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[78stonewobble]

 

 

They can definitely be viewed as good relationships...imo. I only pause at whether they're good (or even practical) physical relationships. 

 

Well I ponder it here, but in the game, I just want the contrast of happyness...

 

Didn't Allers said something about turians fan giving her the creepiest fanmails? 

Besides, one can love someone even without having sex with them. I mean, love is universal. Right?

 

I don't think Hawke and Sebastian's love for each other is less a form of love just because they don't have a sex scene in game. Even Tali exposed herself to higher probability of infection and autoimmune reaction by making out with Shepard and yet ppl don't seem to care about that.

 

But it depends on your level of suspension of disbelief and then again, people have sexual fetish to a lot of things IRL. Let us just let this go...

 

Well, some people are more or less asexual, so it wouldn't be a problem, for them, to miss out on sex. 

 

Personally I'd miss it like hell tho  

[Kynare]

I'm always playing with the idea of a Garrus romance in my playthroughs, but I never follow through with it because of how they present it in ME2. I actually wish they did go for a more emotional/asexual route with him instead of a friends-with-benefits thing. What benefits would that even provide? Unless our Shepard has a turian fetish. Which is exactly how it sounds in ME2. I cringe whenever I hear the "reach and flexibility" comment. The only time I did it, it was right after I drank with Chakwas so I could pretend Shepard was wasted. 

 

I get some people think it's funny/cute, but I prefer staying friends and then maybe throw in a headcanon where they finally devote themselves to a loving and caring relationship after being friends and comrades for so many years after the Reaper invasion. That's also in a universe where Kaidan has to be dead.

[Abelas Forever!]

They can definitely be viewed as good relationships...imo. I only pause at whether they're good (or even practical) physical relationships. 

Why couldn't they be good physical relationships? I don't see anything that could prevent them to be those kind of relationships. Mordin even gives Shepard some advice how physical relationship with a turian or with a drell can work. Of course it's going to be a lot different than with a human but not necessarily in a bad way. Maybe it's even better.

[Han Shot First]

Really? And what about asari? You think turians should be losing their sh*t for asari. 

 

No, species that look very different from the Asari shouldn't be that interested in them either. That includes the Turians. Everyone being interested in the Asari is one of the things that doesn't make a lot of sense in the lore. It makes sense for humans or Quarians given the similarity, but not so much for Krogan, Salarians, Turians, or Hanar. In fact even though it involves aliens it is an example of the humans are special trope. The reason why everyone finds them attractive is because they look like us. Javik revealing that Quarians were considered beautiful by the species of his cycle is another example of that. Its no coincidence that all the species stated in the lore to be attractive or desired by everyone else, also happen to be the ones that look most like us. That's because the writers are human and we are biologically programmed to find human features attractive. 

 

A Turian, if he/she were real, would not have that biological programming. It would be programmed to find frills and mandibles and claws and metallic carapaces attractive, not squishy humans with their hair and ape-like features. That includes Aishwarya Rai. She's only beautiful to human eyes because of our biological programming. That isn't to say there wouldn't be outliers among Turians, but as a whole most should be entirely uninterested.

 

I didn't mention the Asari in earlier posts because I was talking about romances involving player characters. The number of non-human player characters we've had so far, outside of mulitplayer, is zero. It is a very good possibility that is going to be the case with the next ME game as well.

[Abelas Forever!]

Oh, I completely agree... It's not something I wanna overthink in the game either. It's there to provide a happy contrast to other things and I prefer it as such.

Do you mean that you like happy romances because they give contrast to grimmer events in a game?

[Abelas Forever!]

You know I bet there is softer parts in Turian body than their carapace. Their neck looks much softer than their face for example and their tongue is probably quite soft. So I believe there is more of those softer parts in their body which we just haven't seen so  physical relationships with turians and humans most likely wouldn't be something that you just described.

 

I asked because I wanted to know why you think Shepard and Garrus couldn't have a good physical relationship even though it's said in the game that having a physical relationship with a turian is possible. I just don't see it any different than a physical relationship with asari or quarian and I believe that for many those relationships are ok but suddenly a physical relationship with a turian is wrong and not possible.

