympathize with unlike Fiona, who betray her benefactor, and sold her people to Alexius out of desperation to save her sorry arse.

[Addai]

you need to check someof your info , the chantry is the big evil their . not the templar they lie to evry one even the templars .  do  ser baris mission and you will a true templar  act out of chantry influence  . that why i  restore the order and i promote ser baris to kight - Captain . under his lead the templar will be back to the  poeple who protect the mages and not hurt them ,and the poeple who ask question about the **** of the chantry and act with  their honor and not follow blind order .

It's true that Chantry ideology is part of the problem, but that only goes so far. Power corrupts and the templar order was due for being cut off at the knees. Since that happens no matter what, like I said, I'm satisfied.

Barris stays dead in my game because he keeps dying and I hate timed quests with a passion so I'm not backtracking to save him.
 

for fiona  their is no mind control or blood magic . their is no referance or condex entry . only poeple who side with the mage pop ip with this excuses to justify  her action .  i hane nothing against mages or her . but i think mages will be better  without her . 
she was tricked  by a time magic travel yes , but not  blood magic or brain wash , she joined with pure will .

Dude, you have your opinion, but the devs do leave some things ambiguous so absence of evidence isn't evidence. The guy who knows Alexius best and was actually in Redcliffe thinks that it's likely Alexius used blood magic to influence the mages there. Meanwhile we have Nightmare fueling people's fears of annihilation. I personally think Fiona had reasonable justification to go to Tevinter as a desperate fallback measure, but even if that weren't the case, there are mitigating factors in what she did and for what she becomes if the Inquisition sides with templars.

[Master Warder Z_]

Like I said, their action were damning, and it was foolishness, an act of desperation but their intention were good. They intend to kill the remaining Archdemons before they all perished. I may sound bias since I'm a fan of the Wardens, but I find them easier to sympathize with unlike Fiona, who betray her benefactor, and sold her people to Alexius out of desperation to save her sorry arse.

A wrinkly and hideous ass no less.

[Amne YA]

It's true that Chantry ideology is part of the problem, but that only goes so far. Power corrupts and the templar order was due for being cut off at the knees. Since that happens no matter what, like I said, I'm satisfied.

Barris stays dead in my game because he keeps dying and I hate timed quests with a passion so I'm not backtracking to save him.
 
Dude, you have your opinion, but the devs do leave some things ambiguous so absence of evidence isn't evidence. The guy who knows Alexius best and was actually in Redcliffe thinks that it's likely Alexius used blood magic to influence the mages there. Meanwhile we have Nightmare fueling people's fears of annihilation. I personally think Fiona had reasonable justification to go to Tevinter as a desperate fallback measure, but even if that weren't the case, there are mitigating factors in what she did and for what she becomes if the Inquisition sides with templars.

well if you saved him and did his operation in the war table your opinion will change  to 180 degree  but you don"t cause you can't kill a bench of red templar and go back in time; ok 
for  fiona and the brain stuf it s not my opinion it what the game is about ,  no one controlled her , stop inventing fake excuse that some one controlled her . alexuis did time magic to get to redclif befor she go to val rayaux that it no blood magic no brain **** , that what the game say , you invent things dud 

[Addai]

well if you saved him and did his operation in the war table your opinion will change  to 180 degree

Mm, yeah. Not likely.

for  fiona and the brain stuf it s not my opinion it what the game is about ,  no one controlled her , stop inventing fake excuse that some one controlled her . alexuis did time magic to get to redclif befor she go to val rayaux that it no blood magic no brain **** , that what the game say , you invent things dud

Dorian's dialogue about this is in the game, too, so your assertion that it's made up out of nothing is just wrong. That's about all I've got to say on the matter.

[Amne YA]

Mm, yeah. Not likely.

Dorian's dialogue about this is in the game, too, so your assertion that it's made up out of nothing is just wrong. That's about all I've got to say on the matter.

no you just want to make your opinion the right opinion what ever matter the others say . you not discuss you just throw your opinion on other , 
Dorian  question about Fiona behavior and action , he do not say that she was controlled or something .  
the game  do not give any single evidance about her doing  it with something controlling her .
so please stop  inventing things .  you are not convising me you just make me see my opinion was right ,  it may be not right for you cause you invented a story about her being controled , but this story do not  exist in my opinion so your opinion is not right for me 

[Addai]

no you just want to make your opinion the right opinion what ever matter the others say . you not discuss you just throw your opinion on other , 
Dorian  question about Fiona behavior and action , he do not say that she was controlled or something .  
the game  do not give any single evidance about her doing  it with something controlling her .
so please stop  inventing things .  you are not convising me you just make me see my opinion was right ,  it may be not right for you cause you invented a story about her being controled , but this story do not  exist in my opinion so your opinion is not right for me

You're the one dismissing any other view than your own as being made up and an excuse. Whatever dude. Have fun bashing Fiona. You've got a lot of company on this board.

[LOLandStuff]

If Fiona was a human, you'd be bashing the ineptitude out of her.

 

And not once did she show any sign of being mind controlled.

