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[MyKingdomCold]

During two conversations, with Clemence and Helisma, you can ask if they're tranquil. I've never done that though since it seems fairly obvious that they are. So what happens if you do ask? Is it "rude"? I guess they can't really be offended but I can never get myself to ask them.

[katerinafm]

Well if you see the tranquil mark on them then it won't be rude since tranquil can't get insulted. In the cases it's brought up, it's not insulting, it's your inquisitor mostly going 'oh, you're tranquil? Didn't realize' or something along those lines.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The Inquisitor isn't rude about it, no. It's always asked with genuine curiosity or realization. 

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

No, it's not rude. The tranquil aren't people like you and I, after all.

 

Lol! Joking!   

[Lady Artifice]

It's actually an interesting question. 

 

Tranquil don't have feelings to hurt, but they are aware of it when they're being insulted and mistreated, and they are capable of protesting that. They just aren't necessarily motivated enough to do so. 

 

The short answer is that I don't think it's rude to ask. 

 

But it does make me wonder whether some Tranquil would, if prompted, claim that it happens often enough to be an inefficient waste of time. 

[Sifr]

But it does make me wonder whether some Tranquil would, if prompted, claim that it happens often enough to be an inefficient waste of time. 

 

Like the Tranquil in Ostagar who, while not being uncomfortable with the topic itself, clearly wants to move the subject along and asks the Warden if they can perhaps talk about something else? He's probably been asked that kind of question too many times, that if he was capable of it, he would probably be severely annoyed by now?

 

I know they don't have emotions and so irritation would be obviously beyond a Tranquil, they're not vegetables either and we do know that they are capable of rational thought and as one diary codex entry in Origins suggests, have some semblance of personality even despite lacking emotions?

 

Owain for instance had a few quirks, as he decided to tidy up the stock room despite the tower being infested with demons and even he admitted when Wynne points this out, that it was a completely pointless task that he was doing simply because he "enjoyed" it? It would be interesting to see a Tranquil who happened to exhibit some degree of deadpan humour?

 

Inky: You must get this a lot, but are you Tranquil?

Tranquil: No, I have this Circle tattoo on my forehead because it's fashionable.

Inky: ... Really?

Tranquil: No.

[Lady Artifice]

Like the Tranquil in Ostagar who, while not being uncomfortable with the topic itself, clearly wants to move the subject along and asks the Warden if they can perhaps talk about something else? He's probably been asked that kind of question too many times, that if he was capable of it, he would probably be severely annoyed by now?

 

I know they don't have emotions and so irritation would be obviously beyond a Tranquil, they're not vegetables either and we do know that they are capable of rational thought and as one diary codex entry in Origins suggests, have some semblance of personality even despite lacking emotions?

 

Owain for instance had a few quirks, as he decided to tidy up the stock room despite the tower being infested with demons and even he admitted when Wynne points this out, that it was a completely pointless task that he was doing simply because he "enjoyed" it? It would be interesting to see a Tranquil who happened to exhibit some degree of deadpan humour?

 

Inky: You must get this a lot, but are you Tranquil?

Tranquil: No, I have this Circle tattoo on my forehead because it's fashionable.

Inky: ... Really?

Tranquil: No.

 

Owain also spoke about "preferring," certain things (namely, not dying). and that Tranquil in Asunder allowed Evangeline and Rhys to pass, clearly making a decision to support a rebellion against the Templars. 

 

So we know that in spite of not feeling emotion, some Tranquil can "prefer" things. 

 

I wonder if they still have preferences about things like food. I mean, they still have taste buds. They won't be place the sentimental significance we place on food though. Ask a room of chefs their favorite dish, and more than half of them cite their mother's cooking. 

 

 

BTW ::tackle hugs:: Forums are so much better with you around. 

[PsychoBlonde]

It's actually an interesting question. 

 

Tranquil don't have feelings to hurt, but they are aware of it when they're being insulted and mistreated, and they are capable of protesting that. They just aren't necessarily motivated enough to do so. 