[78stonewobble]

Do you mean that you like happy romances because they give contrast to grimmer events in a game?

 

Yeah, they work like that for me in the mass effect universe. It's a bit of a side story / mission to me, but you can't argue with how it draws you into the me world and make you care about the characters.

 

It would quite possibly be different, if romance was more complex and characters wouldn't date just any douchebag and/or bad boy/girl and/or boringon shep, but then again... How much romance simulator do I really want when it comes to it? It's hard enough in real life...

 

 

You know I bet there is softer parts in Turian body than their carapace. Their neck looks much softer than their face for example and their tongue is probably quite soft. So I believe there is more of those softer parts in their body which we just haven't seen so  physical relationships with turians and humans most likely wouldn't be something that you just described.

 

I asked because I wanted to know why you think Shepard and Garrus couldn't have a good physical relationship even though it's said in the game that having a physical relationship with a turian is possible. I just don't see it any different than a physical relationship with asari or quarian and I believe that for many those relationships are ok but suddenly a physical relationship with a turian is wrong and not possible.

 

 

Or they could get their rocks off elsewhere and still be romantically involved. 

[Kynare]

I'll answer this the minute someone volunteers to rub their genitals on a boney substance... with the texture of granite or coral.
 
And then tells me about the experience.
 
Or err.... something. It doesn't look remotely healthy. I don't know why you even ask. It's one thing to have fun with fantasy... but we didn't evolve to have sex with anything like this.

There's a certain comic which gives a different idea of how it would work that doesn't involve any chafing. I wouldn't say it's completely unrealistic, either... many Garrusmancers probably picture it just like the comic. Input constipated laugh here.

[Kynare]

Heh. Thanks for the info.

 

 

Like I said, there's nothing wrong indulging in the fantasy of it.

 

 

However, this series originally started off as a fairly realistic sci-fi setting. I think this kind of stuff swung it in the direction of quirkier settings... it's a bit silly.

 

That I can agree with. That's why I never romanced anyone during ME2 in my canon playthrough (only in my replays.) Most of the romances that FemShep can pursue in ME2 felt too unprofessional for my Shepard. She was no longer officially with the Alliance, but they were still under her command, and she didn't really get to become a commander by making advances on her crew. Romance is okay, but I prefer that it happens more naturally and realistically.

 

Back to Garrus in ME2, I would've liked it if they retained his respect and support for Shepard, and threw in little hints of flirtation here and there. Perhaps in the cabin scene, he would reaffirm his confidence in her ability to lead them through the Omega-4 Relay, they would express their feelings for each other and do the little head-bump, but no actual sex would be suggested outright (open for interpretation, of course) until ME3.

 

It would've felt more natural to me, especially if he's her first turian partner. I would think they'd need more time to actually develop a sexual relationship. Shepard's 6 months of incarceration also allows a more realistic approach as to how they figured out the technical ropes (that is, she also "researched".)

 

Maybe that kind of development would be too slow for some. There's also the matter that the writers were still unsure how a turian romance would have been received. At least they should have a much better idea now for ME4.

[78stonewobble]

I never played Femshep in ME2. I've heard bad things about Jacob. And good things about Thane and Garrus.

 

Male-wise, I can't help but go for Jack. To me, she's a good reason to break from Cerberus for a confused Shepard. She's like the best parts of Kaidan (biotic backstory) and Ash (brash/down to earth) and Sole Survivor Shep (Cerberus guinea pig).

 

Heh, I've never been able to go for jack. She just rubs me the wrong way and I've known my fair share of people with mental problems, rape or even incest victims in real life, with loads of issues. Tali usually for me, tho I can sometimes go for liara or ashley. 

 

 

That I can agree with. That's why I never romanced anyone during ME2 in my canon playthrough (only in my replays.) Most of the romances that FemShep can pursue in ME2 felt too unprofessional for my Shepard. She was no longer officially with the Alliance, but they were still under her command, and she didn't really get to become a commander by making advances on her crew. Romance is okay, but I prefer that it happens more naturally and realistically.

