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[andy6915]

I've done both a rival and friend path as a mage before, but never as a romance. Which seems to work better? And which gets you the line from Fenris along the lines of "a finer mage I have never met!"... I want to hear that line, fits with the romance. Anyone know which path gets that? Maybe both paths?

[Dutchess]

I really enjoy both, especially like rivalmance with a mage Hawke because that Hawke seems to have the most vested interest in arguing with Fenris about magic. If you can handle Fenris taking out some of his anger on you, I'd give that path a shot. If you prefer interactions with a calmer, more agreeable Fenris, go with friendship. He's more at peace on that route and pushes Hawke away less.

 

The "a finer mage I have never met" is friendship, non-romance only I'm afraid. You'll need to take the flirt option to continue his romance there (Act 2 Questioning Beliefs), and that leads to another dialogue path. The conversation ends romance-related. But on both friendship and rivalry Fenris will express his respect for a mage Hawke.

[Beregond5]

I personally go with friendmance. Rivalmance is a lot more passionate, I'll be the first to admit that. On the other hand, it's a lot sweeter to see Fenris learning to love even *that* side of Hawke's, rather than just accepting it as a necessary evil.

[andy6915]

But on both friendship and rivalry Fenris will express his respect for a mage Hawke.

 

I know that much. I've done many playthroughs, quite a number as a mage and quite a number of THOSE have been both rivalry and friendship paths. This will just be the first time I'm feeling like doing his entire romance for once, and what better class than as a mage for him?

 

I'm leaning towards rivalry, and a lot of the reason is because my last playthrough (rogue) was on the friend path. I like to keep things shaken up, so I'm partly wanting to do rivalry again just so the dialogue is a little new feeling again. Still, I'm still actually considering the choices... If I decide friendship will work better, then I'll pick it anyway.

 

Wonder who I'm going to rival? Unlike my funny rogue, I think I'll be diplomatic and friendly. Which will mean rivaling a fair number of the party, for moral reasons. Anders is an abomination, Merrill is a blood mage, Isabella is a selfish thief, so all 3 are people that a moralistic Hawke is going to have issues with. Sebastien I guess will be friend (ugh... Might rival him because... Sebastian's friend path?... Again, ugh), and Varric and Aveline are DEFINITE FRIENDS. My rogue friended just about everyone, with how charming and live-and-let-live he was. But this Hawke will definitely be more judgmental, be a complete paragon of a mage who is a spirit healer who hates blood magic AND abominations like Anders is and disagrees with selfish people. Fenris is the only one I can't decide. And, ugh, Sebastian I guess since friendship makes sense for my planned Hawke but I hate friend Sebastian. But you know what? Who cares about him, Fenris is the one who I actually give a damn enough about to give more than a minute of thought about.

[andy6915]

I'm going to go friendship with Carver too, come to think of it. She would be the type to try to patch their relationship up after having lost one sibling already, try to stop butting heads with him all the time. This will be... Challenging, considering how far into rivalry he starts at.

[Dutchess]

If your Hawke is going to condemn Anders and Merrill for what they do and want to friend Carver, it seems to me you're going to be better off friending Fenris as well. You will have to make several pro-Templar choices in A1 if you want to max Carver's friendship (only possible if you have the Legacy DLC), and that's the kind of stuff Fenris appreciates as well. 

You could leave Fenris at home when doing those quests and still rival him, but personally I prefer raking up rivalry points through magic-related issues and disagreeing about beliefs (e.g. telling him Kirkwall is your home now during Speak to Fenris instead of pining over Lothering) rather than being aggressive and unsympathetic all the time. You can do a rivalmance that way, but Fenris is already pretty angry when rivaled and if Hawke is being extra douchey as well, it can hurt the idea of the romance. At least it does for me, haha. 

[andy6915]

If your Hawke is going to condemn Anders and Merrill for what they do and want to friend Carver, it seems to me you're going to be better off friending Fenris as well. You will have to make several pro-Templar choices in A1 if you want to max Carver's friendship (only possible if you have the Legacy DLC), and that's the kind of stuff Fenris appreciates as well. 

You could leave Fenris at home when doing those quests and still rival him, but personally I prefer raking up rivalry points through magic-related issues and disagreeing about beliefs (e.g. telling him Kirkwall is your home now during Speak to Fenris instead of pining over Lothering) rather than being aggressive and unsympathetic all the time. You can do a rivalmance that way, but Fenris is already pretty angry when rivaled and if Hawke is being extra douchey as well, it can hurt the idea of the romance. At least it does for me, haha. 

 

Well that is a decent point, but... It's also not. That would mean dragging Fenris to most quests I'm also going to be dragging Carver, and they have the same fighting style. What would be the point in dragging 2 characters with nearly the same fighting style to the main mission? And there's plenty of ways to get rivalry with Fenris without being a dick or being mage related. Like when the slaver in act 2 tells you to hand over the slave, I can respond with working out a deal because Hawke always sound very sarcastic when they say it (as if they're mocking the slaver). Right there gets a big rivalry point. And I'm a mage. As in with 1 single dialogue choice during the mansion quest where I select "power", I can get a whopping 25 rivalry right then and there. Only denying Merrill that mirror tool gets a bigger boost in rivalry in the entire game. Mage Hawke makes Fenris damn near effortless even without being a dick or taking him to most mage missions.

 

In short, I still have a choice.

