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[KaitoXIII]

Hey

In the new DLC the last Inquisitor told us that the Seekers of Truth worked together with Mages to hunt down Abdominations and Apostates. The last Inquisitor himself was a Mage. So why did the Chantry turned against the Mages?

[Taki17]

Probably because the same reason there are loyalist mages centuries later. There's a part in the Chant of Light which says "Magic must serve man and never to rule over him". When Inquistion was disbanded and they became Seekers and Templars, the Chantry was still in a fledgeling state, not recognized outside Orlais and naturally, they needed all the support they could get. Those mages, who were with the first Inquisition were probably the first loyalists too. They accepted the Chant as a whole.

 

According to the lore, at first mages were in service of the Chantry lighting braziers in churches and such, but they were severly limited in practicing their magic, so they protested/rebelled and they were allowed to live in isolation and practice magic more freely. Thus, the Circles were created.

[Laughing_Man]

Because in the old days, the ideology of the young chantry was still relatively pure and untainted.

What mattered was not what or who you were, but that you wanted to help others, and bring order into chaos.

 

The Chantry before DA:I on the other hand, was an old and corrupt institution, that sought to force it's dogmatic views on everyone it could.

Magic simply made for an excellent scape goat for many problems.

 

 

Probably because the same reason there are loyalist mages centuries later. There's a part in the Chant of Light which says "Magic must serve man and never to rule over him". When Inquistion was disbanded and they became Seekers and Templars, the Chantry was still in a fledgeling state, not recognized outside Orlais and naturally, they needed all the support they could get. Those mages, who were with the first Inquisition were probably the first loyalists too. They accepted the Chant as a whole.

 

According to the lore, at first mages were in service of the Chantry lighting braziers in churches and such, but they were severly limited in practicing their magic, so they protested/rebelled and they were allowed to live in isolation and practice magic more freely. Thus, the Circles were created.

 

Inquisitor Ameridan was nothing like modern loyalist mages. He was a hero who chose to go out and do what he could to help and protect others.

The other Seekers didn't care about his pointy ears or his magic simply because in their eyes these were not important issues.

 

Modern loyalist mages are the product of chantry propaganda and mind washing, those too afraid to think and act for themselves, those needing the reassurance and approval of a false religion based on fairy tales, those that go like sheep - sometimes to slaughter, and only seek to appease their overlords. Today such people are refereed to as those suffering from Stockholm syndrome.

 

Yeah, maybe not all of them. But enough are like that.

 

In any case, the "duty" of lighting braziers was a joke. It's also ingenious, this duty demeans the Mage who does it, by forcing him to use magic for a menial, meaningless task, while at the same time glorifies the power of the chantry.

 

Only one of the aforementioned lapdogs, or someone entirely apathetic would accept this insult of a "duty" as his role in life.

[Ashagar]

Pointedly the Templars effectively took the mages side when they eventually protested about that by refusing the divine's orders which lead to the creation of the circleholds which were to both protect mages from the outside world and the outside world from something going wrong.

 

Going by the evidence the chantry and the environment it created is pointedly more tolerant of mages than southern Thadas was before their existence which even with the corruption that crept in is saying a lot.

 

As for the view of many modern loyalist mages being nothing but lapdogs I will simply disagree as I can see a variety of reasons one would be loyalists that doesn't involve brainwashing and propaganda or simply be driven into the loyalist camp like the isolationists and the other smaller fraternities were  by liberationists who's mentality was join us or we will murder you to free you in death.

[Lumix19]

Pointedly the Templars effectively took the mages side when they eventually protested about that by refusing the divine's orders which lead to the creation of the circleholds which were to both protect mages from the outside world and the outside world from something going wrong.

 

Going by the evidence the chantry and the environment it created is pointedly more tolerant of mages than southern Thadas was before their existence which even with the corruption that crept in is saying a lot.

 

As for the view of many modern loyalist mages being nothing but lapdogs I will simply disagree as I can see a variety of reasons one would be loyalists that doesn't involve brainwashing and propaganda or simply be driven into the loyalist camp like the isolationists and the other smaller fraternities were  by liberationists who's mentality was join us or we will murder you to free you in death.

To be fair that might have been less to do with the Mages, and more to do with how it would have looked if the Divine had ordered an Exalted March on her own cathedral.

 

Also the libertarians didn't murder people to "set them free", a few did that to try and rally more mages to the cause.

[X Equestris]

To be fair that might have been less to do with the Mages, and more to do with how it would have looked if the Divine had ordered an Exalted March on her own cathedral.
 
Also the libertarians didn't murder people to "set them free", a few did that to try and rally more mages to the cause.

That doesn't make it right. And we see several instances of the Resolutionist faction of the Libertarians murdering those who stand in their way.

[Taki17]

Modern loyalist mages are the product of chantry propaganda and mind washing, those too afraid to think and act for themselves, those needing the reassurance and approval of a false religion based on fairy tales, those that go like sheep - sometimes to slaughter, and only seek to appease their overlords. Today such people are refereed to as those suffering from Stockholm syndrome.

 

Yeah, maybe not all of them. But enough are like that.

Loyalists are far from mindless Chantry-bootlickers. There are some who are completely nuts, yes, like that mage girl from Origins who's waiting for Templars to strike her down and free her from this sinful existence, but I hardly think most of them are the same.

 

The loyalists and aquetarians (I hope I got this faction name right...) are both supporting the Chantry law, but their interpretation of the phrase "Magic must serve man and never to rule over him" differs.

 

Aquetarians translate this as a law like any other and enforce it as it is - mages are not allowed to use magic in order to gain power politically or by influencing someone, but the use of magic in order to good should be encouraged. The law does not state that mages belong to the Chantry, and they should be given more room or autonomy as long as they obey the law by not using magic for evil deeds.

 

Loyalists on the other hand, think that magic is best kept in control in service of the Chantry, and by practicing magic in the Circles and in safe enviroments, they are doing the Maker's work - they live a more religious life, but still contribute to scientific progress by researching and studying. So the line between a loyalist and an aquetarian is thin, as neither party wishes to abolish the circles and their goals are the same on the long run - use magic in order to do good, while still obeying the Chantry law about magic. That's what I think the vast majority (so not the bigots) of Loyalists want.

[Ashagar]

To be fair that might have been less to do with the Mages, and more to do with how it would have looked if the Divine had ordered an Exalted March on her own cathedral.

 

Also the libertarians didn't murder people to "set them free", a few did that to try and rally more mages to the cause.

 

From what I remember from the codexes, that is what drove the isolationists and the other smaller fraternities into throwing their lot in with the loyalists fraternity to form the loyalist faction because of the whole your with us or against us mentality that permitted no neutrality to the point that they attacked the people who wanted to remain loyal to the chantry as well as those who wanted to stay out of the conflict. 

 

There were some rather high level and low level murders like the archivist from Vivienne tower who was murdered to free her in death because she refused to join the rebellion and the first enchanter of Ostwick who was murdered for opposing the uprising which didn't prevent much of the Ostwick circle from staying on the sidelines other than to join the divine's peace efforts.