I would argue that Nightmare was many times more powerful than a dragon, which ultimately is nothing more than a very large animal. And given that its power was fed by the fears of an entire continent for centuries, probably many times more powerful than any other demon encountered in the series thus far.
Nightmare should be an enemy that you just can't defeat. It should be like encountering Cthulhu.
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I am pretty sure Bradley Biggle defeated Cthulhu 
You're thinking about PC Hawke this is NPC Hawke they have no level scale, no specializations they're an NPC at this point so i feel no matter what level they were their chances are the same as Loghain/Stroud/Alistair
Or it could be the opposite. NPC Hawke could actually be far stronger than gameplay Hawke. That's often the case in games, where a character starts kicking far more ass than they can in gameplay the second you can no longer control them via a cutscene or when they're no longer officially in your party. So them being an NPC could help them or hurt them, depending on the writing.
It was a struggle just putting down a fragment of the Nightmare. Did you see how big the real deal was? Hawke is dead.
Let me quote something I saw on tumblr on this:
That is from here.
I don't think Hawke would be able to survive and defeat Nightmare, but out of all options I think Hawke would be able to deal most damage to it. I mean most of Hawke life is just one nightmare after another.
It was a struggle just putting down a fragment of the Nightmare. Did you see how big the real deal was? Hawke is dead.
Size isn't everything, based on some of the games I've played. Asura's Wrath has a great example, a guy makes himself bigger than the planet and tries to squish the main character with his index finger that was the size of a continent... And got obliterated for it.
Asura's Wrath is about an angry demigod battling other demigods and then battling THE god. It's basically "Insane Power Levels: The Game."
As fanciful as it might get at times, Dragon Age is still somewhat grounded. However skilled they may be, one person cannot defeat a demon lord the size of a mountain.
Or it could be the opposite. NPC Hawke could actually be far stronger than gameplay Hawke. That's often the case in games, where a character starts kicking far more ass than they can in gameplay the second you can no longer control them via a cutscene or when they're no longer officially in your party. So them being an NPC could help them or hurt them, depending on the writing.
To add a Dragon Age example to this post: Sten. Sten really is a rather weak party member in DAO. Yet in Darkspawn Chronicles when he's an enemy... God damn. He's the hardest part of the entire DLC, even harder than the final fight against Alistair's entire party. He can wipe out your entire darkspawn party by himself, easily.
Asura's Wrath is about demigods battling other demigods and then battling THE god. It's basically "Insane Power Levels: The Game." As fanciful as it might get at times, Dragon Age is still somewhat grounded in reality. However skilled they may be, one person cannot defeat a being the size of a castle.
Dragon's Dogma. That is my counter argument. That game has abilities no more flashy or impossible than DAI does, yet a dragon the size of a castle is your main enemy. And the Dark Arisen directors cut has a cyclops that is big enough to literally wrestle the nightmare of DAI to the ground. You know how you win? Ranged attacks. Failing that, climb them and slash/stab them to death. Fun thing about castles, they can be climbed... Same is true for enemies the size of castles.
Dragon's Dogma. That is my counter argument. That game has abilities no more flashy or impossible than DAI does, yet a dragon the size of a castle is your main enemy. And the Dark Arisen directors cut has a cyclops that is big enough to literally wrestle the nightmare of DAI to the ground. You know how you win? Ranged attacks. Failing that, climb them and slash/stab them to death. Fun thing about castles, they can be climbed... Same is true for enemies the size of castles.
You do realize that the nightmare is a demon and can most likely shapeshift into every form it wants in the fade right?
We don't even know if the giant spider appearance even is his true form or if it just uses it because The Inquisitor and Hawke are implied to be canonically afraid of spiders.
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No. Hawke is a failure who failed at everything s/he ever tried.
THAT SAID, Leliana could have unambiguously died in DAO but they brought her back, Cullen cracked like an egg in DAO's epilogue but came back every game since, so the Gods play favorites with their NPCs. So, it's possible.
Your Hawke maybe. Mine tried to get rich, check; kill Arishok, check; and leave Kirkwall, check.No. Hawke is a failure who failed at everything s/he tried.
If you let me spec into a hybrid of Force-Mage and Blood-Mage, I should be able to take him.
I doubt any mortal, no matter how powerful, could defeat Nightmare. IMO, the only way Hawke survives the encounter is either he flees or Nightmare chooses to keep him alive to torment him or for some other nefarious purpose.
Given everything we know, it's not hard to believe that Hawke atleast somehow survived. Especially with spirits doing what they do.
Who knows, maybe Flemeth help Hawke again in exchange for something
Hawke's Plot Armor expired a while back, so the fabled Champion of Kirkwall is likely dead and gone.
No. Hawke is a failure who failed at everything s/he ever tried.
Only partly true. You're right, but fighting was the one thing Hawke was truly good at. Hawke never lost a fight in their entire life, never failed to kill someone or something they wanted to. Hawke failed at everything else, but one thing you can't call Hawke a failure at was fighting.
Only partly true. You're right, but fighting was the one thing Hawke was truly good at. Hawke never lost a fight in their entire life, never failed to kill someone or something they wanted to. Hawke failed at everything else, but one thing you can't call Hawke a failure at was fighting.
So true he never lost and he fought against way more experienced fighters but in Dragon Age talent beats experience.
No. Hawke is a failure who failed at everything s/he ever tried.
It seems that your Hawke was a loser. Not like mine.
I just feel like that would be kind of stupid only because they've been stuck in the Fade physically and unless dying in the fade is different then the real world we'll probably never get a clear answer however i like to think that whoever fought off hoards off demons and hurt the nightmare before dying at it's hands, that includes if you left Loghain/Stroud/Alistair behind instead of Hawke
It seems that your Hawke was a loser. Not like mine.
The only thing my Hawke was good at was fighting. And being a blood-mage, almost as if it was his destiny...
He even decided to bring Carver along for the expedition, without Anders. What could go wrong right?
Watching his fate in the Deep Roads was always a joy to me. It's like punching the news-reporter in Mass Effect.
So good, yet so wrong.
It seems that your Hawke was a loser. Not like mine.
No, it's canon that Hawke failed. Failed to protect their family, failed to make the Hawke name mean something, failed to stop a war from breaking out between Templar and mage, failed to stop the Qunari before they already caused lots of death and destruction, failed to stop Petrice from sparking said war, let Corypheus out and then failed to kill him, failed at not letting red lyrium be discovered and abused, failed to stop Anders from blowing up buildings... Failure was the name of the game in DA2.
No, it's canon that Hawke failed. Failed to protect their family, failed to make the Hawke name mean something, failed to stop a war from breaking out between Templar and mage, failed to stop the Qunari before they already caused lots of death and destruction, failed to stop Petrice from sparking said war, let Corypheus out and then failed to kill him, failed at not letting red lyrium be discovered and abused, failed to stop Anders from blowing up buildings... Failure was the name of the game in DA2.
Agree with almost all your points except if you side with the templars you then become viscount/viscountess and that makes the Hawke name mean something.
Agree with almost all your points except if you side with the templars you then become viscount/viscountess and that makes the Hawke name mean something.
Does it? Hawke's name then gets dragged through the mud after they all start using red lyrium and kick Hawke out of the viscount's role. So that's a failure I actually forgot to mention. Hawke fails no matter what outcome.
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