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[Saphiron123]

Firstly, this is clearly a post (your OP) focused on selfish motivations: your desire to see the character you played return. To talk about selfiness in this context is silly - any request for a feature is selfish. That it happens to benefit others with identical tastes doesn't change that part of it.

There is a huge downside with your idea: the absolute waste of resources going to realise your HOF return, going to the incredibly expensive VO cost, the physical storage related issues (VO uses up a huge and not of disk space).

There is the further cost of a plot that has callbacks and that continues to draw back NPCs from DAO that should have been left well enough alone.

That's putting aside concerns related to the quality of the story or debates about whether your ideas are actually consistent with the lore, which of course I disagree with entirely.

And I never said I didn't want the HOF back. I said I don't want YOUR HOF. If they wanted to bring back my anti-Warden mage I'd be happy play it.

Dude, I wasn't calling you selfish. I was referring to selfish dialogue options that would let the PC do what when was doing, not for the order, but for him because he didn't feel loyal to the wardens.

Seriously. Defensive much? I'm trying to find a way to bring back the hero in a way that would appeal to as many fans as possible, you're the only one being insulting. Let's leave it at that, I apologize for not being clearer, let's not derail the thread with a dumb argument about nothing.

[AlanC9]

If the how at least tries to cover both camps of people who want to see the warden and worry it'll be screwed up, I think it makes sense. Why not? 

Beats a "Hey, screw you guys because I don't want to see the warden" approach that many seem to take up. There's no downside to the ideas people posted for people who want a new PC, I just collected the best into one spot.

 

From your proposals, you want Bio to expend a fairly large amount of resources on something I find worthless. Either a lot of the next game's content will be stuff I don't want, or there will be a whole DLC I don't want.

 

It's perfectly OK for you to ask for this. But it's also OK for me to ask Bio to put the effort into something else.

[Saphiron123]

The vast majority of them started by you. Think about that for a second.

 

 

 

 

Trust me on this: There are many ways to get nowhere.

Nope, one to bring him back, one in reaction to Weekes' comments, and this one. Since release day.

No need to be a jerk, if you need to give others a hard time, cool, but it doesn't have to be here. Not going to keep my opinions to myself because you disagree, and there's many, many people with me on this. I just thought there were cool ideas in past threads, it doesn't affect you at all.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

So write out the love interests too, then? A lot of people would be gone over that. Meanwhile the LIs are involved with the world and the warden has a mission, so no sunset is on the table... they had that, then they brought him back in a codex entry.

They could have let the warden rest, instead they gave him a more interesting mission then they gave the inquisitor. Kind of the problem, really.

 

Yeah sure, why not. Leliana is barely noticeable in DAI and yet I loved her character in DAO. Dragon Age is about the world of thedas and not any one character so I'll be glad if we never see Leliana,Alistair and Morrigan again. Zevran is the only one who needs one comeback once to even the appearances with the other 3.

[AresKeith]

Yeah sure, why not. Leliana is barely noticeable in DAI and yet I loved her character in DAO. Dragon Age is about the world of thedas and not any one character so I'll be glad if we never see Leliana,Alistair and Morrigan again. Zevran is the only one who needs one comeback once to even the appearances with the other 3.

 

Out of the four, Morrigan has a higher chance of returning

[In Exile]

Dude, I wasn't calling you selfish. I was referring to selfish dialogue options that would let the PC do what when was doing, not for the order, but for him because he didn't feel loyal to the wardens.

Seriously. Defensive much? I'm trying to find a way to bring back the hero in a way that would appeal to as many fans as possible, you're the only one being insulting. Let's leave it at that, I apologize for not being clearer, let's not derail the thread with a dumb argument about nothing.

My apologies for not reading well. Let's carve that up entirely to my failure.

But even in that case your approach isn't an actual answer because you don't get the issue. It's not about selfiness. DAO had plenty of selfish GW options: you get some with Wynne talking about how being a GW means people have to serve you.

