Not every game is willing to carry over it's choices from the previous game. Eidos isn't willing to incur that cost of the save import or sacrifice other content. I don't blame them I actually appreciate more diversity in games, not all games with choices need a save import and not all games with choices need a canon.
It's lame they want to create some sort of weird mix of all 3 endings instead of just picking a canon ending.
Dude, what are you on about? You said changing the gender would change the plot, but there's absolutely no reason anything about Megan has to change if Jensen doesn't have a dick. We're not talking about changing the background or personality here.
No, I said it would change the plot between Megan and Jensen. Megan would either have to be made into a man or a woman but then, you'll have other people who aren't happy with one choice or the other.
As I said, there's no problems with set characters when they work well. You have other RPG's for customization.
It's lame they want to create some sort of weird mix of all 3 endings instead of just picking a canon ending.
I kinda agree. But that's how Deus Ex rolls. All endings plodge together to make a super canon ending.
That's if we acknowledge the existence of Invisible War, which we shouldn't. Because it's pure sin.
Not every game is willing to carry over it's choices from the previous game. Eidos isn't willing to incur that cost of the save import or sacrifice other content. I don't blame them I actually appreciate more diversity in games, not all games with choices need a save import and not all games with choices need a canon.
That's fine. But in exchange leave what is decided as choices in previous games ambiguous rather than assigning a canon outcome. Especially when it comes to characters fans like.
Edios and Square Enix would just make it not have happened in the next game anyway.
Okay, we get it. Carry-overs are not happening, we know.
I kinda agree. But that's how Deus Ex rolls. All endings plodge together to make a super canon ending.
That's if we acknowledge the existence of Invisible War, which we shouldn't. Because it's pure sin.
No, I said it would change the plot between Megan and Jensen. Megan would either have to be made into a man or a woman but then, you'll have other people who aren't happy with one choice or the other.
As I said, there's no problems with set characters when they work well. You have other RPG's for customization.
Again, dude, what? Megan is a woman. I'm not saying there should be a choice of gender, or race, or background, or anything.
I'm straight up saying what I've literally said three posts in a row, which is that there is no plot reason that ties Jensen to one gender.
That's fine. But in exchange leave what is decided as choices in previous games ambiguous rather than assigning a canon outcome. Especially when it comes to characters fans like.
Then you're limited in what you can do. By assigning a canon you eliminate and potholes you have to tread as you cement over the whole road. I despise ambiguity in games for the sake of not treading on anyone's toes. It gives the feeling of why the hell you even mentioned it in the first place!
Then you're limited in what you can do. By assigning a canon you eliminate and potholes you have to tread as you cement over the whole road. I despise ambiguity in games for the sake of not treading on anyone's toes. It gives the feeling of why the hell you even mentioned it in the first place!
Yes, it's not like they can just not have a character show up or something. Oh wait, that's exactly what they can do.
But no, let's anger some of the fanbase by selecting a canon ending for a character than leaving them just not mentioned because that'll help us get sales. It's brilliant.
Yes, it's not like they can just not have a character show up or something. Oh wait, that's exactly what they can do.
Then what's the point of having that character be alive then?
But no, let's anger some of the fanbase by selecting a canon ending for a character than leaving them just not mentioned because that'll help us get sales. It's brilliant.
Because it's their game? They can do what they want when they want?
Then what's the point of having that character be alive then?
Because at least then it feels like your choices and actions mattered. At least more than "lol nope, screw what you did.".
If they are going to not have choices matter, then don't have choice be one of the game's selling points.
It's lame they want to create some sort of weird mix of all 3 endings instead of just picking a canon ending.
We'll just have to hope it works better this time 
Because at least then it feels like your choices and actions mattered. At least more than "lol nope, screw what you did.".
If they are going to not have choices matter, then don't have choice be one of the game's selling points.
Choice and consequences within the game? Those types of things are possible. A game doesn't have to export their choices to the sequel for them to matter.
We'll just have to hope it works better this time
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Choice and consequences within the game? Those types of things are possible. A game doesn't have to export their choices to the sequel for them to matter.
If a standalone game, sure. If part of a franchise with a continuing story, they do need to transfer and affect future installments or they do not matter.