 

Back to Garrus in ME2, I would've liked it if they retained his respect and support for Shepard, and threw in little hints of flirtation here and there. Perhaps in the cabin scene, he would reaffirm his confidence in her ability to lead them through the Omega-4 Relay, they would express their feelings for each other and do the little head-bump, but no actual sex would be suggested outright (open for interpretation, of course) until ME3.

 

It would've felt more natural to me, especially if he's her first turian partner. I would think they'd need more time to actually develop a sexual relationship. Shepard's 6 months of incarceration also allows a more realistic approach as to how they figured out the technical ropes (that is, she also "researched".)

 

Maybe that kind of development would be too slow for some. There's also the matter that the writers were still unsure how a turian romance would have been received. At least they should have a much better idea now for ME4.

 

I totally get the professionalism argument and I've certainly had it in over my thinking in regards to playthroughs. But when I start playing I usually end up thinking it's too much fun to leave out.

[Mrs_Stick]

No, species that look very different from the Asari shouldn't be that interested in them either. That includes the Turians. Everyone being interested in the Asari is one of the things that doesn't make a lot of sense in the lore. It makes sense for humans or Quarians given the similarity, but not so much for Krogan, Salarians, Turians, or Hanar. In fact even though it involves aliens it is an example of the humans are special trope. The reason why everyone finds them attractive is because they look like us. Javik revealing that Quarians were considered beautiful by the species of his cycle is another example of that. Its no coincidence that all the species stated in the lore to be attractive or desired by everyone else, also happen to be the ones that look most like us. That's because the writers are human and we are biologically programmed to find human features attractive. 

 

A Turian, if he/she were real, would not have that biological programming. It would be programmed to find frills and mandibles and claws and metallic carapaces attractive, not squishy humans with their hair and ape-like features. That includes Aishwarya Rai. She's only beautiful to human eyes because of our biological programming. That isn't to say there wouldn't be outliers among Turians, but as a whole most should be entirely uninterested.

 

I didn't mention the Asari in earlier posts because I was talking about romances involving player characters. The number of non-human player characters we've had so far, outside of mulitplayer, is zero. It is a very good possibility that is going to be the case with the next ME game as well.

If you have not listened to the bachelor party in ME2 with the human, salarian and turian at the stripper table do. Near the end they all start arguing what the asari looks like they all think the Asari looks more like their race

[Abelas Forever!]

Yeah, they work like that for me in the mass effect universe. It's a bit of a side story / mission to me, but you can't argue with how it draws you into the me world and make you care about the characters.

 

It would quite possibly be different, if romance was more complex and characters wouldn't date just any douchebag and/or bad boy/girl and/or boringon shep, but then again... How much romance simulator do I really want when it comes to it? It's hard enough in real life...

I definitely like more ME because of the romances.

I think if ME would become more like a romance simulator then the risks are that there would be also negative sides of the relationships available such as cheating and I'm not really interested in that. Although female Shepard has suffered from that already. I was lucky that I didn't romance Jacob and I could predict what would happen with Thane so when he died it wasn't that horrible.
 

 

 

Or they could get their rocks off elsewhere and still be romantically involved. 

I'm not sure did you mean with a third party or alone but nevertheless those are ways how they can handle the situation. Anyway I would still prefer that they could work things out so that they can have a good physical relationship with each other. I don't see it as some kind of a weird thing with an alien but more like a way to show your love to your partner. I haven't really think about how they could actually make it work but I'm happy if there is a way to do that. I don't have to know all the details. It's ok to me that my Shepard knows the details

[Abelas Forever!]

However, this series originally started off as a fairly realistic sci-fi setting. I think this kind of stuff swung it in the direction of quirkier settings... it's a bit silly.

For me the setting was never even fairly realistic. I mean aliens have managed to form a Citadel Council and their morality is almost identical to morality in humans. When they finally believe that Saren has gone rogue they allow Shepard to become a Spectre and go after him instead of sending  their best Spectre after him. You can reason with Wrex in Virmire. Your mind can handle prothean data. You can complete missions which don't help your main mission and there isn't any punishent for that. I just don't see that relationships between aliens and humans are that weird in that context. I love the series but I don't think it was ever even fairly realistic. But that probably depends on what is the definition of fairly realistic.