[Addai]

If Fiona was a human, you'd be bashing the ineptitude out of her.

Weak, even for a chucklehead.

[Amne YA]

he is right ,  you just stuck with one point of view  cause of you classe/race perspective 

[Addai]

he is right ,  you just stuck with one point of view  cause of you classe/race perspective

Because I agree with Dorian? Okay.

[LOLandStuff]

Weak, even for a chucklehead.

 Look at you, resorting to name calling. Tsk tsk tsk.

 

U mad?

[Han Shot First]

People frequently bash Fiona because she stumbles from one blunder to the next, betrays Redcliff after it gave the mages shelter, willingly allies with the Venatori, and allows tranquil to be murdered. There is not much to like about a character who alternates between incompetence and cold-hearted betrayal.

 

I thought the mages were more sympathetic than the templars in DA2, but it is hard to defend Fiona's actions in DA:I. She comes across as the most unlikable character involved in the Mage-Templar conflict.

[Amne YA]

the truth have spoken 

[Colonelkillabee]

he is right ,  you just stuck with one point of view  cause of you classe/race perspective 

 

 

 Look at you, resorting to name calling. Tsk tsk tsk.

 

U mad?

 

 

the truth have spoken 

 

You two are pathetic. Every time someone comes up with a reasonable argument, you lot only jump to ad hominems or berate the one who made said point. Rather than addressing it. That's for you and the others needlessly bashing characters and ignoring that there's more going on here than what's shoved in front for the dull minded.

[LOLandStuff]

Argument as in making up things?

 

Yeah, strong argument there. Can't argue with that, can I now.

[Colonelkillabee]

Argument as in making up things?

 

Yeah, strong argument there. Can't argue with that, can I now.

If by making up, you mean using what is known about Fiona's forgetfulness of her appearance in Val Royeaux, which can't be time travel because we'd never remember she was there if the magister changed the past... and the fact that he is indeed a blood mage, and Fiona was a slave in the past and would not reasonably trust slavers...

 

Then yea, making **** up.   Kinda like your accusation. Who's mad now, bro?

 

lol

[Amne YA]

You two are pathetic. Every time someone comes up with a reasonable argument, you lot only jump to ad hominems or berate the one who made said point. Rather than addressing it. That's for you and the others needlessly bashing characters and ignoring that there's more going on here than what's shoved in front for the dull minded.

i saif the truth have spoken on HAN shot first quote 

 

People frequently bash Fiona because she stumbles from one blunder to the next, betrays Redcliff after it gave the mages shelter, willingly allies with the Venatori, and allows tranquil to be murdered. There is not much to like about a character who alternates between incompetence and cold-hearted betrayal.

 

I thought the mages were more sympathetic than the templars in DA2, but it is hard to defend Fiona's actions in DA:I. She comes across as the most unlikable character involved in the Mage-Templar conflict.

 because he gived  REAL  argument and give much explication , not invented  a senario over a face reaction and a dorian suspection , so don"t use my quote while delating the quote i commented about , 

[LOLandStuff]

We remember because time magic worked only in a restricted area, not everywhere. Only those in Redcliff don't remember anything. But of course, some would rather ignore it.

 

Again, Fiona isn't even affected by any blood magic, else she'd snap out of it after all the Redcliff fiasco. She doesn't even mention anything about mind control. She's made a bad decision and people would rather blame everyone else but her.

[Boost32]

I still think the Fiona in Val Royeaux was the envy demon, he was already there and I think it would be impossible to Fiona to leave Redcliff alone, pass the templars deserters, enter Val Royeaux and speak with the Herald without no one noticing her and going back to Redcliff.

[Colonelkillabee]

i saif the truth have spoken on HAN shot first quote 

 because he gived  REAL  argument and give much explication , not invented  a senario over a face reaction and a dorian suspection , so don"t use my quote while delating the quote i commented about , 

This is not a "real" argument, it doesn't disprove anything that I just said. Try again? lol

[LOLandStuff]

I still think the Fiona in Val Royeaux was the envy demon, he was already there and I think it would be impossible to Fiona to leave Redcliff alone, pass the templars deserters, enter Val Royeaux and speak with the Herald without no one noticing her and going back to Redcliff.

 

Even an envy demon has standards.

[Colonelkillabee]

We remember because time magic worked only in a restricted area, not everywhere. Only those in Redcliff don't remember anything. But of course, some would rather ignore it.

 

Again, Fiona isn't even affected by any blood magic, else she'd snap out of it after all the Redcliff fiasco. She doesn't even mention anything about mind control. She's made a bad decision and people would rather blame everyone else but her.

First, we see that this isn't true because we time traveled and the whole world was effected.

 

Second, lore states blood magic can effect people without them ever knowing.

 

Try it again.

[LOLandStuff]

First, we see that this isn't true because we time traveled and the whole world was effected.

 

Second, lore states blood magic can effect people without them ever knowing.

 

Try it again.

 

We time traveled in the future. Alexius did it in the past. There's a difference.

 

Then Fiona must be weak-willed.