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[Stabbath123]

I didn't understand what the OP meant by SPOILER at the end. There some other companion you can get not listed that is a surprise? I can't think of any, probably kick myself once I read a reply to my question though.

[Stabbath123]

Lord Phoebus wrote...

wwwwowwww wrote...

There is a great mixture of personalities within the group. What are you wanting? A bunch of mindless drones that do and say everything you say with no complaints?

I did enjoy the banter between my Icewind Dale II companions quite a bit.  Having said that, I would like some more professionalism and fewer psychopaths and crazies in the party.  I'm getting tired of being the camp therapist and factotum in these games.

Yeh, I left Shale in the cage and killed that efl assassin. Just didn't make sense to have them travel with me. One was a child killer, the other tried to kill me and worked for my enemy. I'll force myself to deal with them this time through, for a change I guess.

[Stabbath123]

wwwwowwww wrote...

Xalena wrote...

I had all companions at 100% friendly+love interest in the end except Sten which was at 95% (friendly), done his personal quest and Oghren who was around 80% or something can't remember+done his personal quest, I recruited him later in game and so couldn't find any more gifts for him which would make his approval very high. But ye I agree companions are abit irritating. Often before I would talk with someone I would save game before so I don't get dissaproval , aswell I knew where on which location and situation some members will dissaproval so i didn't take them with me. Yea call it a cheating but no other way ^^

Please don't take this the wrong way, but...........

I could care less what people, including friends, think about me in real life, why the hell would I care what video game characters think?
I mean I am who I am, either like it or don't like it, but I'm not trying to please anyone.
 
Why do you feel the need to get everyones approval as high as possible? 

For the buffs.

[Stabbath123]

at least on the PC version, higher approval gives stat bonuses and opens up quests which leads to more exp and loot. So caring about what they "think" makes sense to me.

[ArathWoeeye]

Stabbath123 wrote...

I didn't understand what the OP meant by SPOILER at the end. There some other companion you can get not listed that is a surprise? I can't think of any, probably kick myself once I read a reply to my question though.

Yes, he used "spoiler" instead of the secret companion's name.
It may not come as a surprise to everyone of course, but he's dubbed the secret companion.
http://dragonage.wik...ecret_Companion

[maxernst]

Actually, for a Bioware game, I found the companions less irritating than usual...maybe because I could see where most of them were coming from, even if I disagreed with them. I have to wonder what all these people who found Alistair too whiny thought of Aerie in BG2 and who find Morrigan too arrogant thought of Anomen and Jaheira.



And as others have pointed out, being a leader of a party of adventurers is not like commanding an army. I have to wonder if the OP has ever played a pen & paper RPG...being party leader doesn't mean everybody takes orders like a good little soldier. And if you look at who you've assembled in your party, the fact that there's some friction is not surprising. Alistair spent ten years being trained to kill people like Morrigan; that's not exactly a normal situation you encounter with colleagues at work.

[Schurge]

Disregard, for some reason this got posted even though I canceled it.

Modifié par Schurge, 11 février 2010 - 07:28 .

[soignee]

Alistair is pretty much the puppy you can't kick, unless you are a complete sociapath. Once you find out his backstory, and what Duncan meant to him, you understand his behavior; he's sort of fumbling through, really; he hasn't had much life experience in anything. Also: funny. Very, very funny. He's a very reliable tank too, no idea why people fail at using him.



Morrigan is the dark horse I cannot work out in all my playthroughs, and I can never work out her intentions or if she even likes my characters. When my Brosca visited Orzammar palace and her drunk mother was inflicted on the group, Morrigan says something along the lines of them being similar, and it got me thinking. I can't work out if Morrigan wants to break free from her Mother or will turn into her/ out like her eventually, and I think only the writers know the answer to that one. Always respec her to heal or pure DPS; shapeshifting is lulzy and useless.



Shale: is awesome. Everything from the bird thing, the calling of "it," the flirting with Sten.... Pure lulz. Also oh lordy can she do some damage, and as a tank? Superior. I am going to miss her most of all from a gaming point of view due to her skills and what she brings to the party, frankly.



Dog: (happy Bark!) Even though he stayed at camp due to my play style choices, still funny to have along.



Leliana: I couldn't warm to her, and on my upcoming 3rd playthrough I will try to romance her to see if that changes; her "faith" and "little girl lost" demeanor wasn't appealing. I made my two other playthroughs rogues (what can I say, I like stabbing stuff) with maxed out lockpicking so she could stay at camp and sing nice elven songs instead.



Zevran: I love him. He is a product of his childhood and upbringing, and makes the most of it, and when he admits he's in love it's the sweetest thing ever. I made him an archer due to my main being a melee rogue type and he more then holds his own.



