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Ardygon

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Hi,

 

There might be another thread about this but I have not found it.

 

I've finished the game and also completed the last DLC. I've done all the table missions and collected all the logg camps, stone quarries. But Skyhold still looks like a bum castle, walls still being half built, prison room has no wall and floor is still broken, towers has no roof and npc's has bedrooms in such tower rooms.

 

Is it just me or shouldn't Skyhold look complete when you've finished the game?


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Hi,

 

There might be another thread about this but I have not found it.

 

I've finished the game and also completed the last DLC. I've done all the table missions and collected all the logg camps, stone quarries. But Skyhold still looks like a bum castle, walls still being half built, prison room has no wall and floor is still broken, towers has no roof and npc's has bedrooms in such tower rooms.

 

Is it just me or shouldn't Skyhold look complete when you've finished the game?

 

It rather depends on whether the priority of the Inquisition is to fully renovate the castle or to deal with Corypheus.

For reasons of diplomacy it makes perfect sense for the main hall to be fully renovated, but the prison or corridor to the war room are not for public access.

Resources are so stretched that the Inquisitor still has to continue to collect resource requisitions personally.



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It rather depends on whether the priority of the Inquisition is to fully renovate the castle or to deal with Corypheus.

For reasons of diplomacy it makes perfect sense for the main hall to be fully renovated, but the prison or corridor to the war room are not for public access.

Resources are so stretched that the Inquisitor still has to continue to collect resource requisitions personally.

 

That makes sense if the inquisition is still fighting Corypheus but when the game is complete, one would think that renovating the castle should be top priority. To have a commander sleeping in a room with no roof is kind of a bad idea. (Talking about Cullens bedroom)

They could have made it very easy to fix this, add table missions for when Cory is dead, to renovate the castle.


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Bioware is always lazy like this. In Mass Effect 3 after the Citadel is attacked not one person thinks to clean up all the broken glass on the ground. No matter how much time passes no one picks up the glass.... Same with Skyhold. Oh is there rubble on the floor leading to your war room? Bah it looks fine there just try not to trip...
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Bioware is always lazy like this. In Mass Effect 3 after the Citadel is attacked not one person thinks to clean up all the broken glass on the ground. No matter how much time passes no one picks up the glass.... Same with Skyhold. Oh is there rubble on the floor leading to your war room? Bah it looks fine there just try not to trip...

 

Ha. Have you tripped once?

I think not...  ;)



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Agreed, the "Major Upgrades" quest is a joke, there esthetic upgrades in which should be called minor upgrades. Skyhold is just a glorified party camp from Origins.


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I hope we get some DLC to actually allow us to renovate Skyhold. The ramp that goes between Cullen's office and passes behind the stables is still broken even after the endgame. Even Cullen's bedroom have a hole in the roof.



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Agreed, the "Major Upgrades" quest is a joke, there esthetic upgrades in which should be called minor upgrades. Skyhold is just a glorified party camp from Origins.

An upgraded garden has Neria the Keeper strolling around in there. Also, the military hospital doctor is hilarious. I was only really disappointed with the mage tower, because it really didn't do anything.

 

Then again, I'm easy to please - I declared one of the rooms on the galleria above the courtyard garden "my" quarters, because the actual Inquisitor's quarters are ridiculous. I actually forgot about its existence until the very end of the game, or when you are teleported there by a cutscene.



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I hope we get some DLC to actually allow us to renovate Skyhold. The ramp that goes between Cullen's office and passes behind the stables is still broken even after the endgame. Even Cullen's bedroom have a hole in the roof.

 

Before they close the book on this games dlc for damned certain they really need to do a final "fix" that will make this now vastly important Thedas political hub actually look the part; and not have the many incomplete sections and rubble still lying around unaddressed by those often seen standing around throughout the game? How much more effective would it have been to see laborers working on those scaffolds?

 

The dungeon needs repairs, the thruway to the war room needs tidying up, there are habitable spaces in the upper ramparts that should be put into use.

 

And while I do not expect it to be the case, given that the Black Emporium is coming soon, I would not mind seeing that be accessible through a convenient Eluvian situated perhaps somewhere within the guts of Skyhold?



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I'm continuously surprised that Cullen hasn't caught and died from pneumonia throughout that game. What with the giant gapping hole in the ceiling above his bed.



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I'm happy that I'm not the only one that has an issue with this. :)


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In Kotaku, a fan question was

"Were there ever any plans for Skyhold to be attacked during the game? It seems a lot of "fixing up" the keep is geared towards that. Any chance that any DLC will involved the stronghold of the Inquisition being directly attacked at Skyhold like what happened at Haven?"

Mark Darrah answer was

"Actually, we never did plan that (performance concerns) but it would have been nice to play with your toy, wouldn't it?"