 

The short answer is that I don't think it's rude to ask. 

 

But it does make me wonder whether some Tranquil would, if prompted, claim that it happens often enough to be an inefficient waste of time. 

 

People without emotions won't care about efficiency or wasting their time.  There are real-life people who are "effectively" Tranquil, and the people who studied them discovered that when you're "completely" rational, you can't make decisions any more.  Without emotional cues, even something as simple as "what shirt do I wear?" becomes a total deadlock.  Real-life experience completely contradicts Bioware's take on Tranquility.  Being emotionless doesn't preclude physical discomfort, after all.  Actual emotionless people are incredibly easy to distract, can't focus, and can't make decisions.

 

The Tranquil probably need someone around to tell them what to work on at all times, to pick what they eat, tell them what to wear, etc. so they don't come to a halt every 3 minutes or so when a new option pops up.

 

Alexithymia is the name for the RL condition.

[Lady Artifice]

People without emotions won't care about efficiency or wasting their time.  There are real-life people who are "effectively" Tranquil, and the people who studied them discovered that when you're "completely" rational, you can't make decisions any more.  Without emotional cues, even something as simple as "what shirt do I wear?" becomes a total deadlock.  Real-life experience completely contradicts Bioware's take on Tranquility.  Being emotionless doesn't preclude physical discomfort, after all.  Actual emotionless people are incredibly easy to distract, can't focus, and can't make decisions.

 

The Tranquil probably need someone around to tell them what to work on at all times, to pick what they eat, tell them what to wear, etc. so they don't come to a halt every 3 minutes or so when a new option pops up.

 

This is true. Fortunately for them, they're writing a fantasy setting, so they have that freedom. The right of Tranquility being magical in nature precludes a comparison to real life mental/emotional disorder. 

 

So, the fact that several of the tranquil we've met have both vocally placed value on efficiency and had a reputation for being efficient and hardworking suggests that they have significantly more personal agency than someone with a real world developmental disorder. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Bingo.

Their perfect in design, automatons capable of work and no danger to themselves or others.

[Sifr]

Owain also spoke about "preferring," certain things (namely, not dying). and that Tranquil in Asunder allowed Evangeline and Rhys to pass, clearly making a decision to support a rebellion against the Templars. 

 

So we know that in spite of not feeling emotion, some Tranquil can "prefer" things. 

 

I wonder if they still have preferences about things like food. I mean, they still have taste buds. They won't be place the sentimental significance we place on food though. Ask a room of chefs their favorite dish, and more than half of them cite their mother's cooking. 

 

 

BTW ::tackle hugs:: Forums are so much better with you around. 

 

One of things I liked in Asunder is when they mused on what might happen if a Tranquil actually felt motivated enough to "rebel" and act against the Chantry and the Circle. It was an interesting idea that I wish they'd explored more, since Pharamond's experiments did show that a Tranquil can be even more destructive to the normal people of Thedas than a mage if they wanted to be, something we saw again with Maddox in Inquisition?

 

If Sandal is indeed some kind of Tranquil, we've seen how much carnage he can cause by himself and his (Not) Enchantments, from all those corpses of pride demons, darkspawn and frozen Ogres that he seems to leave in his wake?

 

(And yeah, I've been absent this past week because my new router kept disconnecting the internet everytime I so much as looked in it's direction? Anyone got any recommendations for a decent router manufacturer that's not completely mickey mouse?)

[SardaukarElite]

I suspect asking someone who isn't tranquil whether they are would be considered pretty offensive.

[Lady Artifice]

Bingo.

Their perfect in design, automatons capable of work and no danger to themselves or others.

 

They're capable of some danger, if Maddox is any indication. 

[LightningPoodle]

No, it's not rude. The tranquil aren't people like you and I, after all.

 

Lol! Joking!   

 

 

[Sifr]

They're capable of some danger, if Maddox is any indication. 