Oghren: Drunk dwarf warrior stereotype yes; not bad as offtank, like Sten really, in terms of play style. From a RPG pov, he's interesting as he shows up the horrible side of dwarven culture (if your player isn't one) what with the caste system and his reactions to it. Would rather take Shale out of the warriors for DPS, but if I had to pick, Oghren would go over Sten.



Sten: a product of his Qun philosophy, not a bad offtank and damage dealer, but mostly stayed at camp as I don't like running a too melee heavy group. Also: COOKIES.



Wynne: I've always dismissed her as the (annoying) voice of duty, but have read party banter between her and Alistair that makes me feel bad for the life she's had. Excellent healer, especially with her plot spell thingie, which is a free lyrium pot.



Secret Companion: Not yet unlocked him, and I feel I should- but I know I will lose Alistair this runthrough if I do. Ah, meta gaming.

[EccentricSage]

OP didn't bother with getting to know the characters, I guess.  There's a lot more to them than the obvious.  Each of them also has reasons for why they are as they are, as well as some realy possitive aspects to their personalities.  Sometimes they hide things from you as well, like shame.  Zevran for instance isn't cold hearted.  If he hadn't embraced being an assasin, he wouldn't have survived long, so he burried his emotions as best he could.  Sex obviously fills the void that was left since he was never allowed normal relationships and afection. 

Wynne has been through a lot and is very wise, but not always right.  Be patient, she will also comend you for your leadership, and admit if she was blatently wrong about a certain something.  She also isn't as judgemental as other characters... she looks for the good side of her companions, like with her convo with Alistair about your NPC's relationship with Morrigan.  She may unintentionally come of as condescending, like when she initialy tries to breach the topic of regrets and redemption with Zevran, but she also puts up with a lot of getting picked on.  lol

I've also heard that characters will srprise you at times with their reactions to choices.  Zevran in particular.  But I don't want to spoil it.  You'll find that he does have some standards and does care about people... he just sees killing as a necasary part of life, because of how he was forced to live in the past.  He turns out not to be a cruel person.

Morrigan I'm still not sure about.  I can understand why she is so cold... she was very isolated and her mother may very well be the sociopath that both legend and Morrigan say she is.  It's natural that she would have a very survivalistic and selfish outlook on dealing with others, and find it hard to understand why people choose to be subjugated in order to have security and peace.  But she is too manipulative for me to trust.  Though a part of me wants to... she has some wonderful dialogue with your character.... there is a beauty in the way she sees the world, and in her pride.  But she readily admits that she is manipulative and selfish, so that is that.

And the Dog is a dog. 

Sten... I don't like the culture he comes from.  I can understand how it shapes him, and respect his sence of duty and honor, but I can not reconcile his complete refusal to chalange his own ideals and hear what others have to say.  He is a blind fool, and an arogent one at that.  But who knows, maybe he'll surprise me... I'm only nuetral with him.

Only just got Shale.  So don't know yet.

Leliana does get on my nerves at times... I like the fact that she has her own views on spirituality and tries to breach the subject with respect during her NPC banter.  But I don't like the fact that she hides what she was, plays innocent chantry girl, but then was never actualy sorry nor repentant for what she did.   If she were honest about this, it wouldn't bother me.  But I have far more respect for Zevran who is strong and embraces who he is and won't apologise or pretend to be repentant.  Lel just seems so incensere.

Alistair... I love his sence of humor, but hate the whiney moments and the self rightiously hypocritical Templar side of him.  I wish there were dialogue with Alistair where I could confront him about it, because I am afectionate towards him, but ugh, he needs a slap in the face the next time he freeks out about rogue mages and how they HAVE to be controlled for the welfare of others.  Pisses me off.

CptPatch wrote...

Sarielle wrote...
If they all
got along and all had some....I don't know what sort of personality
you'd consider acceptable, actually, since you pretty much slammed
every one of the companions'...the game would be infinitely less
entertaining.

What I would expect from a group, in particular a militarily-oriented group are some realistic Group Dynamics.

What
we are looking at throughout DA:O is a group model that looks like a
spoked wagon wheel.  EVERYBODY bonds with the Hero to some degree, but
there's next to nothing in the way of bonding between the companions. 
If anything, _nearly_ all of their interactions between each other --
though funny as hell sometimes, actually would prompt them to keep
their distance from one another.

Consider Zevran for instance. 
He has the libido of a rabbit and his theme music should be "Double
your pleasure, double your fun".  Given how charming and ingratiating
he can be, he should be trying to get into the bedrolls of Leliana, Morrigan, and Alistair.  Instead, he only has eyes for the Hero.

Then there's Leliana and her bard/minstrel background.  She should be like the group's private USO show.  Instead, she just saves it all for the Hero.

And, and, and....