[andy6915]

I went friend. I cheated a bit and refreshed my memory by looking at some Youtube clips of friendship Fenris and rival Fenris, and decided a romance makes more sense on a friendship. In the same conversation Hawke can say "we're not friends" to him, the dialogue choice to hook back up (act 3 questioning beliefs)... What? What kind of lovers aren't also friends? You know, besides Stockholm relationships that are sure to fall apart at some point with a bad breakup? None that I know of. Other rival-mances make sense, but Fenris' just plain doesn't.

[aoibhealfae]

I prefer Friendmance Fenris.. mostly because he GLOWS when you grab him... ahhhhhh

 

In RivalMance, its easier to be a mage hawke with him. Although there were some parts of it that made me want to smack my Hawke's face but its really fun to see them arguing. One thing that suck was he would refuse the sword gift and if you choose Mage in the end, he would want to fight you with the templars... I think in my future playthrough, the only renegade I'd do with his romance was keeping his sister alive than having her killed in Friendmance. Like seriously, Leto! She's FAMILY!

[springacres]

Actually, you can be pro-mage and still friendmance him.  I personally find that path easier to swallow, especially for a mage!Hawke.  I just can't bring myself to rival him yet (I fully intend to do a rivalmance for comparison's sake, but we'll see whether that actually happens.  Probably have to wait till I start my Templar supporting blood mage playthrough, though.)

[andy6915]

Wow, this got bumped. Well it wasn't needed, I figured out which path to take a LONG while ago now. Since the 9th in fact, as my post above says.

[Inkcharm]

My Hawke was a mage, very pro-mage during the whole game, and friendmanced Fenris. I liked that path for them best, storywise, as it felt like Fenris, while still harboring deep distrust/hatred towards magic/mages, was growing towards being more receptive towards things. I liked that while he still expressed when he thought Hawke was doing the wrong thing, he was also willing to stand behind her and fight for her cause without fuss. I liked how the entire romance clicked together like that.

[springacres]

My Hawke was a mage, very pro-mage during the whole game, and friendmanced Fenris. I liked that path for them best, storywise, as it felt like Fenris, while still harboring deep distrust/hatred towards magic/mages, was growing towards being more receptive towards things. I liked that while he still expressed when he thought Hawke was doing the wrong thing, he was also willing to stand behind her and fight for her cause without fuss. I liked how the entire romance clicked together like that.

This is the route I'm going with my (probable) canon!Hawke.  Fenris is pretty clear that he still distrusts mages, but he's willing to admit that maybe not EVERY mage is a Danarius or an Anders waiting to happen.

[Inkcharm]

This is the route I'm going with my (probable) canon!Hawke.  Fenris is pretty clear that he still distrusts mages, but he's willing to admit that maybe not EVERY mage is a Danarius or an Anders waiting to happen.

 

Yes, exactly! I can understand it being such a slow process for him - he's only ever seen the bad examples, and Kirkwall isn't helping there. But he does admit that mage!Hawke is different, and if you're not a mage, I think he admits the same about Bethany. It might be disgustingly saccharine, but I just prefer for my own personal DA canon for him to be more relaxed/at peace with Hawke, and becoming comfortable enough to grow. /such a sucker for all things happy.

[Ecol-i]

I personally prefer a friendmance with Fenris/ mage Hawke, there's just too much bickering on a rivalmance and kind of gets in the way for me; plus Fenris can be a pretty sweet tavinter elf and that's definitely a side I like seeing more often than the bitter elf when it comes to his relationship with hawke... I just love the whole idea of him melting for a mage Hawke...

[springacres]

I personally prefer a friendmance with Fenris/ mage Hawke, there's just too much bickering on a rivalmance and kind of gets in the way for me; plus Fenris can be a pretty sweet tavinter elf and that's definitely a side I like seeing more often than the bitter elf when it comes to his relationship with hawke... I just love the whole idea of him melting for a mage Hawke...

And he does melt.  (OP, I know you made your choice already, but Fenris romance is too sweet not to keep talking about.)

[andy6915]

(OP, I know you made your choice already, but Fenris romance is too sweet not to keep talking about.)

 

As long as people are enjoying this thread, go ahead and keep discussing in it.

[Catilina]

How Hawke can rival with Fenris, if Hawke not evil?

 

My all Hawke was with mages, strongly: "ALL mages must free!"

 

And always have in group Fenris and Anders both (except if we going for Aveline's quest, and needed Fenris or Anders kick from group), but Fenris alwas like/love Hawke, and Anders too... (Anders was always on 100% – its too easy, Fenris was 80–100% friend)  I can rivalize only Merrill and with the stupid Carver

 

How Hawke can rival with Fenris then? Not easy with a „good” char...

[Melbella]

How Hawke can rival with Fenris then? Not easy with a „good” char...

You just have to make sure to take him with you whenever you help mages and don't send them to the circle. Also, support mage freedom in all dialogues with him. I personally don't like the rival path for Fenris, but it wasn't hard for my blood mage Hawke to do, even if he was a nice guy.

[Catilina]

You just have to make sure to take him with you whenever you help mages and don't send them to the circle. Also, support mage freedom in all dialogues with him. I personally don't like the rival path for Fenris, but it wasn't hard for my blood mage Hawke to do, even if he was a nice guy.

I said: my Hawke always have Fenris and Anders in group, and do not sent back the mages to the dangerous Kirkwall circle, and always sent Meredith to the Abyss, but Fenris always have friendship with Hawke. ("Whatever you need, I am ready to assist." or "I'm yours") 

 

Maybe my Hawkes's strong blood magic helped affect his mind ...