 

And if Sandal's something similar, Bodahn mentioned he'd burned down the house twice by accident?

[Master Warder Z_]

They're capable of some danger, if Maddox is any indication.

Bah.

One rogue tranquil in what?

Six centuries?

I wish that track record extended to reality for a few things...

[Lady Artifice]

One of things I liked in Asunder is when they mused on what might happen if a Tranquil actually felt motivated enough to "rebel" and act against the Chantry and the Circle. It was an interesting idea that I wish they'd explored more, since Pharamond's experiments did show that a Tranquil can be even more destructive to the normal people of Thedas than a mage if they wanted to be, something we saw again with Maddox in Inquisition?

 

If Sandal is indeed some kind of Tranquil, we've seen how much carnage he can cause by himself and his (Not) Enchantments, from all those corpses of pride demons, darkspawn and frozen Ogres that he seems to leave in his wake?

 

(And yeah, I've been absent this past week because my new router kept disconnecting the internet everytime I so much as looked in it's direction? Anyone got any recommendations for a decent router manufacturer that's not completely mickey mouse?)

 

I've always been interested in the lore around the tranquil. It seems like a very difficult concept for the writer's to handle.

 

I don't think it's always been consistent, though. Or at least, different Tranquil react to things differently, which I suppose isn't the same as narrative inconsistencies. 

 

Helena telling Jaken she "belong's to Ser Alrik, now" in DA2 for example. Edit: There are other reasons she should have taken issue with that, beyond emotional ones. 

 

But I suppose that takes the discussion into a pretty dark place, so I should probably be cautious about following that line of thought. 

[Uccio]

Helena telling Jaken she "belong's to Ser Alrik, now" in DA2 for example. 

 

And that is why I carve the crap out of the templars in DA2. I never use the option to talk them down. Seriously heinous.

[Colonelkillabee]

Sounds like a question for an SJW,

 

Answer: Probably

[Sifr]

I've always been interested in the lore around the tranquil. It seems like a very difficult concept for the writer's to handle.

 

I don't think it's always been consistent, though. Or at least, different Tranquil react to things differently, which I suppose isn't the same as narrative inconsistencies.

 

The Tranquil have been hard to portray properly I agree, or at least pin down what they are capable or incapable of?

 

I suppose we could chalk up inconsistencies to the possibility that sometimes those who've become Tranquil might suffer from degrees of disconnect more than others, so that some fall on the bell-curve of independent thought more than others?

 

Take the Qunari's use of qamek for instance, which is like the Rite of Tranquility in many ways, but kicked into overdrive? Like the Tranquil, the people who are affected are capable of working, but unlike them, we're told that they require a constant carer to look after them because they are essentially husks, incapable of any kind of independent thought, with even their personality and memories ripped out from them?

 

Perhaps Qamek is simply the Rite done to extreme precision, whereas the Rite is less refined and precise (since it was never originally intended to be permanent), so that some Tranquil are left more lucid than others?

[Master Warder Z_]

And that is why I carve the crap out of the templars in DA2. I never use the option to talk them down. Seriously heinous.

And you call yourself a Tevinter fanboy.

Tsk

[Serza]

No, it's not rude. The tranquil aren't people like you and I, after all.

 

Lol! Joking!   

 

Sad thing is, you're actually right.

 

They've been deprived of all emotions. Someone thought it'd be a good idea to strip away most of their humanity.

[Master Warder Z_]

Sad thing is, you're actually right.

They've been deprived of all emotions. Someone thought it'd be a good idea to strip away most of their humanity.

Your right it isn't a good idea.

It's a great idea!

[Addai]

IIRC you're usually asking to confirm what they already brought up.

The Tranquil in DAI seemed a little more... alive than those in DAO. Then there were the ones who supported the rebellion. Maybe the devs are saying that the Tranquil are getting better on their own?

[Uccio]

And you call yourself a Tevinter fanboy.

Tsk

 

Hey, Magisters can have class. Raping live dolls is not class.