Thedas Barbarians
#1
Posté 10 avril 2015 - 03:19
#2
Posté 10 avril 2015 - 03:34
If you mean barbarians as in smaller societies that exist outside of the Thedassian state system, then there are a few that qualify: there are the Chasind who live in the Korcari Wilds south of Ferelden, the Clayne (some remnant of whom dwell in Ferelden's Brecilian Forest) and the Dalish elves. There are probably more in the other nations that I've forgotten about or who have not been developed yet by the DA series (which is biased towards Ferelden).
#3
Posté 10 avril 2015 - 03:48
There are also the ghost warriors who have been giving both the Tevinter and the Qunari serious trouble over the island they keep fighting over.
#4
Posté 10 avril 2015 - 03:49
The Anderfels has some scattered tribesmen too, as I recall. We haven't heard much about them other than that one of them joined the Wardens in Last Flight.
#5
Posté 10 avril 2015 - 04:08
Qunari Barbarian(scrapped idea according to Matt Rhodes)
#6
Posté 10 avril 2015 - 05:28
If you mean barbarians as in smaller societies that exist outside of the Thedassian state system, then there are a few that qualify: there are the Chasind who live in the Korcari Wilds south of Ferelden, the Clayne (some remnant of whom dwell in Ferelden's Brecilian Forest) and the Dalish elves. There are probably more in the other nations that I've forgotten about or who have not been developed yet by the DA series (which is biased towards Ferelden).
I thought the Clayne were the ancestors of the modern Fereldans, or at least, one of the tribes that banded together to form modern Ferelden?
Qunari Barbarian(scrapped idea according to Matt Rhodes)
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I suppose we could say that the Tal-Vashoth are the closest to Qunari Barbarians that we have, at least as far as the Qunari are concerned?
(Although we've also seen a lot of signs that the Tal-Vashoth might be nothing more than the result of Qunari indoctrination at work, since the Qunari instill the belief that anyone who leaves the Qun becomes a feral savage who revels in murder, which ends up convincing defectors that some that this is what they must be once they leave the Qun. In the end, this belief creating the very enemy they want to avoid still benefits the Qunari, since it reinforces the position that you should not leave?)
#7
Posté 10 avril 2015 - 01:47
I thought the Clayne were the ancestors of the modern Fereldans, or at least, one of the tribes that banded together to form modern Ferelden?
I suppose we could say that the Tal-Vashoth are the closest to Qunari Barbarians that we have, at least as far as the Qunari are concerned?
On your first comment, it's true that the Clayne were one of the tribes that formed modern Ferelden, but according to Ilen in DA:O, the Dalish routed the Clayne when the Dalish first entered Ferelden. Seeing as Ilen's father was present at the battle, this would have to have been long after the formation of Ferelden as a state (unless the Sabrae Clan have rediscovered elven immortality or something!) which leads me to believe that remnants of the Clayne continued to live outside of the Ferelden state long after its formation, perhaps living a more nomadic lifestyle in the Brecilian forest than their settled brethren.
Regarding the Qunari, the Fex are the indigenous people of Par Vollen and used to live in non-state societies but it seems that they were completely assimilated by the Qun (though I imagine their own ways of thinking have influenced the Qun).
#8
Posté 10 avril 2015 - 03:27
- Gustave Flowbert aime ceci
#9
Posté 10 avril 2015 - 04:39
Everything south of Tevinter is flea bitten subhuman barbarian scum.
Indeed my good man, well said. *raises crystal wine glass for slave to fill it*
- lordsaren101 aime ceci
#10
Posté 10 avril 2015 - 04:49
I suppose we could say that the Tal-Vashoth are the closest to Qunari Barbarians that we have, at least as far as the Qunari are concerned?
(Although we've also seen a lot of signs that the Tal-Vashoth might be nothing more than the result of Qunari indoctrination at work, since the Qunari instill the belief that anyone who leaves the Qun becomes a feral savage who revels in murder, which ends up convincing defectors that some that this is what they must be once they leave the Qun. In the end, this belief creating the very enemy they want to avoid still benefits the Qunari, since it reinforces the position that you should not leave?)
You are right. That idea is easily reinforced with characters such Armaas and Maraas; who embrace being a Tal-Vashoth. If The Iron Bull becomes Tal-Vashoth, he doesn't embrace the title, but he is clearly affected by being branded as one. But it doesn't really matter, because at the end of the day it all depends on the perspective of a particular group.
#11
Posté 10 avril 2015 - 07:53
I thought Ilen was talking about when the Dalish crossed the Frostbacks after the fall of the Dales. I don't recall the exact conversation but was he not saying that was the story his father told/taught him not that his father was actually present? The Clayne being present at the time of the fall of the Dales makes sense, since Ferelden did not exist as a nation then. This would account for why the Dalish could massacre them without any comeback. The Sabrae clan simply entering Ferelden since its creation and massacring the humans they found there would I feel elicit a response from the king even if they were only Clayne barbarians, since his subjects would be yelling for him to protect them from the hostile elves.
I've just been back to check and realise you are right; he does say his father was there. It makes no sense unless they were high up in the Frostbacks because he speaks as though there were many Clayne barbarians at the time. Yet he says it won them the right to remain in their current bit of forest because basically people feared them. Mind you we never know exactly where their clan is at that time so I suppose it could be on the foothills of the Frostbacks down south.
There are probably pockets of barbarians all over the more remote parts of Thedas; anywhere in fact where it would be too much trouble to conquer. In theory you could count the ancient elves at the Temple of Mythal as barbarians if you regard them as anyone who is not part of the major civilisations of Thedas.
#12
Posté 10 avril 2015 - 08:26
Whats their name... Those who live in the Korcari wilds? Chaisand! Oh and Ofc Dalish (They are tribes after all)
#13
Posté 10 avril 2015 - 10:21
I thought Ilen was talking about when the Dalish crossed the Frostbacks after the fall of the Dales. I don't recall the exact conversation but was he not saying that was the story his father told/taught him not that his father was actually present? The Clayne being present at the time of the fall of the Dales makes sense, since Ferelden did not exist as a nation then. This would account for why the Dalish could massacre them without any comeback. The Sabrae clan simply entering Ferelden since its creation and massacring the humans they found there would I feel elicit a response from the king even if they were only Clayne barbarians, since his subjects would be yelling for him to protect them from the hostile elves.
I've just been back to check and realise you are right; he does say his father was there. It makes no sense unless they were high up in the Frostbacks because he speaks as though there were many Clayne barbarians at the time. Yet he says it won them the right to remain in their current bit of forest because basically people feared them. Mind you we never know exactly where their clan is at that time so I suppose it could be on the foothills of the Frostbacks down south.
It could simply be that BioWare messed up with the timeline, but I still think that the Dalish encountering remnant Clayne tribes in the dense Brecilian forests or the Frostbacks is plausible as these areas are relatively untouched by the Fereldan Banns. Perhaps the Dalish were even doing the Ferelden state a favour by defeating the Clayne armies (who otherwise may have threatened the local Banns) which would explain why there was no retaliation from them.





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