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[Colonelkillabee]

You're not the only one surfing the internet on a phone. But that doesn't make it impossible to read a few pages back what others were saying instead of dropping in here and reading the last few comments that share your view.

 

But I get the feeling you just want to have the last word. Feel free to grab that chance.

No, I'm just tired of chumps telling me to read past arguments instead of just stating them, and we both know the reason is you don't have anything to counter what is being said. Instead, you, breadmax and the rest of the lot known as "chuckleheads" would rather just sit there and make jokes, make statements that say nothing to the point someone is making, all just to ignore the fact that your silly elf and mage hate is irrational as all hell.

 

I don't need the last word, though if you want me to not respond back, maybe stop quoting me. I am forced to type this on phone, and I should have taken my departure as a chance to end this, but I just can't let such silliness go I'm afraid. Basically, put up or shut up.

[Colonelkillabee]

she was cured from the taunt , she don"t hear the calling any more  , shei s a powerfull mage  , she  can"t be mind controlled , 
she  have greed to win the war against templar and that why she join Alexuis   cause he  meet her before she meet the inquisitor 
So people please check your info before star posting  and  judging other that know better than you 

You should know that the taint has nothing to do with blood magic effecting you... her being cured of it just removed traces of the taint in her.

 

Maybe take your own advice.

[LOLandStuff]

I so happen that my DAO and DAI mains are elf mages. Yet you don't see me fawn all over the rest and kiss their feet just because I play as one.

 

They all have their faults, at least I can admit that and not foam at the mouth.

[TK514]

If by making up, you mean using what is known about Fiona's forgetfulness of her appearance in Val Royeaux, which can't be time travel because we'd never remember she was there if the magister changed the past... and the fact that he is indeed a blood mage, and Fiona was a slave in the past and would not reasonably trust slavers...

The theory is simply based on what the game tells us/shows us. Time magic in DA:I is localized.

If you're asking folks to justify bad/inconsistent writing, well, you're going to be waiting a while.

[phaonica]

But Dorian never suggested it. All he said was he doubted the Venatori would leave the rebels a choice to join them. It can mean threats, blackmail, blood magic, etc

 

Is that right? Well, again. It's still possible, but there's still no evidence. I want to believe it was not a mind control plot, not because I have anything against elves, mages, or Fiona (that I know of) but because I hate mind control plots. They tend to undermine character complexity, excuse the burden of responsibility, and generally be used as an uninteresting way to insert a Twist into a story.

[Amne YA]

Yeah let's explique every thing with mind control
is pretty stupid
every caractère have his own behavior and complexity that it fiona is what she is

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Mind control has been Bioware's thing for explaining why factions turn evil lately. 

 

Cerberus was mind-controlled by the Reapers via indoctrination.

Heretics were mind-controlled by the Reapers via code being overwritten. 

Grey Wardens were mind-controlled by Corypheus via blood magic.

Templars were mind-controlled by Corypheus via Red Lyrium. 

Mages were mind-controlled by Corypheus via blood magic. 

[Amne YA]

It's not cool  ,  i think they should stop with this 

[BobZilla84]

Yeah way to go Fiona betray both the very mages you swore to protect by making them slaves to Tevinter oh and then betray your son Alistair who gave you refuge seriously great job.

You Imbecile

[Amne YA]

it s pretty fan when he kick hear out  from ferldan haha 

[Ynqve]

Fiona is an incompetent leader who got stuck with the idiot ball in DAI. But I thought it was clear that she was being manipulated and later mind controlled by the Venatori and Coryphyfish.

[Colonelkillabee]

They all have their faults, at least I can admit that and not foam at the mouth.

You don't know me very well, at all. Lol.

[phaonica]

Mind control has been Bioware's thing for explaining why factions turn evil lately. 
 
Cerberus was mind-controlled by the Reapers via indoctrination.
Heretics were mind-controlled by the Reapers via code being overwritten. 
Grey Wardens were mind-controlled by Corypheus via blood magic.
Templars were mind-controlled by Corypheus via Red Lyrium. 
Mages were mind-controlled by Corypheus via blood magic.

I don't know anything about ME, but I'm not entirely convinced that any of the DAI factions turned evil because of mind control, but rather that they made errors in judgment that basically amounted to them allowing themselves to be controlled.

Either the Grey Warden, Templars, and Mages all bear at least some of the responsibility for the mess they were in, or they were entirely innocent (of whatever conflict they raised in DAI) because they were being mind controlled.

The suggestion that any of them were entirely innocent makes any discussions about their motives mostly irrelevant because their being required to be mind controlled seems to suggest that they would NOT have done whatever they did if it had actually been up to them.

