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[helpthisguyplease]

 

Spoiler

To defeat that very ancient and powerful demon from the fade in the actual Fade?

[Dragonzzilla]

Let me quote something I saw on tumblr on this:
 

i submit this theory: hawke is the one to kill the nightmare.

We all know the choice reads “will likely die” to cover the Inquisitor’s escape. I suspect, no matter how heart-breaking Varric’s reaction is, that leaving Hawke behind is ultimately the right decision.

First: “The world fears the inevitable plummet into the abyss. Watch for that moment… and when it comes, do not hesitate to leap. It is only when you fall that you learn whether you can fly” that has already been pointed out before in relation to the quest, actually bloody called Here Lies the Abyss. It reads like a narrative connection, a clue—foreshadowing, if you will. Nothing is ever titled without a very specific purpose in mind.

Second, Hawke is the only person we have seen so far that has the ability to overcome the very essence of Nightmare: ancient, primal, debilitating.

Beyond any shadow of doubt, the Nightmare’s taunt for Hawke is the most gut-wrenching: “Did you think anything you ever did mattered?”

Because we all know, it did not.

This thing that frustrated us as gamers—the idea that no matter what decisions we made in an RPG title that usually lets us control the fate of nations, nothing changed—becomes the catalyst of Hawke’s character, the well from which they draw strength. Again and again, Hawke faces personal waking nightmares: from the Darkspawn attack on their home that claims one of the twins’ lives, to ultimately losing their other sibling (either to the Taint/Wardens, the Gallows, or the Templars), to the horrific death of their mother no matter how hard they fight, no matter what decision they make in the investigation of her murderer.

And then, Hawke has to face the nightmares of nations. An invisible war: the faithful spreading propaganda and crucifying heretics. A Qunari invasion of the city. An underground rebellion. Growing tensions between Mages and Templars that ultimately erupt into the start of a war. And then—personal again, even after all the loss: the lies of a lover, the unraveling of a friend, anger, betrayal, death—things explode around you, Hawke. And there’s not a damn thing you can do to prevent it.

All while remaining a pillar of leadership for the friends who have become family.

When there’s nothing left to do but survive, to hold those you love as close as you possibly can, you grow strong, knowing you’ve faced your worst nightmares again and again and you’re still standing.

This is the strength of Hawke.

It is the strength that will overcome the Nightmare, as it has overcome so many (so impossibly many; so unfairly many) before.

[myahele]

Torpor will save him eventually

[The Baconer]

No. Whoever was left behind is now Host of the Nightmare.

[Dragonzzilla]

Torpor will save him eventually

Eventually being the keyword.

[Deebo305]

Let me quote something I saw on tumblr on this:

I gotta admit that was....pretty convincing

Whoever thought up thag theory deserves an A+ but does Bioware plan that far ahead? Only time will tell, perhaps Mage Hawkes finly get their dream and become a dragon

[Augustei]

Torpor will save him eventually

He better, that bastard owes me.


Then again I must admit, I'd prefer the fade be Hawkes tomb....
 

[Deadman Inc. 73]

Honestly i don't know, but i always leave Hawke behind because that mission to me seems like Hawke wants to die at the end so all my Hawkes are left behind.
Plus it helps me create fanfiction with not knowing what happened exactly in the fade.

[lordsaren101]

Hawke is a worm. Food for Nightmare's consumption. A wretch.

[turuzzusapatuttu]

We could say the same for Alistair and Loghain, they are powerful warriors and Grey Wardens.

 

As for Stroud, he has the moustache power.

 

[Forsythia77]

Hawke's a BAMF, if anyone can survive the Nightmare in the fade, she can.  At the very least she lopped off a few of those legs and hobbled him before going down.

 

I might also be an eternal optimist.

[helpthisguyplease]

Who is Torpor?

[Deadman Inc. 73]

Who is Torpor?

A demon from the feynriel quest in act 2 while you're in the fade, and with your help can possibly possess him

[helpthisguyplease]

 And how can a low level demon like Torpor defeat the nightmare even if he is in possesion of very powerful body of a what seems to be a very special and powerful type of mage that can control other humans at a distance trough their dreams.