So i think Perfomance issues and maybe lack of time, but maybe they are thinking of doing something in the future, so that we can play with our toy more :P

Here is a link to the discussion http://kotaku.com/ko...uisi-1694123219



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I would really love some DLC that allows us to renovate/make customized cosmetic changes--like how you can have a "Fereldan" or "Free-Marcher" theme, I would love to see a Dalish (or otherwise Elven) or Qunari themes!

 

I mean like I don't expect the the Sims, but I liked the small customizations would could make, and it would be nice to have more. 

 

I'd also really like it if they would expand on Skyhold's lore, though I have a feeling they might be saving that for the next game. 



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I would really love some DLC that allows us to renovate/make customized cosmetic changes--like how you can have a "Fereldan" or "Free-Marcher" theme, I would love to see a Dalish (or otherwise Elven) or Qunari themes!

I mean like I don't expect the the Sims, but I liked the small customizations would could make, and it would be nice to have more.

I'd also really like it if they would expand on Skyhold's lore, though I have a feeling they might be saving that for the next game.


Oh god I hope the next game is not in Skyhold or even anything to do with the Inquisition...
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Oh god I hope the next game is not in Skyhold or even anything to do with the Inquisition...

 

Same honestly?! I wouldn't mind if the Inquisitor returned but I'd rather not have a rehash of all the areas we've already explored. I'd prefer it if any content related to Skyhold was DLC only but I'm not hoping for anything anymore. 


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This game runs long enough as is, and I have no problem with that at all. But. Setting a follow up game in the same locale, as cool as it may be, is not a good idea. I doubt that this is the plan, since according to Mark Darrah [see Sotaklas post above] it never occurred to the devs to actually stage an important battle or anything at our cool base that just screams "COME ON, NOW!!"  to the rather lame Corypheus?


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Do you think the base for the next Dragon Age protagonist, assuming there's another DA, will be a fortress again? Just thinking about how we've gone from a camp to a mansion to Skyhold across the games.

 

Maybe the next one will be... on a boat. I don't know.  :D



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Maybe the next one will be... on a boat. I don't know.  :D

 

I like big boats, I cannot lie  ;)


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Do you think the base for the next Dragon Age protagonist, assuming there's another DA, will be a fortress again? Just thinking about how we've gone from a camp to a mansion to Skyhold across the games.

 

Maybe the next one will be... on a boat. I don't know.  :D

 

I think it'll depend on who/what groups the PC is associated with. Like in Inquisition it makes sense to have a fortress bc the Inquisition is a professional organization housing hundreds (though it's waaaaay under-utilized storywise, like Fearsome1 mentioned), but in DA2 you were just hanging around your home town so thus the house, and in DAO (excluding Awakening) you're isolated from the rest of your organization and on the move constantly, so, camp. 

 

I hope the next game is somewhere we haven't seen/spent a lot of time in (ideally outside of Southern Thedas? But maybe Antiva or Rivain?), and if it's going to play as little a role as Skyhold did in Inquisition I'd just as soon go back to having a camp as the base of operations. 

 

But a boat would be fun--though Isabela may already have that covered haha. 


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I like big boats, I cannot lie  ;)

 

I hear Isabela has a big one.


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Do you think the base for the next Dragon Age protagonist, assuming there's another DA, will be a fortress again? Just thinking about how we've gone from a camp to a mansion to Skyhold across the games.

Maybe the next one will be... on a boat. I don't know. :D

Actually my theory is that the new protagonist will take charge of a captured and magically modified Qunari Dreadnaught
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Actually my theory is that the new protagonist will take charge of a captured and magically modified Qunari Dreadnaught

 

That sounds great. Airship or water vessel?

 

DA goes steampunk! Let the wild rumpus start!



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That sounds great. Airship or water vessel?

DA goes steampunk! Let the wild rumpus start!

Water vessel, but with Lyrium runes set into the hull.

They'll keep the war table mechanic. Isabella will be our military advisor and wear a big hat.

Though if Bioware were to come out with a steampunk RPG, I'd be first in line :)
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Yeah, we've discussed this topic before, but it still deserves conversation. I, too, wish we could fix up Skyhold.

 

I guess I was expecting more in the way of "upgrades". There is the garden, the tower, and the courtyard, so, three possible upgrades.

 

But I've found a gazillion quarries and lumber camps, and have nothing to do with them.

 

And there are whole sections of Skyhold that just sit there for the entire game, with no purpose. I have a hard time reconciling this in my mind, you know? I mean, I get it, but I don't like it. I would love to be able to make those extra rooms into something. I don't know what, but something. 

 

...

 

On a similar note, I was sad to discover that there were only three keeps to capture. I really thought/hoped there would be one in each area. That aspect of the game was so much fun, I just wanted to keep doing it. :D