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[Warden of Silence]

So spoilers for those who haven't reached this part in Origins. 

 

I have wondered this for a long time. Do you think Alistiar ever forgives and becomes friends with the Warden again after they potentially made Loghain a Grey Warden? 

 

Ten years have passed, and the possibly great friendship dying for good makes me sad. So, what does everyone think? 

[Broganisity]

Alistair is a whiny baby.

With that out of the way, I think it depends on a few things:

- What happens to Loghain once a Warden. Does he die? Continue forward?
- What happens to the Warden after. Does s/he die? Become Chancellor?
- What happens to Alistair after. Is he king alongside Anora (thus hardened)? Or is he a drunkard?

I'd say that, for Alistair to forgive the Warden, it would require a Hardened Alistair as king alongside Anora, with the Warden alive as Chancellor (thus being able to be close to the king). You'd also have to talk to him and ask him if they're still friends (you can if I recall the details right) and he will say something about your being around the castle so the two of you can talk later.

I'd say it also then depends on the level of your 'friendship points' and then a bonus if Loghain is alive versus being dead. (Alistair wouldn't like Loghain dying a hero's death, I'm sure.).

[Dieb]

Ten years have passed, and the possibly great friendship dying for good makes me sad. So, what does everyone think? 

 

I think good friendships can be sustained if you avoid making the murderer of their father figure your new best friend.

 

Seriously, doing that means you don't give a fling about Alistair on a personal level, so why would a Loghainbro Warden even care?

[Warden of Silence]

For my canon, Alistair and Anora are married, with Alistair being hardened. The Warden is alive, went to rebuild the Wardens. Friendship rating was 100%. I did save Connor and Isolde, and we did met his sister. 

 

I know that if Loghain dies during the Archdemon fight, he does comment that there is a certain amount of justice to that, and that he is not really angry. https://www.youtube....v=l_jvxkRS-Kk. 

 

And if you see him in Awakening, he is friendly (though I recall that someone said that was a glitch, I could be wrong).

 

As for why it happens, well it would be a waste. I don't see my Warden sparing Loghain because he wanted to, but because it was necessary. He didn't want to hurt Alistair, but he believed that sparing Loghain was for the greater good. That is how I interpret my Warden. 

[Warden of Silence]

I should also mention that Loghain survived up to Inquisition, where he fought the Nightmare demon.

[Lavaeolus]

I think good friendships can be sustained if you avoid making the murderer of their father figure your new best friend.
 
Seriously, doing that means you don't give a fling about Alistair on a personal level, so why would a Loghainbro Warden even care?

Caring about someone on a personal level =/= always agreeing with them, or acquiescing to their wills. Nor does sparing Loghain mean the Warden's his best bud, or even that the Warden agrees with or supports Loghain in any way.

Of course, hanging around with your friend's father figure's murderer at all is probably going to end your friendship, but it still doesn't necessarily mean you don't personally care for them. Unless your view of "personal care" means "care beyond all else", which would make having more than one friend really hard.

Anyway, if Alistair is king and both Loghain and Alistair are alive, he'll utter "Sadly, Loghain still lives" to Aveline in the second game. So, he's not over that. I imagine it's possible to restore some of the friendship, to a grudging degree (you did make him king), but there'll always be a heavy shadow over it, even if there are moments where they seem like ol' buds again.

Worth noting, Awakening Alistair's dialogue is exactly the same no matter if Loghain was spared or not. They didn't really account for Alistair's feeling beyond "king", which is a flaw in the writing admittedly.

[Razored1313]

I'd say it also then depends on the level of your 'friendship points' and then a bonus if Loghain is alive versus being dead. (Alistair wouldn't like Loghain dying a hero's death, I'm sure.).

Actually, in my canon worldstate he approves if Loghain died against the archdemon, like warden of silence said he considered it a small amount of justice. Also I experimented and the dialogue in that scenario really doesn't have too much malice, more like two estranged friends trying to see where they stand. In that scenario I think it's possible they can fix their friendship, but the one where loghain lives it doesn't seem likely sadly.

[TEWR]

Given that even in a world-state where Loghain was spared and Alistair is king he greets the Warden-Commander (if still alive) fondly in Awakening, yeah I'd say Alistair gets over his little tantrum and still considers the Warden his friend. 

 

Sure it's the same no matter what, but canon is canon. So, he's friends with the Warden still.

 

I'm not going to address Dieb's post other then to say it's wrong, partially because Lavaeolus did that already and partially because I don't have the time to spend arguing on a topic I've argued repeatedly.