[Deadman Inc. 73]

Unknown but you never know maybe Hawke could have weakened the Nightmare enough for Torpor to swoop in

[fhs33721]

 

Or At least that's my guess until I'm proven wrong.

[helpthisguyplease]

Unknown but you never know maybe Hawke could have weakened the Nightmare enough for Torpor to swoop in

Are demons forced to honor their deals like the ones in D&D?

[Han Shot First]

I hope not. Whoever got left behind should probably die. If they end up surviving, it should only be because they managed to find a way to flee.

 

That was a demon whose power had been fed by centuries of people fearing the Blight, and you were in it's own domain. Defeating it should be well beyond the capabilities of anyone in your little band. Having Hawke defeat Nightmare would just turn him into a Marty Stu.

[Deadman Inc. 73]

Are demons forced to honor their deals like the ones in D&D?

I don't think so but the only deal you made with Torpor was he got the dreamer mage and you get wealth or power or something similar no vague promises for help in the future 

[helpthisguyplease]

I hope not. Whoever got left behind should probably die. If they end up surviving, it should only be because they managed to find a way to flee.

 

That was a demon whose power had been fed by centuries of people fearing the Blight, and you were in it's own domain. Defeating it should be well beyond the capabilities of anyone in your little band. Having Hawke defeat Nightmare would just turn him into a Marty Stu.

 Is he stronger then a dragon?

[Deadman Inc. 73]

I hope not. Whoever got left behind should probably die. If they end up surviving, it should only be because they managed to find a way to flee.

 

That was a demon whose power had been fed by centuries of people fearing the Blight, and you were in it's own domain. Defeating it should be well beyond the capabilities of anyone in your little band. Having Hawke defeat Nightmare would just turn him into a Marty Stu.

I have to agree sure Hawke was the Champion but at the same time that doesn't give them any advantage against the Warden ally, the only difference between them is the taint (and possibly class depending on how you played)

[andy6915]

If anyone could win, it would be Hawke. They've got to be, what, level 35 or 40 by Inquisition? Probably has at least half of all the skill trees maxed by then. Hawke has solo killed the High dragon and all its brood in DA2 on my playthroughs, and that was at a mere level 21 or so. Hawke could take 2 high dragons at once and win by Inquisition. Not saying it's a sure win, but Hawke actually stood a chance of winning.

[BigEvil]

As much as the possibility for surviving is there (the wording of the choice, Flemeth's prophetic words), I think Nightmare is something which will not be defeated off-screen by anyone. I'm not saying it'll show up in DLC or anything, but I think if Bioware does decide to do something further with Nightmare it'll be something we see rather than just Hawke/Stroud/etc beat it and then we hear about it second-hand.

 

I think who leaves for Weisshaupt will be more important in terms of dangling plot threads in the long run. They're arguably going to be a leader or prominent member of the 'good guys' when it comes to the Grey Warden civil war or whatever is actually happening there.

[Han Shot First]

 Is he stronger then a dragon?

 

I would argue that Nightmare was many times more powerful than a dragon, which ultimately is nothing more than a very large animal. And given that its power was fed by the fears of an entire continent for centuries, probably many times more powerful than any other demon encountered in the series thus far.

 

Nightmare should be an enemy that you just can't defeat. It should be like encountering Cthulhu. 

[Deadman Inc. 73]

If anyone could win, it would be Hawke. They've got to be, what, level 35 or 40 by Inquisition? Probably has at least half of all the skill trees maxed by then. Hawke has solo killed the High dragon and all its brood in DA2 on my playthroughs, and that was at a mere level 21 or so. Hawke could take 2 high dragons at once and win by Inquisition. Not saying it's a sure win, but Hawke actually stood a chance of winning.

You're thinking about PC Hawke this is NPC Hawke they have no level scale, no specializations they're an NPC at this point so i feel no matter what level they were their chances are the same as Loghain/Stroud/Alistair