The Wardens would have not chosen to deal with demons, the Templars would not have agreed to consume Red Lyrium, or the Mages would not have sided with Tevinter, so any implications of their willingness to do so are irrelevant. To me, that sucks, because those implications are what make the individual conflicts interesting.

[Lumix19]

I don't know anything about ME, but I'm not entirely convinced that any of the DAI factions turned evil because of mind control, but rather that they made errors in judgment that basically amounted to them allowing themselves to be controlled.Either the Grey Warden, Templars, and Mages all bear at least some of the responsibility for the mess they were in, or they were entirely innocent (of whatever conflict they raised in DAI) because they were being mind controlled.The suggestion that any of them were entirely innocent makes any discussions about their motives mostly irrelevant because their being required to be mind controlled seems to suggest that they would NOT have done whatever they did if it had actually been up to them.The Wardens would have not chosen to deal with demons, the Templars would not have agreed to consume Red Lyrium, or the Mages would not have sided with Tevinter, so any implications of their willingness to do so are irrelevant. To me, that sucks, because those implications are what make the individual conflicts interesting.

I agree with this really. The choices the Wardens, Mages and Templars made allowed them to be controlled. That's the complexity of the story. Besides mind control is pretty necessary when it comes to these sorts of stories because who's really going to willingly side with Corypheus (except the Venatori of course)?

[Colonelkillabee]

It is indeed a sucky story progression device, but well, there is a pattern, so why not spot it out when in a discussion. I disliked this myself when the Wardens were said to be influenced by Fear. 

 

That said, they would have to be really big idiots to actually think they were all hearing the calling at the same time. It's never happened before, and judging from "The Last Flight", there's a lot more to the Calling than just voices and dreams. It would be very obvious that more was going on.

[LOLandStuff]

You'd think they'd at least try looking into it and figure out why this is happening or contact Weisshaupt instead of going into a mass hysteria.

[Amne YA]

 explications need to be made by bioware  

[phaonica]

It is indeed a sucky story progression device, but well, there is a pattern, so why not spot it out when in a discussion. I disliked this myself when the Wardens were said to be influenced by Fear. 
 
That said, they would have to be really big idiots to actually think they were all hearing the calling at the same time.

To me being "big idiots" seemed like a pattern as much as the subsequent mind control. At least with the Wardens and the Templars, there was actual evidence of subsequent mind control to somewhat balance the "big idiots" part. With the mages, as far as I can tell, there is not.

[Lady Artifice]

But Dorian never suggested it. All he said was he doubted the Venatori would leave the rebels a choice to join them. It can mean threats, blackmail, blood magic, etc

 

Exactly, it could mean a number of things.

 

The Colonel said it right when he pointed out that Alexius is a Magister, and thus potentially capable of controlling someone with a stronger willpower. 

 

Fiona is someone who did something reckless, foolish, and desperate and may have been influenced by blood magic as a way to keep her in hand. This is not a nonsense suggestion, but a rather reasonable inference based on the fact that Alexius is a powerful Tevinter Magister with every reason to resort to extreme measures himself. Why wouldn't he be prepared to manipulate her with magic? 

 

Not subscribing to it is fine, but dismissing it as silly conjecture is extreme. 

[Amne YA]

i think  she was stupid and their is no mind control like we all  have understood

[Lady Artifice]

i think  she was stupid 

 

Okay.

 

and their is no mind control like we all  have understood

 

Well, I don't think we all have. It's very possible she's not under the direct influence of blood magic, but that possibility doesn't, in itself, make the theory nonsense. There really isn't a very good argument against it, beyond the lack of explicit confirmation. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 explications need to be made by bioware  

They already have. 

 

Patrick Weekes, the new head of the Dragon Age team, was asked about whether the mages were brainwashed in DAI. The strategy guide was brought up saying they were, and Patrick said to trust the strategy guide on that. 

[Boost32]

But there is not a good argument for it too.
I remember the fabled codex entre that would proof the mages were brainwashed but no one knew where to find it.

[Boost32]

They already have. 
 
Patrick Weekes, the new head of the Dragon Age team, was asked about whether the mages were brainwashed in DAI. The strategy guide was brought up saying they were, and Patrick said to trust the strategy guide on that.

He said no such thing, he said he didn't remember and the guide might be correct, in the end he told the person who asked him to ask David Gaider.

[The Baconer]

Perhaps the survivors will learn humility.

How dare they deem to know what is best for all life, that conceit, that arrogance is physically revolting.

 

HMMMMMMMMMM.