No, the issue is identifying with the Wardens. Pure lawful good heroes who want to save Ferelden for the sake of saving Ferelden with absolutely reward could still not want to be GWs for lots of reasons (including seeing the GWs as actually being to amoral to be heroes and rejecting their ends justify the means values espoused).

But going beyond that your idea doesn't work for the reasons have listed: substantial investment to make it work, disk space issues, plotting issues, retreading characters, etc.

I'm sure this idea makes you happy because you get what you want. But it does not give us what we want.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Out of the four, Morrigan has a higher chance of returning

 

Her story seems to be going no where in each game so I'll be glad if they hurry up and wrap it.

[Saphiron123]

My apologies for not reading well. Let's carve that up entirely to my failure.

But even in that case your approach isn't an actual answer because you don't get the issue. It's not about selfiness. DAO had plenty of selfish GW options: you get some with Wynne talking about how being a GW means people have to serve you.

No, the issue is identifying with the Wardens. Pure lawful good heroes who want to save Ferelden for the sake of saving Ferelden with absolutely reward could still not want to be GWs for lots of reasons (including seeing the GWs as actually being to amoral to be heroes and rejecting their ends justify the means values espoused).

But going beyond that your idea doesn't work for the reasons have listed: substantial investment to make it work, disk space issues, plotting issues, retreading characters, etc.

I'm sure this idea makes you happy because you get what you want. But it does not give us what we want.

Which is why a new PC option would be perfect... it'd let people keep their headcannon with a few dialogue tweaks, open up silent protagonist types to new voiced characters and let their HoF be silent if they choose, while allowing everyone to play what would hopefully be a good story and let HoF enthusiasts who want to see their companions and actually be remembered again do so.

Nothing will ever be perfect, but at least those of us who want it can have closure, and while it would change some dialogue, there'd be a fantastic game for everyone if bioware writes the way we all expect (or hope) them to.

I'm looking for middle ground. The onyl other option is those of us who miss the warden never see him again, and we get stuck with characters we just aren't as fond of... unfortunately, the inquisitor fell short.

[Captain Wiseass]

Nope, one to bring him back, one in reaction to Weekes' comments, and this one. Since release day.

Yeah, and that's pretty much where the majority of the discussion about it has taken place. I can think of one other thread off the top of my head, and, like the ones you started, the stumping for the return of the Warden was mainly dominated by you and one other guy (who I'm not 100% sure isn't also you).

 

Don't claim a silent majority on this. You'll only embarrass yourself.

 

And have you considered that, by endlessly harping on this bête noire and refusing to take "No" for an answer no matter how patiently it's explained to you how unlikely this is to ever happen, you're being kind of a jerk yourself?

[Saphiron123]

Yeah, and that's pretty much where the majority of the discussion about it has taken place. I can think of one other thread off the top of my head, and, like the ones you started, the stumping for the return of the Warden was mainly dominated by you and one other guy (who I'm not 100% sure isn't also you).

 

Don't claim a silent majority on this. You'll only embarrass yourself.

 

And have you considered that, by endlessly harping on this bête noire and refusing to take "No" for an answer no matter how patiently it's explained to you how unlikely this is to ever happen, you're being kind of a jerk yourself?

Not being rude about it, but you kind of are. And a lot of people mention the wardens in a lot of threads, warden centric or not... people aren't going to take no as an answer because you say it because you aren't bioware and their vision changes with every head writer and we care about the series same as you. The fact I have a thread in the forum doesn't hurt you in any way shape or form.

And yeah, I'm posting this for me, with some neat feedback from others that honestly has it's own merits even without the warden. A silent protagonist option would be very cool, for instance.

It's cool if you disagree, but I'm not embarrassed to be here, and I don't feel that my making a thread based on stuff I've read that sounded cool is offensive to you, and as for jabs like being multiple people etc hey, take it somewhere else and let people do their thing. Nobody is saying you have to agree, let's just agree to disagree, and leave it at that.

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Anyway, back to the topic at hand, people who agree with some of these ideas weigh in, and people who don't as well!