Usually,
people thrown together in life-or-death situations usually form
friendships that highlight their similarities instead of focusing on
their differences which make them more standoffish from one another. 
The closest thing that you have to friendship between companions is
Wynne expressing her maternal instinct -- which is NOT so much creating
friendships but rather positioning her in the role of Knower of What is
The Right Thing to do in All Situations.  She's more of a chaperone
than a friend to anyone.

Out of the entire group, the ONLY thing
akin to friendship between companions that I've seen in 5 playthroughs
is the relationship between Sten and Dog.  And that isn't so much friendship as it is just mutual respect.

I agree.  From what I understand, EA didn't give them enough of a budget to flesh out character interactions any firther.  It was the part of the game that was alocated less resources.  Undervalued, basically.  I hope they can point to the character specific fandoms that are blossoming when they do a sequel so that EA will let them make the character interactions a higher priority.

I would have loves to have seen random scenes trickered by NPC dialogues triggered when you get back to camp.  Like a scene with Zev trying to teach Leliana to dance after their convo about if they danced at the chantry. 

I also would have liked there to be confrontations between characters when we get back at camp, that I could ether let play out and not interfere with, or else interject and have dialogue options, ether takeing sides, trying to difuse the situation, or trying to play diplomat.  Seeing how this would efect the character's aditudes towards eachother, myself, choices I'm made, would be facinating.  I realy realy realy, want to confront Alistair in particular about how judgemental and even hypocritical he can be at times in reguards to our companions.  It realy irls m,e that, despite having hated the monestary or whatever it was, and despite saying he's not that religious, he still buys into the Chantry and Templar's propaganda unquestioningly and is downright rude to anyone who doesn't live within the perscribed social structure and laws of the Chantry.  I loved it when Zevran kind of called him out on being a hypocrit that one time.  I'm team Zevran, all the way.  XD

Modifié par EccentricSage, 16 février 2010 - 05:29 .

[Alyka]

If you scratch the surface of the companions you learn a great deal about the world around you.(Aside from their personal opinions.)

Alistair- You learn a little about who Arl Eamon is,what a Grey Wardens life is like, how to kill the archdemon,Cailan,what's involved with becoming a Templar,and a peek into how the noblemen operate behind closed doors.(ie: sending him to a Chantry because Isolde was afraid of the rumors that Alistair was Eamon's bastard son.)

Leliana- What Orlais is like, the difference between Bards and Minstrels and what their purpose is,what life is like in the Chantry,how using honey instead of vinegar is sometimes better to work through problems.

Morrigan- Who Flemeth is and her tale,what the Korkari Wilds are like,how shapeshifting is useful,how to think for yourself and not be easily influenced by what you're told,and survival is key.

Zevran- What Antiva is like,how The Crows operate, what an assassin does,and how to take advantage of opportunities.

Wynne- What it's like to be a Circle Mage and old,how the Circle of Magi operates,that spirits watch people from the Fade,and how to look at things in a positive way.

Sten- What Seheron, Parvollen,and the Qunari life is like,the Qunari plan to invade Ferelden,and that duty is important.

Dog- That Mabari are not only smart but loyal.They also have a sense of humor.

Shale- What it's like to be a golem,what their purpose is and how they're made.

Oghren- What Orzammar is like,what a dwarfs life is like,and what's involved with being a Berserker.

Art imitates life and so in order to fight a worldwide threat,you must learn to work together regardless of differences.
Or be doomed because of impatience and self importance.

Pride.
It's what turned the Tevinter Mages into darkspawn, plaguing the world............

Modifié par Alyka, 16 février 2010 - 06:21 .

[simplificationizer]

I like most of them, except for Cpt. Patch. Worst. Companion. Ever. Extremely intolerant; no one is ever good enough for him, and he makes sure to rub it in at every chance. Whenever someone falls in battle, it's NEVER his fault, even that time when he dropped a firebomb at our feet.

[aaniadyen]

Know what this thread title reminds me of?



"Montaron, you are so aggravating! 'Tis disturbing to my demeanor!"

[oldgass]

Frankly if I could figure out how to do the game alone I would. It would be real nice if the npc`s had the same basic premis as I do. IE Build an army, Put down Loghain, Deafeat the Blight. Lady`s and Gentlemen of the NPC gallery pick one please. I would not care in what order they think it should be done. Just as long as that was thier end goal.

"Hive mind control" you sure thats working?



So you have all the random mobs, all the non random mobs, Loghain, Howle, and thier respective armies, the Arch demon and his crew of allies, and your party to deal with. Could live get anymore interesting.

[Wolfaura]

I like most of the characters. Alistair is my fave I found him amusing and adorable his awkwardness has a certain charm and I felt sorry for him. Though his Templar ways can be annoying when he can't see what is best. He is a good tank, I'd always have him in my party.



