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[Vazgen]

In all my time of playing ME3 I never had non-loyal squadmates survive in ME3. What happens if they do? I know Zaeed, Miranda, Grunt and Kasumi die (for the latter it's only implied) but I don't know about the others.

[Iakus]

Nothing changes with Mordin.  Though he can't save Eve without the genophage data, so it's pretty much the same as destroying it.

 

I don't think there's any difference with Jacob, Samara, Jack, or Garrus.

 

You can't convince the quarians to stand down without a loyal Tali and Legion, so peace is impossible on Rannoch without both being loyal.

 

Thane never appears.  Presumably succumbs to his sickness

[Vazgen]

Thanks! I'm probably the most curious about Samara. Maybe Morinth also appears in the game in that case?

I'm looking for ways to save as many of them as possible with the fewest number of loyalty missions. 

This means I'll have to do loyalty missions for Zaeed, Miranda, Grunt, Kasumi, Tali, Thane and Legion. If I kill Wrex on Virmire, I can save Mordin so I won't need to do his loyalty mission in that case. Those 7 should be more than enough for the entire crew to survive Suicide Mission, no?

 

Correction, I'll need a biotic expert so either Samara's or Jack's loyalty missions will be required

[themikefest]

Jacob and Jack will survive no matter what as long as their mission is completed, If not, Jacob's name will appear on the wall after Chronos and Jack will die on Chronos as a phantom

 

Samara wil survive if the interrupt is used

 

Grunt, Miranda, Zaeed and Kasumi will die no matter what

 

Thane will still play chicken with Kai Leng and get stabbed for it. The only difference from being loyal and not loyal is him mentioning his son when first seen in the hospital

 

Tali can die if geth are chosen

 

Garrus can die if ems is below 1900 and taken on the beam run

 

Legion will always die

 

Mordin will live/die depending on if the genophage is cured/sabotaged and Wrex/Wreav in charge and eve will always die

[Vazgen]

Oh, so Thane lives! That's good news 

[Iakus]

Thanks! I'm probably the most curious about Samara. Maybe Morinth also appears in the game in that case?

 

Morinth appears if Samara is never recruited (as one of the Banshees you face on Priority: Earth.

 

I don't know if she appears if Samara is recruited but loyalty mission is never done.

[Iakus]

 

 

Thane will still play chicken with Kai Leng and get stabbed for it. The only difference from being loyal and not loyal is him mentioning his son when first seen in the hospital

 

Huh, guess I heard wrong, then.

[themikefest]

Oh, so Thane lives! That's good news 

Its not hard for Thane to survive the suicide mission if not loyal. I usually recruit him after the mission if I want him in ME3

[Vazgen]

Its not hard for Thane to survive the suicide mission if not loyal. I usually recruit him after the mission if I want him in ME3

Will the funeral scene in Citadel DLC still play if he was not loyal? And hospital prayer scene?

[Vazgen]

Grunt is the best non-loyal scenario to me. 

But... but... he dies... 

[themikefest]

Will the funeral scene in Citadel DLC still play if he was not loyal? And hospital prayer scene?

Yes

[Vazgen]

Yes

Hmm, interesting! Thanks!

[Quarian Master Race]

You can't convince the quarians to stand down without a loyal Tali and Legion, so peace is impossible on Rannoch without both being loyal.

 

Thane never appears.  Presumably succumbs to his sickness

The others were correct AFAIK but not these.

Tali/ Legion's loyalty is not required for the ceasefire, merely that you did both their loyalty missions, along with the Geth Propaganda.....err Fighter Squadrons mission and meet the other requisite requirements for reputation and 5+ brownie points (saving Koris, Clearing Tali of treason without presenting evidence, Deleting Heretics etc.). I know this because I frequently tell Legion to sod off when it starts theiving, and nothing becomes of it in the 3rd game as far as engineering the ceasefire is concerned. It and Tali even still act like BFFs (much to my chagrin).

Note that you will miss out on a brownie point if you don't talk them out of their standoff, which means that if you also didn't both delete the heretics and clear Tali w/o evidence, you will then not be able to get a ceasefire (because then only 4 points are available, period). 

Thane appears just the same, but he makes no mention of Kolyat. Still saves the councilor and dies as long as you talk to him in the hospital beforehand. The Kolyat then shows up at his deathbed later and introduces himself to Shepard, and the prayer recital thing he does proceeds as normal. You still get the memorial service in Citadel, and AFAIR it is exactly the same, dialogue and all.

Edit: Though it appears someone already mentioned what happens to Thane. derp

[Vazgen]

The others were correct AFAIK but not these.

Tali/ Legion's loyalty is not required for the ceasefire, merely that you did both their loyalty missions, along with the Geth Propaganda.....err Fighter Squadrons mission and meet the other requisite requirements for reputation and 5+ brownie points (saving Koris, Clearing Tali of treason without presenting evidence, Deleting Heretics etc.). I know this because I frequently tell Legion to sod off when it starts theiving, and nothing becomes of it in the 3rd game as far as engineering the ceasefire is concerned. It and Tali even still act like BFFs (much to my chagrin).