But what I'm saying is that making Jensen a woman doesn't have any plot blowback. It's not like 2020s USA would be homophobic, and Megan is only banging Jensen for his DNA. Having a dick isn't relevant to that part of the plot. That's my point.
Jensen is a fixed character in a lot of respects, but being fixed in terms of gender doesn't tie into the plot. His being a cop, how he was a cop, etc. that's all relevant.
It may not have been about the plot, but about other costs. It might have been prohibitive to hire another VA, have alternate lines, etc.
I mean, this game already lost Upper Hengsha and Montreal as hub areas. Maybe "Eve Jensen" was something they decided they simply couldn't afford.
That's fine. But in exchange leave what is decided as choices in previous games ambiguous rather than assigning a canon outcome. Especially when it comes to characters fans like.
As far as I know they didn't actually say that Malik is dead, she's just not making an appearance. Jensen doesn't seem to even work for Sarif anymore and Malik may have decided to not follow Jensen.
If a standalone game, sure. If part of a franchise with a continuing story, they do need to transfer and affect future installments or they do not matter.
Fast Jimmy can explain this a lot better than I.
If a standalone game, sure. If part of a franchise with a continuing story, they do need to transfer and affect future installments or they do not matter.
As long as the choices matter in the game they take place in, I do not care what subsequent games do.
Save imports are overrated. Learned that the hard way.
It may not have been about the plot, but about other costs. It might have been prohibitive to hire another VA, have alternate lines, etc.
I mean, this game already lost Upper Hengsha and Montreal as hub areas. Maybe "Eve Jensen" was something they decided they simply couldn't afford.
Again, I'm not saying they should have made Eve Jensen. All I'm saying is that it wouldn't need to change Megan's gender.
Well, I guess I won't be starting Mankind Divided with the gear I accumulated in HR. Shame.
All I want is the gameplay to feel less stiff. Jumping and going into cover should feel seamless when pressed and not make Jensen feel robotic.
Maybe remove the large energy requirement for melee and other tasks and remove third person take downs and just have an animation instead.
More weapons is always welcome and augmentations is a given and they are always welcome.
I also like the customization on the fly but doesn't this mean that weapons will no longer have permanent customizations like human Revolution?
Maybe larger maps and an even bigger city hub with it's own missions in it like Detroit.
Also, I would like the more straight forward guns blazing option to be more satisfying and to give you more XP in having more creative kills. I remember that knocking out or stunning enemies gave you much more XP than killing them.
More powerful augmentations that can physically change how the character looks. I only remember using the typhoon twice, but it never really changed how Jensen looked.
Any more pics?
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Guys, Why am i getting the feeling that they will use the Taggart ending as canon? I mean the Illuminati are still there in the shadows, So that rules out the Darrow ending, And people hate augmented citizens, Obviously, So that rules out the Sarif ending, My choice. And Adam is still alive, So that rules out the Self Destruction ending. What do you think?
Guys, Why am i getting the feeling that they will use the Taggart ending as canon? I mean the Illuminati are still there in the shadows, So that rules out the Darrow ending, And people hate augmented citizens, Obviously, So that rules out the Sarif ending, My choice. And Adam is still alive, So that rules out the Self Destruction ending. What do you think?
The announcement trailer shows Jensen floating in the water, which has some people thinking that destruction is the canon ending and he managed to survive it somehow.
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The announcement trailer shows Jensen floating in the water, which has some people thinking that destruction is the canon ending and he managed to survive it somehow.
That might actually work. But if so, Why the sudden change of mood when it comes to what people think of augmentations?
That might actually work. But if so, Why the sudden change of mood when it comes to what people think of augmentations?
It has been 2 years since Human Revolution, so quite a few things could have happened since then.
As far as I know they didn't actually say that Malik is dead, she's just not making an appearance. Jensen doesn't seem to even work for Sarif anymore and Malik may have decided to not follow Jensen.
There was a leak that said her death is canon. Everything else from the leak has been confirmed.
That might actually work. But if so, Why the sudden change of mood when it comes to what people think of augmentations?
The augmented people were still hacked and attacked people. The mistrust comes from that.
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