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[Amne YA]

First, we see that this isn't true because we time traveled and the whole world was effected.

 

Second, lore states blood magic can effect people without them ever knowing.

 

Try it again.

more invented argument , the game  say  their is no blood magic their is no brain control , the GAME say one trick is time magic to meet her before she came to val rayaux  is this hard to understand ? or you must play with the story to sweet your greed to  a pro magic walkthrought ?   
just don"t change the game fact for your self and throw  unreal argument, go try again 

[Colonelkillabee]

We time traveled in the future. Alexius did it in the past. There's a difference.

 

Then Fiona must be weak-willed.

LOL Okay.

 

He changed the future by doing something in the present, which was remove you from it. We were sent to the future and saw what happened when the past was changed. Since relatively, you being gone was a past event...

 

There is NO difference. Past present and future, all relative.

 

"Fiona must be weak-willed"

 

LOL yea, her and all the other mages and people manipulated by blood magic. Nevermind that it's a Tevinter Magister.

 

Sigh, you chuckleheads aren't even trying.

[Colonelkillabee]

more invented argument , the game  say  their is no blood magic their is no brain control

I'm starting to wonder if you've even played the game.

[Amne YA]

We always  find probleme with people that came late to a topic and don"t see the first page and just star throwing Quotes here and here 
We didn"t start the topic  by blaming her or any one  , people in this topic have played the game in all the possible ways and not 1 perspective of vew like you 
we started by putting the facts ,   every moove of every NPC , corrected  some point of veiws  some mistakes  that people that didn"t understand what happened their 
than we  finsihed by conclusion : 
the conclusion  camed from the facts  below : 
-Fiona came to meet you in val rayaux after she hear that the inquisition seek to allie with the templars  so she seek to propose her people over the templar in  an alliance that will help her people cause she is loosing the war against templar in the contre partie of sealing the breach . 
- alexuis use time magic i red clift  using his amulet of time magic ( that you see in mage quest )  to meet her before she came to val rayaux ,and befor you go to val rayaux , so she see the Magister as an oportunity for the mage rebelion . so she allie with him
it was a bad moove from a weak foolish leader ? what hard to understand ?   

[LOLandStuff]

It looks like I don't even need to try.

 

Chuckleheads? Really? Now who does that?

[Colonelkillabee]

You aren't saying anything that hasn't been said and refuted, like, two or three pages ago. I think we're done here.

 

Ttyl, gotta go anyway.

[Boost32]

But Conan, do you really think hundreds of mages could be influenced by blood magic? There were a few Venatori mages with them, how they would influence them all? Where they for so much blood to do that?
Dorian says in a banter with Bull that the rebels who didn't joined the Venatori either fled or were killed, he never mentioned blood magic. And if you are going to control them, why kill instead of mind controling them?

[Amne YA]

You can convice Pro mage people   , they will always find an excuse and argument , a story   , something to   prove they are right even ifthey aren"t , it"s  pretty sad

[LOLandStuff]

You aren't saying anything that hasn't been said and refuted, like, two or three pages ago. I think we're done here.

 

Ttyl, gotta go anyway.

 

Just like others have come with stronger arguments to refute yours. But you decide to ignore them and namecall people when you can't come up with something better.

[Colonelkillabee]

It looks like I don't even need to try.

 

And this is exactly what I mean, lol. 

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

First, we see that this isn't true because we time traveled and the whole world was effected.

 

As I understand it. The whole world was affected not because of the time travel itself, but because of the absence of the inquisitor that it created. 

[LOLandStuff]

And this is exactly what I mean, lol. 

 

Oh, you, you'll just ignore it anyway. And ask to try harder.

[Colonelkillabee]

But Conan, do you really think hundreds of mages could be influenced by blood magic?

No, which is why I said Fiona specifically.

 

 

Just like others have come with stronger arguments to refute yours. But you decide to ignore them and namecall people when you can't come up with something better.

You mean all those arguments you pointed out in response to mine? Right, lol.

 

K, this has sunk into needless bickering, and it gets like that when people have nothing better to say in response to a point. So like I said, done. TTyl

[Barquiel]

I thought "The Calling" made it rather clear that Fiona would under no circumstances willingly help a darkspwn magister, we know since DA:O that blood magic can be used to control minds and as far as I know (I never played the templar path) one of Leliana's war table missions reveals that the Venatori performed some kind of ritual on the remaining mages. But you can headcanon whatever you want, there's really no hard evidence either way.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

.... OHHHHHHHH. Ok. That actually makes the entire confusion she has make sense to me now. the only problem I see with it is, why does the Inquisitor and company still remember her meeting with them, though?