Note that you will miss out on a brownie point if you don't talk them out of their standoff, which means that if you also didn't both delete the heretics and clear Tali w/o evidence, you will then not be able to get a ceasefire (because then only 4 points are available, period). 

Thane appears just the same, but he makes no mention of Kolyat. Still saves the councilor and dies as long as you talk to him in the hospital beforehand. The Kolyat then shows up at his deathbed later and introduces himself to Shepard, and the prayer recital thing he does proceeds as normal. You still get the memorial service in Citadel, and AFAIR it is exactly the same, dialogue and all.

Edit: Though it appears someone already mentioned what happens to Thane. derp

Haven't thought of this!

So you can give admirals Tali's father's data and lose her loyalty, then do Legion's LM and then lose its loyalty in the consequent confrontation. What matters is the completion of missions, not their outcome, correct? 

[Quarian Master Race]

Haven't thought of this!

So you can give admirals Tali's father's data and lose her loyalty, then do Legion's LM and then lose its loyalty in the consequent confrontation. What matters is the completion of missions, not their outcome, correct? 

No you can't do that in particular. Even if you delete the Heretics and rescue Koris, you will still only be able to achieve 4 of the possible 7 brownie points (you need at least 5). I can't think of a passable scenario where at least 1 of them isn't loyal, but you don't need both of them.

2+ from clearing Tali w/o presenting evidence
2+ from deleting Heretics
1+ from talking down their confrontation via reputation check
2+ from rescuing Koris (1+ for just doing the mission even if you save the civvies instead)

[Excella Gionne]

I believe Garrus and Miranda are the only two you should be less worried about since it doesn't matter if you did them or not. As for Tali, this will only matter if you care for the Peace. I believe Legion will be in the same boat as Tali. Samara will not die unless you let her kill herself, however, her ending slide will show her hunting Morinth. Jack, I believe, remains unchanged. Kasumi doesn't die, but she won't join the fight. Jacob remains unchanged too.

[Quarian Master Race]

Samara is definitely unaffected because I never do her mission out of principle. I don't imagine Garrus the perma-bro is either.

Miranda though, I thought she will invariably die at Sanctuary if you don't do hers, complete all 3 Citadel conversations AND allow her to use Alliance resources?

[Excella Gionne]

Samara is definitely unaffected because I never do her mission out of principle. I don't imagine Garrus the perma-bro is either.

Miranda though, I thought she will invariably die at Sanctuary if you don't do hers, complete all 3 Citadel conversations AND allow her to use Alliance resources?

Miranda won't die if you've completed all of the criteria to save her from dying whether or not she's loyal or not loyal. 

[Vazgen]

 

I believe Garrus and Miranda are the only two you should be less worried about since it doesn't matter if you did them or not. As for Tali, this will only matter if you care for the Peace. I believe Legion will be in the same boat as Tali. Samara will not die unless you let her kill herself, however, her ending slide will show her hunting Morinth. Jack, I believe, remains unchanged. Kasumi doesn't die, but she won't join the fight. Jacob remains unchanged too.

I never got that justicar slide. Is that the trigger? I found an old thread about it but there was no clarification.

 

Samara is definitely unaffected because I never do her mission out of principle. I don't imagine Garrus the perma-bro is either.

Miranda though, I thought she will invariably die at Sanctuary if you don't do hers, complete all 3 Citadel conversations AND allow her to use Alliance resources?

IIRC Miranda dies if she's not loyal, no matter how many times you warn her or what data you give her. It is the case during non-import runs. 

[Excella Gionne]

 

 

I never got that justicar slide. Is that the trigger? I found an old thread about it but there was no clarification.

 

 

I believe it is. I don't see any other alternative for Samara.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

No you can't do that in particular. Even if you delete the Heretics and rescue Koris, you will still only be able to achieve 4 of the possible 7 brownie points (you need at least 5). I can't think of a passable scenario where at least 1 of them isn't loyal, but you don't need both of them.

2+ from clearing Tali w/o presenting evidence
2+ from deleting blowing up the Heretics
1+ from talking down their confrontation via reputation check
2+ from rescuing Koris (1+ for just doing the mission even if you save the civvies instead)

 

Fixed. Just in case people don't understand. It's -1 if you rewrite the Heretics. So a net three point loss for the rewrite. You see if the Geth are stronger there is less "incentive" for peace.

[Quarian Master Race]

Fixed. Just in case people don't understand. It's -1 if you rewrite the Heretics. So a net three point loss for the rewrite. You see if the Geth are stronger there is less "incentive" for peace.

Probably a more accurate diction. Always seemed like a non-decision to me, anyway. Even if you are sympathetic to the toasters, the Heretics want to kill the rest of them just as much as they want to kill all the meatbags. 

[cap and gown]

Jack and Jacob's loyalty makes absolutely no difference, so I often skip those missions. Thane's LM results in some dialogue differences, but nothing else changes. I still do his mission, even if I intend to let Kolyat escape simply because there is no fighting involved. Same with Samara, though I never pick Morinth. Miri is very easy to kill in ME3, but very hard to kill in ME2.