[Captain Wiseass]

Whatever, Caillou.

[SofaJockey]

... Anyway, back to the topic at hand, people who agree with some of these ideas weigh in, and people who don't as well!

 

The Warden was a terrific character.

 

BioWare have explained clearly and consistently that they will not be revisited for ample reasons.

And that's the end of it as far as I'm concerned and a reasonable decision on their part.

 

By all means explore possibilities,

but it would need to be in a section for fan fiction.

[Vader20]

I have a real hard time understanding people's obsession with the Warden...

[S Seraff]

I wish they hadn't brought Hawke back, and I'm glad to hear they have no plans to bring the Warden back.

 

Saying, "here's how you can give me what I want and it works for everyone," is never going to actually work for everyone. The resources required to implement all of that would result in a watered-down game. It would be far better to leave the Warden behind.

 

At this point, it would be better to leave most of the characters behind, because the effort required to accommodate characters with multiple fates in a game as complex as Dragon Age is far more than the results are worth.

 

if they want to leave past characters behind they need to move the story into the future, when they're all dead. otherwise, this is a challenge i wish BW would step up to. 

[Lord Raijin]

I don't want the warden back and I especially didn't want my Hawke returning back, but Bioware gave you people what you desire, and we ended up with a crappy main story just to bring back Hawke.

 

No thank you! The Warden had his/her story let it die out. Theirs future hero's to get attach to.

[Vault_Tec101]

I have a real hard time understanding people's obsession with the Warden...

 

Though I personally wish for the warden's return as a protagonist in the next iteration I do have the feeling that it is not the warden's return that is wanted rather the feelings. general atmosphere, and execution of DA:O. It is harder to pinpoint exactly which aspects of DA:O were liked, list those and say you are in favour of them than to simply state you are for the character at the centre of it all. It may be that we associate all that was well done in DA:O with the warden and thus hope that with the warden's return comes a newer, better DA:O. In the end I can only speak for myself and there may be other reasons why some wish for the warden back.

[Dai Grepher]

You have 3 twice.

 

I think the naysayers should remember that these suggestions allow for the option to not have your Hero show up in this new game.

 

So there is no harm in doing it this way. Let those who want to see the Hero again get what they want, and you can get what you want by selecting the option to not have your Hero return.

[SofaJockey]

You have 3 twice.

 

I think the naysayers should remember that these suggestions allow for the option to not have your Hero show up in this new game.

 

So there is no harm in doing it this way. Let those who want to see the Hero again get what they want, and you can get what you want by selecting the option to not have your Hero return.

 

I think that would be a significant resource usage for a fringe activity,

and besides which an option that already is confirmed not to be happening.

[Fidite Nemini]

Want the Warden, play DAO.

 

It's the better game anyway. /opinion

[caradoc2000]

Hey, what do they call doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results again?

Enchantment!

[10K]

I'd rather them focus on another game with the inquisitor.

[Sunnie]

/sigh

[Snook]

They've already said they're not going to twice now. I'm not content with where they left the Warden either, but come on mate.

 

At this point I just want them to leave my Warden and Leliana alone for the rest of the series. I'll gladly move on if they stop pulling her and people close to her back into it. 

[Brockololly]

The Warden is my favorite Bioware protagonist ever and even I don't want him back. Just give people a happy Warden ending where he/she lives their life in peace with their LI (or alone if they don't have one) and be done with it.

 

Then BioWare needs to get the memo that they have to stop dragging back old Origins love interests and thrusting them into main plot roles minus the Warden. It's kind of hard to have a "walk off into the sunset" ending with a given love interest character when it's BioWare that can't "Let it go" with old romanceable companions. BioWare keeps dredging up old love interests and putting them in main plot roles and having major events happen to them where they barely react to being in a romance with the living Warden.

 

So sure, leave the Warden alone, just as soon as BioWare leaves Leliana, Morrigan, Alistair and Zevran alone too.

[Imryll]

The best way to bring back the warden is as a statue in Weisshaupt honoring her sacrifice.