Morrigan is kind of strange, but she seems to be all about power, strength and survival, she doesn't seem to like the weak. She's ok even if she's a cow, but that's how her life has taught her to be.



Wynn seemed motherly, kind of like a mentor. I liked her alot too. A very useful healer.



leliana a bit annoying, but I found her tales interesting. And she became my characters best friend.

never used her in my party as my character was already a rogue.



Shale, liked her unique abilities, hated her voice though. She ended up broken in my game. I could use her to fight in my party and she would appear in my cut scenes but I wasn't able to talk to her anymore, any time I tried the terrain beneath would change and I'd end up in the middle of no where on a weird hill and would get the screen saying activate golem and then you'd say the password and it would say it didn't work.



Iam not a dog person, I guess he's ok though for a fugly dog.



Oghren is ok, I did find him entertaining even though he is a vulgar drunk. But that's understandable considering how harsh a place Orzammar is.



I never recruited Zevran as I felt like I couldn't trust having an assassin with me.

And Sten gave me a creepy feeling so I left him behind.

And I never recruited Mr. Secret.



I've completed the game with my good character. I played through most of the origins which I found fascinating and made me more informed of the bigger picture.



Decided to make a evil dwarf noble and recruit all the characters I didn't. And do the not so good things this time through. Being horrible to Alistair since he'll have to go. It's hard trying do do mean things, it makes me feel bad about it :s Sten I don't like much so far.



Zevran kind of annoying, but haven't had either of them in my party long enough to know them more yet.

[Taiko Roshi]

Stabbath123 wrote...

wwwwowwww wrote...

Xalena wrote...

I had all companions at 100% friendly+love interest in the end except Sten which was at 95% (friendly), done his personal quest and Oghren who was around 80% or something can't remember+done his personal quest, I recruited him later in game and so couldn't find any more gifts for him which would make his approval very high. But ye I agree companions are abit irritating. Often before I would talk with someone I would save game before so I don't get dissaproval , aswell I knew where on which location and situation some members will dissaproval so i didn't take them with me. Yea call it a cheating but no other way ^^

Please don't take this the wrong way, but...........

I could care less what people, including friends, think about me in real life, why the hell would I care what video game characters think?
I mean I am who I am, either like it or don't like it, but I'm not trying to please anyone.
 
Why do you feel the need to get everyones approval as high as possible? 

For the buffs.

This is true for the xbox as well, and is why I make sure to hand out the gifts towards the end of the game. I have to agree with the OP. None of the characters are that engaging for me. I sometimes only take Dog with me on missions because he doesn't go on and on about crap, I just wish he would S T F U in camp. In real life I would never let a dog bark that much, EVER! 

Conversations between Alister and Wynn are the worst. Some of them make my skin crawl.

Modifié par Taiko Roshi, 18 février 2010 - 12:18 .

[RedEyesOfWarning]

*big spoiler about the ending, I know it's allowed here but only fair to warn everyone*



The only character I couldn't stand was Morrigan. I thought once Flemeth was dead she'd get better but no, turns out she was just using me to get what she wanted. I can understand with Flemeth as a mother why she's so manipulative but understanding that doesn't make her any more likeable.



When I refused to do the ritual I was hoping I could talk her into staying, she does seem to genuinely like the Warden but no, world domination is far more important to her. Also I was a bit surprised she used Leliana (my love interest) against me like she did, "What about Leliana? You think she'd want you to die or be overshadowed by Loghain?".



I liked Leliana, Alistair and Loghain, Leliana because she's sweet and intelligent and not at all like the usual characters you get playing rogues in RPGs who all seem to have their personality copy-pasted from different flavours of demented sociopaths. Alistair because he genuinely wants to help and it's easy to feel sorry for someone so young who got thrown into the middle of a war. Loghain because he does what he thinks is right and if he sees the Grey Wardens or the current King as just idiots playing soldier while everyone around them dies he'll do what's necessary to make sure his land is safe.

[Nerdage]

Maybe you just aren't a people person?

[G-four]

Actually I like Morrigan and Zevran the best of them all. But I found none of them irritating. People should not judge them at all. We shouldn't use our sets of morrals to judge them that is just plain stupid.

[EccentricSage]

Taiko Roshi wrote...

This is true for the xbox as well, and is why I make sure to hand out the gifts towards the end of the game. I have to agree with the OP. None of the characters are that engaging for me. I sometimes only take Dog with me on missions because he doesn't go on and on about crap, I just wish he would S T F U in camp. In real life I would never let a dog bark that much, EVER! 

Conversations between Alister and Wynn are the worst. Some of them make my skin crawl.

I hope you never get a dog then.

Modifié par EccentricSage, 19 février 2010 - 08:11 .

[yodasmith00]

Time to play another game for a while.