 

IF it involves time travel you're probably better off not trying explain it, because trying to figure out time travel paradoxes is a headache.

 

 

For example: all of the various items (ie weapons, armor, coin, potions, scematics etc) that you pick up in the dark future then bring backward in time and use said items in the present to help prevent said dark future wouldn't they cease to exisit once that future is prevented from happening and if that future never happened how does the Inquisitor and Dorian go it and gain items from a future that now didn't happened.

 

See what I mean? 

[LOLandStuff]

No, which is why I said Fiona specifically.

 

 

You mean all those arguments you pointed out in response to mine? Right, lol.

 

K, this has sunk into needless bickering, and it gets like that when people have nothing better to say in response to a point. So like I said, done. TTyl

 

 

See what I mean by ignoring?

 

I meant other posters comments, not mine.

[LOLandStuff]

I thought "The Calling" made it rather clear that Fiona would under no circumstances willingly help a darkspwn magister, we know since DA:O that blood magic can be used to control minds and as far as I know (I never played the templar path) one of Leliana's war table missions reveals that the Venatori performed some kind of ritual on the remaining mages. But you can headcanon whatever you want, there's really no hard evidence either way.

 

She doesn't even know Alexius is working for Corypheus and by the time he attacks Haven, it's not like she has any other choice.

[Amne YA]

See what I mean by ignoring?

 

I meant other posters comments, not mine.

 like i was saying he came late to the topic and didn't bother his self to see page  1 , and how we started putting pieces together and argument together  before we got the conclusion  ,he just pop from nowhere and star arguing

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I thought "The Calling" made it rather clear that Fiona would under no circumstances willingly help a darkspwn magister, we know since DA:O that blood magic can be used to control minds and as far as I know (I never played the templar path) one of Leliana's war table missions reveals that the Venatori performed some kind of ritual on the remaining mages. But you can headcanon whatever you want, there's really no hard evidence either way.

 

IIRC the war table mission only says that the venatori was doing a ritual, but not on any mages.

[Amne YA]

By the time of 9:37 Dragon, Fiona had been removed from the Grey Warden order. According to Fiona in Dragon Age: Inquisition she was made to leave when it became clear she could not again undertake The Joining after she was cured of the taint during the events of Dragon Age: The Calling. The animosity toward her by fellow Wardens who felt she cheated death had also become too difficult to bear and she realized she could do more good in the Circle.^[4] She returned to the Circle, ascending to the role of First Enchanter of the Montsimmard Circle^[5] before being elected Grand Enchanter--effectively the leader of the Circle of Magi. Her reentry to the Circle of Magi was largely driven by a desire to free her brethren from the yoke of the Templar Order. During a conclave in 9:37 Dragon, she called for a vote on whether to separate the Circle of Magi from the Chantry. Her move was thwarted by Wynne who successfully convinced the Circle to err on the side of caution.

 

[Amne YA]

she was cured from the taunt , she don"t hear the calling any more  , shei s a powerfull mage  , she  can"t be mind controlled , 
she  have greed to win the war against templar and that why she join Alexuis   cause he  meet her before she meet the inquisitor 
So people please check your info before star posting  and  judging other that know better than you 

[Colonelkillabee]

 like i was saying he came late to the topic

ROFL

 

http://forum.bioware...why/?p=18936629

 

Me on page one.

 

 

See what I mean by ignoring?

 

I meant other posters comments, not mine.

Then point them out next time, you have a quote button, smart one. I'm the one on the phone, and it's much more annoying for me, yet I can still pull it off.

[phaonica]

I suppose it's possible that Fiona was manipulated by blood magic, and there does seem to be at least a little suggestion (from Dorian, if I understand correctly) that this could be what happened. I'll come right out and say that I know I am biased because I hate mind control plots and so I don't WANT this to have been what happened, especially if the narrative doesn't suggest it strongly enough. So even though Dorian may suggest it, it still sounds like an excuse to me because there seems to be room for conjecture, but no real evidence.

[Boost32]

But Dorian never suggested it. All he said was he doubted the Venatori would leave the rebels a choice to join them. It can mean threats, blackmail, blood magic, etc

[LOLandStuff]

Then point them out next time, you have a quote button, smart one. I'm the one on the phone, and it's much more annoying for me, yet I can still pull it off.

 

You're not the only one surfing the internet on a phone. But that doesn't make it impossible to read a few pages back what others were saying instead of dropping in here and reading the last few comments that share your view.

 

But I get the feeling you just want to have the last word. Feel free to grab that chance.