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[CosmicGnosis]

A common complaint about the geth in ME3, particularly Legion, is that they contradict their philosophy from ME2. The orthodox geth of ME2 don't believe in receiving technological "gifts" from others because it will blind them to alternatives. They believe that the way a technology is developed provides a unique perspective that would otherwise be lost if you simply accepted the technology without creating it yourself. This is essentially the greatest expression of their fervent isolationism.

 

The heretic geth, however, believe that you should accept technology from others, even at the cost of your freedom. If the technology can give you what you always wanted, what does it matter if you lose part of yourself by using it? You don't have to work for it. You don't even really have to understand it. Just use it. It does what you want it to do. The heretic geth wanted full understanding and unity, and the Reapers gave it to them... somewhat.

 

Honestly, I think both factions are wrong. The heretic geth are obviously wrong, but many people still think the orthodox geth are right. They are not, and Legion's choices in ME3 reveal a transformation of their philosophy.

 

By the end of the Rannoch arc in ME3, the geth as a whole have accepted a more balanced philosophy that rejects the extremes represented by the two factions. Now the geth believe that accepting another's technology can be a great idea, as long as you can understand it and control it, and maybe even improve it; your unique contributions can provide new insight into a technology developed by someone else. The geth seized Reaper technology that was created to control them, repurposed it, and used it to improve their intelligence by several orders of magnitude. 

 

I think this is a fitting end to the development of the geth because it represents the re-unification of the two factions. By sharing their two perspectives, they finally understand each other again.

[SwobyJ]

Ugh but I thought a dyson sphere would be so cool though.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 I agree. Legion's quote about rejecting outside technology or shortcuts is an inspiring one ... to non-thinkers. When presented with an unknown variable that poses many dangers but many rewards, easier to think that the best thing to do is throw it away rather than accept the risks that come with it. No worries, peace-of-mind.

 

Third-world countries accept old and outdated supplies gifted to them by developed nations like the USA all the time. It gives them something to work with to develop their own technology, and they do not end up building things exactly the same way we do/did either, LOL! Legion's philosophy is not one to live by. He is quite flatly... wrong.

[Cheviot]

I think this is a fitting end to the development of the geth because it represents the re-unification of the two factions. By sharing their two perspectives, they finally understand each other again.

It also plays into a recurring theme in the Priority missions where a means of control is repurposed as a means to freedom.  For example, the Shroud is changed from a means to spread the genophage to spreading the cure, and in Horizon, the same equipment that jams outgoing communications is changed so it broadcasts a warning, and, in the end, the Crucible allows Shepard to use the Catalyst to free the galaxy from the Reaper threat.

[Iakus]

 I agree. Legion's quote about rejecting outside technology or shortcuts is an inspiring one ... to non-thinkers. When presented with an unknown variable that poses many dangers but many rewards, easier to think that the best thing to do is throw it away rather than accept the risks that come with it. No worries, peace-of-mind.

 

Third-world countries accept old and outdated supplies gifted to them by developed nations like the USA all the time. It gives them something to work with to develop their own technology, and they do not end up building things exactly the same way we do/did either, LOL! Legion's philosophy is not one to live by. He is quite flatly... wrong.

"Non-thinkers"?  Did you really just say that?

 

The whole trilogy demonstrated that Legion's fears have validity.  The galaxy for countless cycles blindly accepted the relay network.  They never built their own.  They never sought other means to travel between planets.  They had the relays!  They were always there, and they always would be there!  Hell, they never even bothered to discover just how old they were.   

 

And in doing this, they fell into the Reapers trap.  They were totally dependent on the relays and Mass Effect technology, and the Reapers took that away from them.

 

 

Legion's concerns are about understanding.  About seeing all options, not just taking the path others lay out for you.  It's about analyzing all perspectives and deciding for yourself what the "proper course" is.

[KrrKs]

There is still the possibility to take hints of how things might work. This still allows to develop alternatives.

Legion doesn't even want to do that.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

"Non-thinkers"?  Did you really just say that?

 

The whole trilogy demonstrated that Legion's fears have validity.  The galaxy for countless cycles blindly accepted the relay network.  They never built their own.  They never sought other means to travel between planets.  They had the relays!  They were always there, and they always would be there!  Hell, they never even bothered to discover just how old they were.   

 

And in doing this, they fell into the Reapers trap.  They were totally dependent on the relays and Mass Effect technology, and the Reapers took that away from them.

 

 

Legion's concerns are about understanding.  About seeing all options, not just taking the path others lay out for you.  It's about analyzing all perspectives and deciding for yourself what the "proper course" is.

 

Yeah, I don't think anyone is advocating blind use of technology, just that there is a valid middle-ground between that extreme -and- refusing technology just because it is foreign to you. There is no practical value in reinventing the wheel.

 

And deriding the mass-relays is silly. The Protheans, for one thing, prove Legion wrong. They used relay transit like anyone else did, and after the Reapers shut them down, they were still able to travel between star systems. Using the relays did not make them "blind to alternatives." They also understood how the relays worked enough to build a unique one, from scratch, with a very limited science team. Also, the entire thing backfired on the Reapers in the end.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Javik has some pretty good dialogue on this topic in Priority:Thessia at the asari Temple. After revealing how much his people helped the asari along, Shepard can react one of two ways: (1) acknowledging that the species of this cycle all owe a lot of their advancement to the Protheans (paragon); (2) saying that the Protheans were reckless in their methods of advancing primitive species (renegade). To the first, Javik affirms that the same was true of the Protheans, that they advanced in large part through what was left behind to them from the Inusannon (sp?). To the second, Javik responds by pointing out that this cycle would have stood no chance against the Reapers if they advanced at a slow pace, and that hyper-advancement with his people's help and others' has been its saving grace if anything.

[Iakus]

Yeah, I don't think anyone is advocating blind use of technology, just that there is a valid middle-ground between that extreme -and- refusing technology just because it is foreign to you. There is no practical value in reinventing the wheel.

 

And deriding the mass-relays is silly. The Protheans, for one thing, prove Legion wrong. They used relay transit like anyone else did, and after the Reapers shut them down, they were still able to travel between star systems. Using the relays did not make them "blind to alternatives." They also understood how the relays worked enough to build a unique one, from scratch, with a very limited science team. Also, the entire thing backfired on the Reapers in the end.

There's refusing tech because it's foreign to you, then there's studying the tech and adapting it to your own needs.  Which may not be the same as the person who invented it to begin with.  Staying open to other possibilities.

 

And no, the Protheans didn't prove Legion wrong.  Listen to what Vigil says.  The Protheans went down fighting, but never had a chance.  The Protehans were limited to standard ftl.  They had no other means of interstellar travel.  

 

And yes, tehy did have a prototype relay built on Ilos (using a very large science team.  The dozen or so who used it to get to the Citadel were the survivors.) But wouldn't it have been nice if they had an actual network of their own?  One the Reapers couldn't shut down?  Might have turned the tide.